Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 02/22/2017 09:37 AM, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 14:29 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Tested Fedora 24 and Fedora 23, there's no notification with either > one of those. I have no idea if this is a VM thing. Or

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/22/2017 09:37 AM, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 14:29 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: Tested Fedora 24 and Fedora 23, there's no notification with either one of those. I have no idea if this is a VM thing. Or if it's a regression. Maybe the notification was depending on smart

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-22 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 12:32 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Vratislav Podzimek > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 12:25 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Actually, I've got a concern about this feature. > > > > > > I'm not sure what gnome-shell depends on

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-22 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 14:29 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > Tested Fedora 24 and Fedora 23, there's no notification with either > one of those. I have no idea if this is a VM thing. Or if it's a > regression. > > Maybe the notification was depending on smartd rather than mdadm. > Kinda need someone w

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-22 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 07:52 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Vratislav Podzimek said: > > > > On Tue, 2017-02-07 at 14:50 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > My opinion of the change is limited to whether gnome-shell will still > > > notify the user of device failures; if not, or

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Chris Murphy
Tested Fedora 24 and Fedora 23, there's no notification with either one of those. I have no idea if this is a VM thing. Or if it's a regression. Maybe the notification was depending on smartd rather than mdadm. Kinda need someone who knows more about how GNOME Shell handles faulty devices - how it

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: > On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 12:25 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Actually, I've got a concern about this feature. >> >> I'm not sure what gnome-shell depends on for monitoring mdadm arrays, >> but I know it will put up a notification if an mdad

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Vratislav Podzimek said: > On Tue, 2017-02-07 at 14:50 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > My opinion of the change is limited to whether gnome-shell will still > > notify the user of device failures; if not, or if unknown then I think > > the change should be rejected as lack of devi

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 14:28 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > I would like the "User Experience" section to be fleshed-out a bit > more. Currently it says "There should be no visible change for > non-expert users. Expert users could make use of the new LVM RAID's > features."  > > I think, though, th

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 15:52 -0400, Robert Marcano wrote: > On 01/31/2017 03:44 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > > > > Also: does this apply to /boot partition RAID 1?  IIRC that didn't work > > with LVM RAID at one time. > > > > This is important, that mdraid is still available in anaconda and not 

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 13:44 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said: > > > > I would like the "User Experience" section to be fleshed-out a bit > > more. Currently it says "There should be no visible change for > > non-expert users. Expert users could make use of the new

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 07:05 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2017 6:34 AM, "Chris Adams" wrote: > Once upon a time, Jan Kurik said: > > LVM RAID provides same functionality as MD > > RAID (it shares the same kernel code) with better flexibility and > > additional features expect

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 12:25 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > Actually, I've got a concern about this feature. > > I'm not sure what gnome-shell depends on for monitoring mdadm arrays, > but I know it will put up a notification if an mdadm member becomes > faulty; because I've seen this notification. M

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 08:33 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Jan Kurik said: > > > > LVM RAID provides same functionality as MD > > RAID (it shares the same kernel code) with better flexibility and > > additional features expected in future. > > How do LVM RAID volumes get tested?  

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-21 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Tue, 2017-02-07 at 14:50 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > My opinion of the change is limited to whether gnome-shell will still > notify the user of device failures; if not, or if unknown then I think > the change should be rejected as lack of device failure notifications > in the DE is a regression

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-07 Thread Chris Murphy
My opinion of the change is limited to whether gnome-shell will still notify the user of device failures; if not, or if unknown then I think the change should be rejected as lack of device failure notifications in the DE is a regression that outweighs the benefit. It's Chris Murphy __

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 12:27:20 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 01/31/2017 12:02 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Chris Adams > > wrote: > >> How do LVM RAID volumes get tested? There's a regular cron job for > >> testing MD RAID volumes, but I'm not aware of something l

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Stone
On 02/07/2017 12:27 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 01/31/2017 12:02 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Chris Adams wrote: >>> How do LVM RAID volumes get tested? There's a regular cron job for >>> testing MD RAID volumes, but I'm not aware of something like that for >>> LVM

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-07 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 01/31/2017 12:02 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Chris Adams wrote: How do LVM RAID volumes get tested? There's a regular cron job for testing MD RAID volumes, but I'm not aware of something like that for LVM RAID. I'm not aware of an upstream cron job for this; n

