Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-18 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:23:13AM -0400, Mohan Boddu wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:38 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:11 PM Mohan Boddu wrote: > >> > >> Peter and I talked about it a while ago about merging IoT into regular > >> Fedora composes. But we never got to

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-18 Thread Mohan Boddu
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:38 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:11 PM Mohan Boddu wrote: >> >> Peter and I talked about it a while ago about merging IoT into regular >> Fedora composes. But we never got to that point. I am not sure whats >> their plan moving forward. My idea is

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:11 PM Mohan Boddu wrote: > Peter and I talked about it a while ago about merging IoT into regular > Fedora composes. But we never got to that point. I am not sure whats > their plan moving forward. My idea is to merge them together and keep > their composes as it is for

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-18 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 18. 03. 20 0:31, Adam Williamson wrote: The idea that IoT and/or CoreOS would be release-blocking editions (for Fedora 30, initially, then 31, now 32...) has been - at least, this is my experience and my memory - sort of floating around for months/years, but aside from that one fairly rough do

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:32 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > The trigger for this line of thinking was this comment I ran across > this morning: > > https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1166100-fedora-32-beta-released-with-earlyoom-by-default-gnome-3-36-desktop?p=1

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2020-03-17 at 22:24 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 17. 03. 20 19:01, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Some specific ideas: FESCo and/or the Council should be taking a > > stronger lead here. > > What is your idea of FESCo stronger lead here? > > I just want to say that for the past year at FES

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 17. 03. 20 19:01, Adam Williamson wrote: Some specific ideas: FESCo and/or the Council should be taking a stronger lead here. What is your idea of FESCo stronger lead here? I just want to say that for the past year at FESCo, I got a strong impression that we heavily really on what Fedora P

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Mohan Boddu
Thanks Adam for bringing this up, I don't want to give big explanations on the topics, but I just want to mention a few things here: On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:01 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > So, today is the Fedora 32 Beta release date. If you examine the > release announcement: > > https://fedo

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Dusty Mabe
On 3/17/20 2:01 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hey Adam, > > 3) CoreOS - CoreOS is just a *whole* other thing. It is not built like > the rest of Fedora at all. It's not built as Pungi composes, whatever > compose process it does have doesn't run alongside our other compose > processes or output

Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Ben Cotton
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:01 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > (many, many words. All of which are reasonable) > I, too, have been a little frustrated with the state of Silverblue and CoreOS. It's not clear to me how much they're supposed to be a part of the normal Fedora release process and how much

Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy

2020-03-17 Thread Adam Williamson
So, today is the Fedora 32 Beta release date. If you examine the release announcement: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-the-release-of-fedora-32-beta/ and the current state of the download site: https://getfedora.org/ there are three fairly significant things entirely missing. Those three