Some orphaned packages

As some of you may know from flock or following the FPC meeting minutes, I'm taking a break from Fedora. As part of that, I've reassigned most of my packages to others that can care for them. A few packages don't have obvious owners (mostly in specific branches) So I've orphaned them. If you'd

Re: Brokenness in newly created dist-git repositories

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 08:31:50PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > OK I see in the final comment there is a hang reported. I would still > be interested in whether anyone else can reproduce the bug on the > specific two repos: ocaml-camlp4 & ocaml-labltk. > Yep, I can reproduce on those two

Re: Brokenness in newly created dist-git repositories

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 08:11:30PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Two new packages/repositories have been created for me recently. > Both appear to be broken in a subtle, non-fatal way: > > $ fedpkg clone ocaml-camlp4 > $ cd ocaml-camlp4/ > $ fedpkg verrel > Exception AttributeError

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-07-10 16:00 UTC)

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:31 PM, James Antill wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC > meeting Thursday at 2014-07-10 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on > irc.freenode.net. > > > For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The > report of t

Re: [Env and Stack WG] cancelled meeting

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 03:38:32PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 06/16/2014 06:40 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:52:18PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > >>Meetings will be cancelled until we have some topics to discuss. If > >>you ha

Re: Cross-distro fossology instance?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:01:09AM +0200, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone was considering cross-distribution fossology[1] > instance where we could share burden of license review with other > distros. I know at least Debian does comprehensive license reviews and > we coul

Re: [Env and Stack WG] cancelled meeting

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:52:18PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > Meetings will be cancelled until we have some topics to discuss. If > you have something, please let us know on mailing list: > env-and-sta...@lists.fedoraproject.org > On item for a meeting agenda would be finding replacement me

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:35:16AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to > > this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, > > e-mail me

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-06-11 17:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

This Weeks FESCo Meeting: Cancelled

Sorry for the late notification. I took a look at making an agenda for this week and saw that we only have a few tickets to look at and all of them are pending input from various other people so I'm cancelling the meeting. That's two week's in a row so plan on having a meeting next week. We shou

Re: Fwd: Ophaning lcms(1)

https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/lcms/bugs/all lists a CVE. If lcms-11 is no longer going to be maintained in Fedora that (and any other) security flaws won't be addressed. It's therefore advisable for them to update to the new version of lcms if feasible. The affected packager would like

Re: Fwd: Ophaning lcms(1)

On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 10:39:56PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > python-pillow-2.2.1-4.fc20.src.rpm > This one can be fixed by upgrading to 2.3.0 (or greater. 2.4.0 is current). 2.4.0 is what's in rawhide. Not sure if that's safe to push back to f20 and earlier. (Although I see that there's an

Re: Packaging: bin subfolder

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:56:02PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: > > >>binaries and python scripts to the /usr/bin/salome folder. Is this > >>acceptable? > > I believe a symbolic link should be acceptable. Actually creating a subdir > >would probably have a lot of opposition, but it should be possib

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-05-29 16:00 UTC)

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 05:30:12PM -0400, James Antill wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC > meeting Thursday at 2014-05-29 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on > irc.freenode.net. > > Local time information (via. rktime): > > 2014-05-29 09:00 Thu US/Pacific

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-05-28)

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:06:03AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:05:10AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > This ticket appears to be resolved on Trac. Shall we just cancel the > > meeting this week? > > I was trying to think of something inflammatory, but I don't thin

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-05-28)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-05-28 17:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Re: Fwd: git commit Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 08:35:27PM -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > On Thursday, May 15, 2014, 12:42:25 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > More fallout from pkgdb2? > Yeah. The script that updates the package email aliases was still pointing at the staging instance (for testing). So it wasn't picking up

Re: Attempting to contact three unresponsive maintainers

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 03:57:24PM +0530, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:11:47AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for three package > > maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unrespons

Re: Attempting to contact three unresponsive maintainers

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 01:30:27PM +0200, Ondrej Vasik wrote: > > If you don't find any contact for llim, feel free to reassign redhat-lsb > to me - I'm monitoring the bugzillas of redhat-lsb package anyway and > I'm the owner in RHEL. We discussed with Lawrence transfer even in > Fedora, but it n

Re: Incorrect order of /usr/bin and /usr/sbin in path

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 10:38:10PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 05/05/2014 10:28 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 04:24:03PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > >> It causes pointless configure and Makefile complications in every single > >> upstream project that wants to instal

Re: EPEL Python 3.4 for 7

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 09:13:12PM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 04/26/2014 06:55 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > On Apr 26, 2014 11:37 AM, "Orion Poplawski" > <mailto:or...@cora.nwra.com>> wrote: > > > >> One interesting change from