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-07 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/06/2017 03:16 AM, den...@ausil.us wrote: Fedup has not existed for a few releases now. The upgrades are handled by dnf alone. Yes, but the command does still exist as a functional alias. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org T

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-06 Thread dennis
On 2 February 2017 9:06:32 pm GMT+00:00, Chris Murphy wrote: >On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:38 AM, David Woodhouse >wrote: > >> I'm not sure the upgrade method matters, does it? In both cases I >think >> it was changes to dracut and the way raid was assembled (perhaps >moving >> from automatically

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:38 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > I'm not sure the upgrade method matters, does it? In both cases I think > it was changes to dracut and the way raid was assembled (perhaps moving > from automatically in the kernel to doing it in userspace, or vice > versa). The upgrade me

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-02 Thread David Woodhouse
Please don't drop me from Cc when replying. I know the list has a misguided setup, but mailers can be configured to ignore that. Thanks. http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 12:13 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:55 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > >

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-01 Thread Chris Murphy
Actually, I've got a concern about this feature. I'm not sure what gnome-shell depends on for monitoring mdadm arrays, but I know it will put up a notification if an mdadm member becomes faulty; because I've seen this notification. Maybe it's getting this information from udisksd? In any case, I'm

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:55 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > > Please ensure upgrades of systems using MD RAID are properly tested. Please help test upgrades if there's a layout you want to work. The only way anything gets tested is if someone does the test. > My server at home broke on upgrading

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-02-01 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 13:13 +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaLVMRAID > > Change owner(s): > * Vratislav Podzimek (Anaconda/Blivet) > * Heinz Mauelshagen (LVM) > > Use LVM RAID instead of LVM of top o

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: > On 01/31/2017 03:44 PM, Chris Adams wrote: >> >> >> Also: does this apply to /boot partition RAID 1? IIRC that didn't work >> with LVM RAID at one time. >> > > This is important, that mdraid is still available in anaconda and not > entirel

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > I'd like to see (a link to) a more comprehensive discussion of the > purported advantages of LVM RAID over LVM on MD RAID here. If the user never interacts with the storage stack, it's a wash. Otherwise, the advantage is R

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread David Lehman
On Tue, 2017-01-31 at 15:52 -0400, Robert Marcano wrote: > On 01/31/2017 03:44 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > > Also: does this apply to /boot partition RAID 1?  IIRC that didn't > > work > > with LVM RAID at one time. > > > > This is important, that mdraid is still available in anaconda and > not

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Robert Marcano
On 01/31/2017 03:44 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Also: does this apply to /boot partition RAID 1? IIRC that didn't work with LVM RAID at one time. This is important, that mdraid is still available in anaconda and not entirely replaced by LVM RAID. Not only /boot partition but UEFI boot partition

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said: > I would like the "User Experience" section to be fleshed-out a bit > more. Currently it says "There should be no visible change for > non-expert users. Expert users could make use of the new LVM RAID's > features." At a minimum, it would be nice to have a

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Matthew Miller
I would like the "User Experience" section to be fleshed-out a bit more. Currently it says "There should be no visible change for non-expert users. Expert users could make use of the new LVM RAID's features." I think, though, there's plenty of middle ground here: users who are not experts in LVM

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Jan 31, 2017 6:34 AM, "Chris Adams" wrote: Once upon a time, Jan Kurik said: > LVM RAID provides same functionality as MD > RAID (it shares the same kernel code) with better flexibility and > additional features expected in future. How do LVM RAID volumes get tested? There's a regular cron

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jan Kurik said: > LVM RAID provides same functionality as MD > RAID (it shares the same kernel code) with better flexibility and > additional features expected in future. How do LVM RAID volumes get tested? There's a regular cron job for testing MD RAID volumes, but I'm not awa

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Tuesday, 31 January 2017 at 13:13, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaLVMRAID > > Change owner(s): > * Vratislav Podzimek (Anaconda/Blivet) > * Heinz Mauelshagen (LVM) > > Use LVM RAID instead of LVM of to

F26 Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID

2017-01-31 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Anaconda LVM RAID = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaLVMRAID Change owner(s): * Vratislav Podzimek (Anaconda/Blivet) * Heinz Mauelshagen (LVM) Use LVM RAID instead of LVM of top of MD RAID in the Anaconda installer. == Detailed Description == In