Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 07:02 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to > > > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in > > > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to > > > see yo

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 07:02 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to > > > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in > > > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to > > > see yo

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 July 2013 16:07, Jan Zelený wrote: > Another > option would be to make the new PK (or just the backend if possible) optional > for now and make it default together with dnf replacing yum. However I > strongly suspect that neither of these two proposals are acceptable for > Richard. Well, al

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Kamil Paral wrote: >> > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to >> > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in >> > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to >> > see your si

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Kamil Paral
> > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to > > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in > > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to > > see your sign off for this change and state this too there. > > Wel

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-15 Thread Jan Zelený
On 15. 7. 2013 at 07:47:06, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - > > > > Yes, if you want to put it that way. We want to use a backend that can > > > supported the desired user experience. > > > > > > The hawkey stack is groomed to replace yum anyway. All we're asking is > > > th

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-15 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Adam Williamson píše v St 10. 07. 2013 v 14:35 -0700: > On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:51 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:02:24 +0200 > > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInsta

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-15 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > > Yes, if you want to put it that way. We want to use a backend that can > > supported the desired user experience. > > > > The hawkey stack is groomed to replace yum anyway. All we're asking is > > that we can use it early, so we can provide the testing exposure the

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-15 Thread Jan Zelený
On 12. 7. 2013 at 11:33:19, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > I haven't seen Toshio's mail, so I apologize for possible redundancy: > Yeah, sorry, I got caught in the replying-to-docs-list trap. here's > what I had written (mostly the same as you

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-15 Thread Jan Zelený
On 11. 7. 2013 at 12:59:42, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:38 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > >> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > >> > > >> To improve some problematic aspects of the updates

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > I haven't seen Toshio's mail, so I apologize for possible redundancy: > Yeah, sorry, I got caught in the replying-to-docs-list trap. here's what I had written (mostly the same as you but I also flagged things that I thought could push this

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:46 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > > Policies and guidelines: > > * No immediate changes needed; longer-term, we probably want to make changes > > to way applications are distributed and installed > > * The update experience will also benefit from proposed changes to ba

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:38 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > >> To improve some problematic aspects of the updates user experience > >> (long waits, locks), we will use the new h

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > Release engineering: > > * Make metadata available for packaged applications in Fedora (screenshots, > > icons, ratings,...). Not all of this needs to be in place for F20 > > > > Policies and guidelines: > > * No immediate changes needed; longer-term, we pr

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-11 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > == Scope == > Other developers: > * Use gnome-software instead of gpk-update-viewer when dealing with updates in > gnome-se

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-11 Thread Miloslav Trmač
>> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller >> To improve some problematic aspects of the updates user experience >> (long waits, locks), we will use the new hawkey backend for >> PackageKit. > (echo issue with a different bac

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:51 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:02:24 +0200 > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > > > Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with > >

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 13:02 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with the > desktop team > > We will replace the existing gnome-packagekit fro

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:51 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:02:24 +0200 > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > > > Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with > >

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:02:24 +0200 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with > the desktop team > > We will replace the existing gnome-packagekit fr

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 11:12 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > > > Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with the > > desktop tea

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with the > desktop team > > We will replace the existing gnome-packagekit frontends (gpk-up

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Pete Travis
On Jul 10, 2013 5:25 AM, "Jaroslav Reznik" wrote: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with the > desktop team > > We will replace the existing gnome-packagekit frontends (

F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-10 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller Change owner(s): Richard Hughes , together with the desktop team We will replace the existing gnome-packagekit frontends (gpk-update-viewer and gpk-application) by a new application.