Re: EPEL Python 3.4 for 7

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Aaron Knister wrote: > I think it's a little unrealistic to expect the vendor to namespace their > packages although it would be nice and probably the right thing to do. > If you buy from Red Hat, you should complain to them. That might have more effect th

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

On Apr 28, 2014 5:01 PM, "Daniel J Walsh" wrote: > > The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a > unit file and want systemctl reload to happen. Would removing the requires on systemd and doing: /usr/bin/systemctl reload ||: Work for these cases? -Toshio -- devel mai

Re: F21 System Wide Change: SCL

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 04:35:25PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2014-04-14 14:13 GMT+02:00 Jaroslav Reznik : > > 2. Upload packages into git - specific branch based on Fedora version and > name > of collection. For stable repo we must be able to replicate builds from > git > rep

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-04-17 16:00 UTC)

I won't be present again this week (or next) but I did vote on a few tickets. Hopefully that will help with meeting, discussing, and voting. -Toshio pgpKd0BmNZ4y9.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Python 3 and mod_wsgi

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:54:33PM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > ━━━ > > I naively ported my Django app to Python 3 and didn't realize WSGI was > going to be an issue. I saw python3-django was available for Fedo

Re: Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-08)

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 01:26:23PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 06:02:02AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > not sure that the ruby scl should have its own change. It needs to have > > FWIW, I'm happy to have a distinct change because I want to ca

Re: Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-08)

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 04:16:58PM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 04/08/2014 03:02 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > >not sure that the ruby scl should have its own change. It needs to have > >the equivalent filed for the fpc to evaluate, though. > >https://fedorap

Re: Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-08)

On Apr 7, 2014 10:28 AM, "Marcela Mašláňová" wrote: > > WG meeting will be at 16:00 UTC, 17:00 Central Europe, 12:00 (noon) Boston, 9:00 San Francisco, 1:00 Tokyo in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. > > == Topic == > I sent three Change proposals. If you have any comments, please share them. > * https

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:48:03AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 07:26:59PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:47:11PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > > > > > I think the "right" way to move fo

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:47:11PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > I think the "right" way to move forward is to make a library that is at > least API-compatible with the current libbz2.so.1, make all the tools > use it, and just replace bzip2 with lbzip2. > Although I'm still on the fence about whe

Re: Meeting minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-01)

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > * Open Questions - Playground: Signing (mmaslano, 12:04:12) > I saw that this got voted on in the meeting even though it didn't get recorded as such for the meeting minutes. The proposal seemed to be: use obs-sign to sign packages. Th

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-04-03 16:00 UTC) (post DST change UTC time)

On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 04:20:16PM -0400, James Antill wrote: > > (too big to fail vote?) > #topic #391 Exception for bundled libraries in icecat > .fpc 391 > https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/391 > Yep, there's four separate new exception criteria posted on: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Attempting to contact three unresponsive maintainers

Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for three package maintainers are no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested in maintaining their packages (and if so, have them update their email addresses in FAS). If they're not

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-03-27 17:00 UTC) (next week back to 16:00 UTC)

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 09:45:14PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2014-03-26 20:51 GMT+01:00 James Antill : > > (approval and retirement sections already passed, /opt exception passed) > > #topic #339 software collections in Fedora > > .fpc 339 > > https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/339 > > I

Re: Let's close the remaining merge reviews

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 04:41:29PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > > An alternative would be to reassign every open merge review to the component > in question, and let maintainers handle it as they like. > > Thoughts? > Alternative idea -- maybe identify all packages which are not ciritcal and ha

Re: python packages versus pydoc -k

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 09:11:12AM -0700, Josh Stone wrote: > On 03/12/2014 06:12 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:18:17PM -0700, Josh Stone wrote: > >> Of course, these are just the first exceptions I hit. Experience shows > >> that fixing

Re: python packages versus pydoc -k

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:18:17PM -0700, Josh Stone wrote: > Do we have any packaging requirements or guidelines for python modules > to behave nicely with pydoc? I've seen this break a number of times, > and sometimes the bugs I've filed have been fixed, sometimes ignored. > Before I go through

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 03:16:31PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > The idea is to allow config file divergence via the alternatives system as > > Will this handle user customization? IME alternatives is not geared to

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

On Mar 10, 2014 11:09 AM, "Matthew Miller" wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:09:43AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > What will fedup updates of Fedora 20 look like? Would there be a flag, > > > e.g. --product cloud/workstation/server? If not specifi

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:08:40PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:00:25 -0700 > Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > Perhaps spins should also specify a product identifier. Maybe they > > could have the ability to specify an existing products' identifie

