Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-18 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:15 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 6:42 AM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > Linux is about choices > > No it isn't: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html > > (I do disagree with Kevin though). > --

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 06:42:45AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) > > based smartphone: > > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/14/2012 07:57 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to defeat ARM just like it defeated all the previous attempts at changing the instruction set, even Intel's own IA-64. The fastest x86 CPUs are still worlds faster than the fastest ARM C

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-15 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/14/2012 07:57 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Hi, I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) based smartphone: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego-review/ So even smartphones are going x86 now. It's probably best not to extrapolate the extent of a

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-15 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Hi, > > I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 > (Atom) > based smartphone: > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego-review/ > > So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to > defeat > ARM just like i

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-15 Thread Simone Caronni
On 15 June 2012 01:57, Kevin Kofler wrote: > So I would urge Fedora not to waste our time on a low-end architecture > filling a temporary niche which will become obsolete as demand for > performance increases. We should rather support only one primary > architecture (x86, i.e.: x86_64, and legacy

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-15 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 01:57:18AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> So I would urge Fedora not to waste our time on a low-end architecture >> filling a temporary niche which will become obsolete as demand for >> performance increases. We sho

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-15 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hi, > > I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) > based smartphone: > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego-review/ > > So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to defe

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-15 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 6:42 AM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > > [...] > > Linux is about choices No it isn't: http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html (I do disagree with Kevin though). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedora

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-14 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Kevin Kofler [15/06/2012 06:48] : > > I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) > based smartphone: > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego-review/ Moorestown has been around since 2010 and several vendors have made phones using it. None of these h

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-14 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hi, > > I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) > based smartphone: > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego-review/ > > So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to defea

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-14 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hi, > > I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) > based smartphone: > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego-review/ > > So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to defea

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to defeat > ARM just like it defeated all the previous attempts at changing the > instruction set, even Intel's own IA-64. The fastest x86 CPUs are still > worlds faster than the fastest ARM

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 01:57:18AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > So I would urge Fedora not to waste our time on a low-end architecture > filling a temporary niche which will become obsolete as demand for > performance increases. We should rather support only one primary > architecture (x86, i.e

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-14 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Kevin Kofler wrote: So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to defeat ARM just like it defeated all the previous attempts at changing the instruction set, even Intel's own IA-64. The fastest x86 CPUs are still worlds faster than the fastest ARM CPUs

ARM is a dead end

2012-06-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Hi, I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) based smartphone: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego-review/ So even smartphones are going x86 now. It looks like x86 is going to defeat ARM just like it defeated all the previous attempts at changin