On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 03:06:17PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > Unfortunately, real world RPMs that install into /opt also have e.g. log
> > files in /opt/somesoftware/log, not /var/log/somesoftware. So it can't be
> > underneath the read-only /usr mount. This is why rpm-ostree just straight
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 2:40 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 6:07 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> > > Is /usr/etc something that could be a thing Fedora wide? The way
> > > rpm-ostree does it, it's making a copy of /etc and does a three way
> > > merge so you get updated conf
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 6:07 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> > Is /usr/etc something that could be a thing Fedora wide? The way
> > rpm-ostree does it, it's making a copy of /etc and does a three way
> > merge so you get updated config file defaults. But without that logic
> > available, is it bon
> Is /usr/etc something that could be a thing Fedora wide? The way
> rpm-ostree does it, it's making a copy of /etc and does a three way
> merge so you get updated config file defaults. But without that logic
> available, is it bonkers to consider applications learning to look to
> look first in /e
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:03 AM Colin Walters wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, at 4:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >> Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a version
> >> matched /opt, or can there
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:07 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
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> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a version
> > matched /opt, or can there be mix and match revisions of /usr and
> > /opt?
>
> We have thr
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 04:20:31PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
>
> > Traditionally, packages installed all kinds of files all over the place.
> > But we're slowly and painfully moving towards the model where:
> > 1. packages are only allowed to install under /usr,
* Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
> Traditionally, packages installed all kinds of files all over the place.
> But we're slowly and painfully moving towards the model where:
> 1. packages are only allowed to install under /usr, /var, and /etc.
>(Or under /opt, but I'd want to move that to /usr/op
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, at 4:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a version
>> matched /opt, or can there be mix and match revisions of /usr and
>> /opt?
>
> We have three
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, at 4:24 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
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> Oh, right. More hidden agenda behind this thing. When looking at it with
> these glasses on, it explains quite a few things about the change
> proposal, such as completely ignoring the fact that nearly all packages
> put something i
This is a bit of tangent, but if I am not mistaken, I can create RPMs to
manage content of my home directory. How folks envision this would work
in the context of this proposal? But I also wonder if this is something
considered by e.g. systemd-homed.
I am asking this question, because move of
On 1/12/22 11:53, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:24:49AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On 1/12/22 11:05, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a ver
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:24:49AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 1/12/22 11:05, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >>Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a version
> >>matched /opt, or can there be mix and ma
On 1/12/22 11:05, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a version
matched /opt, or can there be mix and match revisions of /usr and
/opt?
We have three similar locations: /usr (sy
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a version
> matched /opt, or can there be mix and match revisions of /usr and
> /opt?
We have three similar locations: /usr (system vendor tree),
/usr/local (admin non-packages
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