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

On Mar 10, 2014 10:22 AM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 10:09:43 -0700 > Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > What will fedup updates of Fedora 20 look like? Would there be a > > > flag, e.g. --product cloud/workstation/server? If not specified

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:40:29AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > At last week's FESCo meeting, the fact that Products desired to have > > divergent configuration was briefly touched on. On Thursday, a

Per-Product Config file divergence

At last week's FESCo meeting, the fact that Products desired to have divergent configuration was briefly touched on. On Thursday, a few FPC members had a brainstorming session about it and on Friday, sgallagh and that brainstorming continued with sgallagh, adamw, tflink, notting, and myself. We c

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

On Mar 9, 2014 7:49 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > Directory and file interaction is a hard problem. There's no right thing > > to do in this case. The many possible things we could do all have one > > drawback or another in cert

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

On Mar 8, 2014 11:57 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Tom Callaway wrote: > > > Changes to python-setuptools in F20 cause easy_install to install egg > > files instead of egg directories by default. This sometimes causes > > problems for rpms of multi-version python modules as the egg filenames > > a

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

On Mar 8, 2014 11:57 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Tom Callaway wrote: > > The prohibition against packages installing files into /bin, /sbin, > > /lib, and /lib4 has been removed and a section explaining how Fedora's > > UsrMove? feature interacts with the rpm %files section has been added. > >

Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-03-03)

On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:23:28PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > * additional repository - Playground requirements (mmaslano, 13:03:05) > * how do updates work (rolling? bodhi? Will we constantly be > regenerating the repodata [like the rawhide build repo?]) > (mmaslano, 13:07:16)

Re: F21 System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy

On Feb 27, 2014 8:25 AM, "Jaroslav Reznik" wrote: > > = Proposed System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CryptoPolicy > == Detailed Description == > The idea is to have some predefined security levels such as LEVEL-80, > LEVEL-128, LEVEL-256, > or

Re: Packages with missing %check

On Feb 26, 2014 5:16 AM, "Colin Walters" wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky < sochotni...@redhat.com> wrote: >> >> "I" didn't name them. I used standard names for different testing levels as defined by software engineering bodies. Quoting from SWEBOK: > > > Yes, I thi

Re: Packages with missing %check

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:45:11PM +0200, Alexander Todorov wrote: > Hi guys, > I have identified 551 packages on the Fedora 20 source DVD which are > missing a %check section in their spec files but are very likely to > have a test suite. See > https://github.com/atodorov/fedora-scripts/blob/maste

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-02-19)

On Feb 24, 2014 1:46 AM, "Marcela Mašláňová" wrote: > > On 02/19/2014 08:57 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: >> >> * Open floor (t8m, 19:45:44) >>* AGREED: FESCo expects the Tech specs/docs from working groups by >> March 3rd at the latest (+7, -0, 0:0) (t8m, 19:50:38) >>* ACTION: t8m will upd

Re: python-django update to Django-1.6

_sitelib}/django/conf/locale/*/*.py* -%{python_sitelib}/django/conf/locale/*.py* - -%{python_sitelib}/*.egg-info - - + +%{python_sitelib}/*.egg %files doc %defattr(-,root,root,-) @@ -301,6 +165,9 @@ cd tests %changelog +* Fri Feb 21 2014 Toshio Kur

Re: rpm bug 1065563 affecting httpd / php packages

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:56:14AM +, Joe Orton wrote: > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:37:53PM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: > > I don't think this calls for a mass rebuild or any kind of a rebuild > > actually, nor should it be rawhide only. AFAIU this doesn't affect > > runtime at all, only build t

Re: Heads-up: updating python-sphinx to 1.2.1 in Rawhide

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54:14AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Quite a lot of packages rely on Sphinx, so I > think we may even want to deal with this in a side-tag. > > My understanding from Dennis is that creating and then merging side tags in koji is not a trivial thing (I can't remember

Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo Meeting (2014-02-12)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-02-12) === Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:01:58 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-02-12/fesco.2014-02-12-18.01.log.html . Meeting summar

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-02-12)

Long agenda this week due to not having a meeting last week. I've tried to put the easiest things first (other than #1197 which is a followup item) to try to clear out as many as possible. Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedo

Re: What is bundling?

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:54:47AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > What is bundling in the sense of > ? > > In my opinion, the page deals with source package contents. > > But there are other things a package can do "bundle" things in

Orphaned packages

We no longer have valid contact information for the following packagers due to changes in their work duties: * npajkovs * fkocina * zpavlas For packages that they own we have orphaned the packages and made them comaintainers. In the future, if their current fas email addresses start to bounce, w

Re: GIT development branches for packagers?

