Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > Just as a general note on this thread: if you're a packager and you > > have a genuine reason why people should be careful about touching your > > package, or follow some

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-29 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Just as a general note on this thread: if you're a packager and you > have a genuine reason why people should be careful about touching your > package, or follow some specific process when doing so, or there's > something that people might

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-29 Thread Pavel Alexeev
ubject: Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:24:37PM -0500, Rob Crittenden wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:08:24PM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: After some IRC discussion I've come to the following proposal: that maintainer

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 07:19:13AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > But this could still be a great feature, provided we extend the service > to non-provenpackagers. If any old Joe could offer submit requests to > packages, as is already the case in openSUSE, that would be huge in > terms of build

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-19 Thread Christopher
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 11/18/2015 02:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> Just as a general note on this thread: if you're a packager and you >> have a genuine reason why people should be careful about touching your >> package, or follow some specific process w

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-19 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 11/18/2015 02:49 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Just as a general note on this thread: if you're a packager and you have a genuine reason why people should be careful about touching your package, or follow some specific process when doing so, or there's something that people might think they shoul

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2015-11-19 at 11:06 +0100, Martin Kolman wrote: > We could have a mechanism that stages the change and notifies the > maintainer (eq. asks first automatically) and gives him the option to > apply the change or cancel it & do it properly themselves. At this point we are overengineering. It'

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-19 Thread Tomas Mraz
November, 2015 7:05:57 AM > > > Subject: Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:24:37PM -0500, Rob Crittenden wrote: > > > > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:0

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-19 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:23:09 -0500, Rob Crittenden wrote: > I also wonder if I revert a provenpackager change, is that the end of > it? Who is the arbiter in this case if not? It would be necessary to understand why there's disagreement about how to package something. Has there been contact betwe

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-19 Thread Martin Kolman
On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 16:39 -0500, David Airlie wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Brian C. Lane" > > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2015 7:05:57 AM > > Subject: Re: Dealing with the "my packages&qu

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "BCL" == Brian C Lane writes: BCL> I don't think we need a technical solution, we just need the people BCL> who feel the need to modify packages they aren't normally involved BCL> with to ask first. It doesn't matter how simple or complicated the BCL> change is, just be polite. I disagree.

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Rob Crittenden
David Airlie wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> From: "Brian C. Lane" >> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2015 7:05:57 AM >> Subject: Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem >> >&g

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 10:04 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:08:24PM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > After some IRC discussion I've come to the following proposal: that > > maintainers have some way to easily indicate how open they are to > > external contributions. 

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread David Airlie
- Original Message - > From: "Brian C. Lane" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2015 7:05:57 AM > Subject: Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:24:37PM -0500, Rob Crittenden wro

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Nov 18, 2015 14:06, "Brian C. Lane" wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:24:37PM -0500, Rob Crittenden wrote: > > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:08:24PM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > >> After some IRC discussion I've come to the following proposal: that > > >>

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:24:37PM -0500, Rob Crittenden wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:08:24PM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >> After some IRC discussion I've come to the following proposal: that > >> maintainers have some way to easily indicate how open they

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Rob Crittenden
Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:08:24PM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> After some IRC discussion I've come to the following proposal: that >> maintainers have some way to easily indicate how open they are to >> external contributions. Basically this would take the form of

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:08:24PM -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > After some IRC discussion I've come to the following proposal: that > maintainers have some way to easily indicate how open they are to > external contributions. Basically this would take the form of a few > options in pkgdb w

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-18 Thread Haïkel
2015-11-18 1:08 GMT+01:00 Jason L Tibbitts III : > tl; dr: I have submitted the following RFE for pkgdb: > https://github.com/fedora-infra/pkgdb2/issues/274 > Please add comments there if you have any. > > I know I'm not the only provenpackager to have applied a bugfix to > someone's package only

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 19:21 -0500, David Airlie wrote: > > > Maybe by renaming package maintainers to something like caretakers we could > start changing the way people who maintain packages view their positions. We actually already did that, but people haven't taken much notice. If you look in p

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "DA" == David Airlie writes: DA> This seems like a crappy technical solution to a social problem. I don't know; it seems to be more discoverable than the current state, where either you just commit and hope. And yeah, I'm relatively thick skinned but I still don't like to get flamed by a

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread David Airlie
> > tl; dr: I have submitted the following RFE for pkgdb: > https://github.com/fedora-infra/pkgdb2/issues/274 > Please add comments there if you have any. > > I know I'm not the only provenpackager to have applied a bugfix to > someone's package only to be yelled at it for it. Some maintainers

Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
tl; dr: I have submitted the following RFE for pkgdb: https://github.com/fedora-infra/pkgdb2/issues/274 Please add comments there if you have any. I know I'm not the only provenpackager to have applied a bugfix to someone's package only to be yelled at it for it. Some maintainers are more prick