On 18/02/18 16:22 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Fedora decided to use gcc as *the* compiler [1], and frankly, we have
enough trouble getting packages to compile without trying to support
more than one compiler (vide the lass mass rebuild).
Also a *lot* of core GCC devs work on Fedor
Le mardi 20 février 2018 à 09:01 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
> Le mardi 20 février 2018 à 08:44 +0100, Vít Ondruch a écrit :
> >
> > Dne 19.2.2018 v 17:16 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):
> > > redhat-rpm-config taht is needed has grown dependencies, as
> > > language
> > > specifc macros have moved
Le mardi 20 février 2018 à 08:44 +0100, Vít Ondruch a écrit :
>
> Dne 19.2.2018 v 17:16 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):
> > redhat-rpm-config taht is needed has grown dependencies, as language
> > specifc macros have moved into their own space
>
> So we removed Perl from buildroot, but there is alread
Dne 19.2.2018 v 17:16 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):
> El lun, 19-02-2018 a las 10:56 +0100, Vít Ondruch escribió:
>>
>> Dne 19.2.2018 v 00:52 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):
>>> El vie, 16-02-2018 a las 12:56 +0100, Jan Kurik escribió:
Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
https:
> "DPB" == Daniel P Berrangé writes:
DPB> I'm suggesting committing actual changes. Creating several 1000
DPB> pull requests is just as much a burden on maintainers as expecting
DPB> them to edit several 1000 specs themselves.
I welcome automatic changes to the packages I maintain, but even
El lun, 19-02-2018 a las 10:56 +0100, Vít Ondruch escribió:
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>
> Dne 19.2.2018 v 00:52 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):
> > El vie, 16-02-2018 a las 12:56 +0100, Jan Kurik escribió:
> > > Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from
On 02/16/2018 06:33 PM, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
??? Other compilers such as golang can generate ELF binaries too. The world has
moved on.
Most of these languages will still call gcc for the final link (as they
should). Calling ld directly makes very little sense and makes future
Jan Kurik wrote:
> Since beginning of Fedora, gcc (and gcc-c++) are installed in every
> buildroot. Times have changed and nowadays many of packages are not
> written in C/C++, they are written in Python, Ruby, Node.js, Go, Rust,
> OCaml, Perl and so on so they don't need to have C/C++ compiler.
>
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 07:13:19PM +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> On 2018-02-16, 17:38 GMT, Daniel P Berrangé wrote:
> > Yes, but that's likely a small % of overall and it is harmless
> > if we addd BR: gcc to a few packages which don't need it
> > - they'll be no worse off than they are today, and
Dne 19.2.2018 v 00:52 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):
> El vie, 16-02-2018 a las 12:56 +0100, Jan Kurik escribió:
>> Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
>>
>>
>> Owner(s):
>> * Igor Gnatenko
>>
>>
>> Removing gcc
Dne 16.2.2018 v 17:03 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
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> Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:54 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a):
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:22:58PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>>> $ dnf repoquery --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=rawhide --source
>>> --whatrequires 'libc.so.6*' | sort -u | sed -r 's/(.*)-.*-.*/\
El vie, 16-02-2018 a las 12:56 +0100, Jan Kurik escribió:
> Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
>
>
> Owner(s):
> * Igor Gnatenko
>
>
> Removing gcc and gcc-c++ from default buildroot in Koji and mock.
>
>
Fedora decided to use gcc as *the* compiler [1], and frankly, we have
enough trouble getting packages to compile without trying to support
more than one compiler (vide the lass mass rebuild).
What you propose: building with a different compiler, makes sense
mostly at the level of a single package.
On 16 February 2018 at 11:56, Jan Kurik wrote:
[..]
> ** List of deliverables:
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>
> * Policies and guidelines:
> Nothing needed, guidelines already have paragraph about listing all
> required BuildRequires.
As definitely proposed change will create the whole wave o
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I started rebuilding all active Fedora packages (on internal koji instance⁰).
Here are some stats:
* 20301 builds total
* 4073 builds passed
* 809 builds failed on autotools check
* 561 builds failed with command not found
* 238 builds failed on CMa
On 16/02/18 15:53, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 03:41:35PM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
[...snip...]