On Jan 16, 2014 10:19 AM, "Andrew Lutomirski" wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 11:29 +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote: > >> On Út, 2014-01-14 at 13:13 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Adam Williamson < awi

Re: dnf versus yum

On Jan 9, 2014 6:26 AM, "Chris Adams" wrote: > > Once upon a time, Toshio Kuratomi said: > > Just have yum drop a config file in there that protects the kernel > > rather than protecting the kernel if some other package chooses to protect > > something els

Re: dnf versus yum

On Jan 7, 2014 4:53 AM, "Frank Murphy" wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:28:59 +0100 > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > look like it starts to happen again: a replacement which is not ready > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 > > It seems the majority want the current dnf default

Re: dnf versus yum

On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 02:56:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > I'm a little lost in the thread, but do you mean that yum's protected > > packages functionality is undocumented? If that is what you mean, check the > > man page. It says: > > >

Re: Source file audit - 2014-01-05

On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 09:25:36AM +0100, Simone Caronni wrote: > On 6 January 2014 20:53, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > slaanesh:BADSOURCE:dkms-2.2.0.3.tar.gz:dkms > > > Downloading the file again gives a different md5sum, but the release tarball > is > the same, so probably the archive has been

python compat package change needed

The new setuptools shipped in F20+ has one change that breaks things for a subset of python packages. I'm proposing a very small guideline change for the Pyhton Eggs guidelines to address that. Maintainers of backwards and forward compat packages will likely want to address this as it will break

Re: Source file audit - 2014-01-05

On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 12:53:04PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > - I didn't explicitly mention it last time, but you can find the output > of the script for your package at: > > http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/sourcecheck-20140105/$packagename-dl.txt > Correction: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin

Re: setuptools status on Fedora 20

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 09:42:11PM +0530, Kushal Das wrote: > # setup > > ERROR - No tool descriptions found in /etc/setuptool.d or > /usr/share/setuptool/setuptool.d. > Kushal and I did some debugging on this this morning and determined that it's the error message being a bit inaccurate. The to

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-12-18) === Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:02:28 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-12-18/fesco.2013-12-18-18.02.log.html . Meeting summar

Re: setuptools status on Fedora 20

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 07:43:40AM -0500, Jared K. Smith wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > ERROR - No tool descriptions found in /etc/setuptool.d or > /usr/share/setuptool/setuptool.d. > > Are we going to deprecate the package ? > > > Not that I'm awar

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-12-18 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Shared System Certificates followup: Packaging Guidelines?

Last night someone asked me about a package that they were working on that had a pem file in it. Looking closer, it seems that the pem file is a cacert bundle. Looking around, there's not currently documentation on what to do with these. I did find some information on the wiki, though: https:

Re: Removing python-setuptools-devel backwards compat

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > I'd like to drop the > backwards compatibility Provides (and Obsoletes) from the python-setuptools > package. However, there are currently 166 packages BuildRequire'ing > python-setuptools-devel. ther

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal for Python guidelines change (in connection to Python 3 switch)

On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 07:18:31AM -0500, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > - Original Message - > > Dne 4.12.2013 12:37, Bohuslav Kabrda napsal(a): > > > (tkinter is actually a subpackage of python itself) > > > > I guess you know what I mean here, but to be clear: > > > > tkinter is only an exam

Re: Kernel event library bundling

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:05:54PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > Hi, Florian. > > On Thursday, 28 November 2013 at 11:38, Florian Weimer wrote: > > There seems to be a library for processing kernel monitoring events > > called "pevent", "libtrace", "traceevent" etc., which might >

Re: RFC: Simply the retirement procedure - trigger on dead.package

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 07:21:53PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > Hi, > > while cleaning up retired packages (which I did not yet finish), I came > up with an idea to simplify the retirement procedure to avoid > inconsistencies. With the help of fedmsg I would like to make it enough > wrt to koji and p

Re: Meeting minutes - today's Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2013-11-19)

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 07:27:47AM -0500, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > So to get back to your question: > - I'd like the WG to think about how we could support building extension > packages for multiple interpreters of dynamic languages - e.g. > Python+PyPy+Jython, Ruby+JRuby+Rubinius (this will p

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:06:44AM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 20/11/13 20:23, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 08:13:02PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > >> > >>We were speaking about giving more power to SIGs related to > >>discuss

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 01:39:48PM -0500, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > The thing is this is pointless. If the people that would do most of this > auditing (Java SIG) do not agree with such scenario the result would be > that old Require:java will be kept whenever full java jvm is used as this >