>> There is no simple way of doing this. Also as other thread mentioned, people
>> hate automated changes... So for this one we need every single packager to
>> fix
>> their p
De: "Daniel P. Berrangé"
>> ??? Other compilers such as golang can generate ELF binaries too. The world
>> has moved on.
> Yes, but that's likely a small % of overall and it is harmless if we
> addd BR: gcc to a few packages which don't need it - they'll be no
> worse off than they are today, a
On 2018-02-16, 17:38 GMT, Daniel P Berrangé wrote:
> Yes, but that's likely a small % of overall and it is harmless
> if we addd BR: gcc to a few packages which don't need it
> - they'll be no worse off than they are today, and it can be
> easily removed again.
By “adding BR: gcc” you mean com
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On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 14:47 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 03:41:35PM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
> > There is no simple way of doing this.
>
> grepping build logs for \bgcc\b might catch many of them?
True. Advise taken
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 06:33:02PM +0100, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
> De: "Daniel P. Berrangé"
>
> > I would think we can detect it easily enough by looking for packages which
> > contain ELF binaries. Those are going to require GCC except in the rare
> > case that it used clang,
>
> ??
De: "Daniel P. Berrangé"
> I would think we can detect it easily enough by looking for packages which
> contain ELF binaries. Those are going to require GCC except in the rare
> case that it used clang,
??? Other compilers such as golang can generate ELF binaries too. The world has
moved on.
R
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 05:01:33PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
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>
> Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:33 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a):
> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:22:58PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>
> >> Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:12 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> >>> Dne 16.2.2018 v 15:27 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a):
Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:54 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a):
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:22:58PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> $ dnf repoquery --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=rawhide --source
>> --whatrequires 'libc.so.6*' | sort -u | sed -r 's/(.*)-.*-.*/\1/' | uniq
>> | wc -l
>> 8559
> I think you're just
Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:33 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a):
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:22:58PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>>
>> Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:12 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>>> Dne 16.2.2018 v 15:27 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a):
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> Propo
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:22:58PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> $ dnf repoquery --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=rawhide --source
> --whatrequires 'libc.so.6*' | sort -u | sed -r 's/(.*)-.*-.*/\1/' | uniq
> | wc -l
> 8559
I think you're just measuring what packages contain binaries, rather
than what pa
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:22:58PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
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>
> Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:12 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
> >
> > Dne 16.2.2018 v 15:27 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a):
> >> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> >>> Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
Dne 16.2.2018 v 16:12 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>
> Dne 16.2.2018 v 15:27 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a):
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
>>> Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
>>>
>>
Dne 16.2.2018 v 15:27 Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a):
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
>> Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
>>
>>
>> Owner(s):
>> * Igor Gnatenko
>>
>>
>> Removing
On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 15:41 +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 14:27 +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > > Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 03:41:35PM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
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> On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 14:27 +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > > Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from Buil
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 03:41:35PM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
> There is no simple way of doing this.
grepping build logs for \bgcc\b might catch many of them?
Rich.
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On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 14:27 +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
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On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 14:15 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > written in C/C++, they are written in Python, Ruby, Node.js, Go, Rust,
> > OCaml, Perl and so on so they don't need to have
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
>
>
> Owner(s):
> * Igor Gnatenko
>
>
> Removing gcc and gcc-c++ from default buildroot in Koji and mock.
>
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:56:32PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> written in C/C++, they are written in Python, Ruby, Node.js, Go, Rust,
> OCaml, Perl and so on so they don't need to have C/C++ compiler.
OCaml is probably a bad example as it uses gcc as wrapper around gas
and ld to perform the assembly
Love that. Thank you for pushing this forward!
V.
Dne 16.2.2018 v 12:56 Jan Kurik napsal(a):
> Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
>
>
> Owner(s):
> * Igor Gnatenko
>
>
> Removing gcc and gcc-c++ from defau
Proposed System Wide Change: Remove GCC from BuildRoot
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
Owner(s):
* Igor Gnatenko
Removing gcc and gcc-c++ from default buildroot in Koji and mock.
== Detailed description ==
Since beginning of Fedora, gcc (and gcc-c++) are i
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