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 08:13:02PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > We were speaking about giving more power to SIGs related to > discussion about Fedora.next. This can be a good start. Stano and > Aleksandar are working on Java maintenance a lot, Java SIG members > are speaking together, so I

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:27:38PM -0500, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > I start to think this conversation goes nowhere. The whole split is > superficial and most java developers are used to get full jvm if they > require java. This would probably change with Java 8 introducing Profiles > [1]. And

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 03:04:16PM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > > So which one of them would "Provides: java"? I'll give you several variants: > > headless provides java: > - breaks compatibility expectations of older/3rd party RPMs > - we suddenly switch every Java package in Fed

Re: Using git for patch management in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 05:32:01PM +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 07:27:20PM +0200, Alek Paunov wrote: > > On 19.11.2013 16:20, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > >On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 01:29:06PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > >>On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 01:39:50PM +01

Re: Packaing question: need some includes from kernel source

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 06:05:20PM +0100, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > Maybe this should be added to an existing package. I forgot to mention > that during a review I was told not to have multiple sources. > The main reason is so that the two packages can evolve independent of each other. You don

Re: Meeting minutes - today's Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2013-11-19)

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 06:46:29PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > * PRD (mmaslano, 16:19:29) > * LINK: http://piratepad.net/PwUiH4MEPR (abadger1999, 17:04:53) > * ACTION: everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to > enable and one specific thing they'd personally want

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 01:29:58PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/19/2013 11:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 19.11.2013 17:15, schrieb Stanislav Ochotnicky: > >>> I mean (and sorry that I wasn't clear), why the choice to make > >>> ja

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 09:29:40AM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > Quoting Toshio Kuratomi (2013-11-18 17:08:12) > > On Nov 15, 2013 4:09 AM, "Stanislav Ochotnicky" > > wrote: > > > > > > Quoting Jaroslav Reznik (2013-11-15 12:28:11) > >

Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 01:41:22PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > byobu is the only > one which appears to _only_ contain an applications file, but I've no > idea what byobu is or whether that's sane. > IIRC, byobu is not an X1 window manager. It's more like an enhancement or pre-configuration of

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

On Nov 15, 2013 4:09 AM, "Stanislav Ochotnicky" wrote: > > Quoting Jaroslav Reznik (2013-11-15 12:28:11) > > * (optional) Mass-change spec files that have "Requires: java" to "Requires: > > java-headless" > > > > Other developers: > > * Modify spec files to have "Requires: java-headless" instead o

Re: BuildRequires: redhat-rpm-config

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 02:18:05PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 05:36:34PM +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > > For example, if right now you have: > > > > %dir %{python_sitelib}/mymodule > > %{python_sitelib}/mymodule/*.py > > %{python_sitelib}/mymodule/*.pyc

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-11-14 17:00 UTC)

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 06:39:25AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: > Ticket #350 needs 2 votes on final decision. > > Please consider. > What would help is if you could add to the ticket what makes this different from the situation of rsync bundling zlib or similar. In order to be fair to package

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-11-14 17:00 UTC)

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 02:14:44PM -0500, James Antill wrote: > > = Followups = > > (approval and retirement sections already passed) > #topic #339 software collections in Fedora > .fpc 339 > https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/339 > I'm sorry, I don't think I'm going to get to anything new

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-13)

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 08:34:28PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo > meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowt

Re: How to handle non-free parts of a free software project

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:22:16AM +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Manuel Faux wrote: > > NetBeans 7.4 requires a file called jnlp-servlet.jar which is part of > the Oracle JDK and itself non-free licensed. The file is not required > for building, but

Re: python-setuptools update in F20

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > A new setuptools upstream release (1.2) was made last week that adds support > for > subversion 1.7 and 1.8. Subversion 1.7 shipped in Fedora 19 so the > subversion support in setuptools is currently broken in both F19 and F

Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

== #fedora-meeting: fesco == Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:02:39 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting.2013-11-06-18.02.log.html . Meeting summary --- * Roll Call

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 03:52:11PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:23AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: &g

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this? > > .fesco 1193 > > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193 > >

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:38:18AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > Please, add also > > #topic #1191 Fedora 20 schedule adjustment > .fesco 1191 > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1191 > Added. I scheduled this in right after the OpenH264 ticket because it also needs to be decided on in

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-11-06 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Re: Packaging Python 3.4.0

On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 07:29:35AM -0500, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > Hi all, > I started working on updating python3 to 3.4.0. So far, this is only in > a private branch "python3.4" in dist-git, since I'll need to get a Change > approved for Fedora 21. I already created the Change [1], but I was told

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