Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 June 2018 at 11:27, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:13:39PM +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 16 June 2018 at 13:50, Björn Persson wrote: >> > Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 at 23:21, Björn Persson wrote: >&g

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 June 2018 at 00:49, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 at 23:23, Ian Malone wrote: > [..] >> Well, two things: >> >> 1. For example, a kiosk mode, where the home directory is wiped each >> login would be made less secure. The profile for the GUI

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 16 June 2018 at 13:50, Björn Persson wrote: > Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 at 23:21, Björn Persson wrote: >> [..] >> > Don't forget that if your proof of concept can be modified to either >> > overwrite or append to ~/.bashrc, then it's irrelevant to this debate. >> >> before ~

Re: A less "bloated" KDE spin

2017-09-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 September 2017 at 14:19, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote: >> > While you (and others) may well know the name of the software you like >> > for a given task, new peo

troubleshooting wireless network issue

2017-03-29 Thread Ian Malone
Does anyone have suggestions on troubleshooting an issue with apparently intermittent wifi on Fedora after upgrade to 25? The machine is working okay in its location on windows and was okay on F22, and other devices are alright on the access point. The networkmanager status (KDE) doesn't show the c

Re: Proposal: Rethink Fedora multilib support (Take Two!)

2017-01-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 January 2017 at 10:08, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 01/08/2017 01:52 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >> Brendan Conoboy wrote: >>> >>> Enhancing interoperability increases the reach of Fedora and doesn't >>> require a bit of compromise on the the Freedom principle. >> >> >> Splitting a single well-

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

2016-10-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 October 2016 at 23:38, Matěj Cepl wrote: > On 2016-10-15, 21:55 GMT, Ian Malone wrote: > to be one Red Hat employee who did a lot of TeXLive maintenance > (not much how much in his free time), but he is gone from Red > Hat and now the main maintainer is spot. He is my hero,

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

2016-10-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 October 2016 at 20:58, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 15 October 2016 at 12:55, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> > What was scarry 9 years ago now is even more scary today. >> > Will try to present you what is in texlive today over now available rpm >> > packages.

Re: Someone needs to stop texlive madness!!!

2016-10-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 October 2016 at 00:03, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> "TeX live is maintained IMO by real MORONS." > >> is what you wrote. > > Yes it is. > > Probably you never had occasion to have closer look what exactly is > maintained in texlive source tree. > I had fist time been trying to contemplate what e

Re: F24, small backward steps

2016-09-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 September 2016 at 21:24, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 13 September 2016 at 16:03, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > OK this is the most frustrating of a TON of frustrating parts of this > conversation. > > 1. WHY DO WE SHIP PACKAGES THAT WE 'KNOW' AREN'T MAINTAINED? > 2. Why are people 'maint

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 23:00, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Really, it is not realistic to expect people who need to urgently fix > something to write up a polite e-mail and wait possibly days for you to > reply (especially if you then answer that you don't want the change and more > days are wasted goi

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 14:35, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? >> >> If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a >> package use an absolute path, or reset PATH to include /usr/sbi

Re: Self-Reintroduction: DJ Delorie

2016-01-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 28 Jan 2016 19:42, "DJ Delorie" wrote: > > > I've been around for a while, but as I'm taking on a new role inside > Red Hat, I'll be showing up in different places here and upstream, so > I figured I'd refresh everyone's memory as well as announce the change :-) > Meanwhile, on LKML, "From: Li

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 January 2016 at 13:38, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 22 January 2016 at 09:05, Paul Howarth wrote: >>> On 21/01/16 22:24, Ian Malone wrote: >>>> >>>> Since RHEL/CentOS 7 already does not exist in a

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 January 2016 at 09:05, Paul Howarth wrote: > On 21/01/16 22:24, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> Since RHEL/CentOS 7 already does not exist in a native 32bit version I >> do wonder what would actually be running in a hypothetical >> mock/container/VM to build and run 32 b

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 January 2016 at 15:15, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 21 January 2016 at 14:25, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> >>> >>> However I really think we need to sit down and rethink multilib. I would >>> like &g

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 January 2016 at 14:25, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > However I really think we need to sit down and rethink multilib. I would like > to start by changing the multilib method to runtime. So you only get runtime > libraries and nothing to build 32 bit apps on 64 bit. For 32 bit building you > sh

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 January 2016 at 09:10, Yanko Kaneti wrote: > On Wed, 2016-01-20 at 15:50 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> If you're on freshly installed Fedora 23 (x86-64), then >> >> dnf install gtk3-devel.x86_64 >> .. >> >> Is this a bug or is it not expected this would work or I am doing it >> w

Re: dnf still is unuseable

2016-01-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 January 2016 at 01:32, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55:54AM +0100, Heiko Adams wrote: >> But it seems to be broken since Feb 2015, which is IMHO unacceptable >> since a default package manager and all of its features have to work >> absolutely reliable. > >

Re: kmods and Fedora

2016-01-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 January 2016 at 19:29, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2016 9:34 AM, "Nicolas Chauvet" wrote: >> >> 2016-01-14 18:05 GMT+01:00 Neal Gompa : >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Reindl Harald >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Am 14.01.2016 um 16:56 schrieb Neal Gompa: >>> >> >>> >> I've r

Re: Stop please

2016-01-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 January 2016 at 12:02, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Samuel Sieb writes: > >> On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >>> >>> I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing >>> list, when I discovered *I don't know how.* >>> >>> It seems with HyperKitty we no long

Re: wayland in rawhide

2015-11-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 November 2015 at 12:29, Steve Clark wrote: > On 11/26/2015 06:32 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson >> wrote: >> >>> The wiki page explaining the GNOME-on-Wayland approach to middle-button >>> paste

Re: wayland in rawhide

2015-11-26 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 15:40 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> On 11/25/2015 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson >> > wrote: >> > > On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:

Re: wayland in rawhide

2015-11-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: >> I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but >> "middle click paste" and the occasional odd bug keep annoying me enough to >> go back to X. Can you elab

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 November 2015 at 15:31, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 21:45 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Not really getting this. For any configuration task where you replace >> editing a root owned text file with access through some authorised >> gui, that gui is st

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 November 2015 at 03:18, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:09:34PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: >> To the bug in question: probably we should make it so 'sudo gedit' does >> work, but I'd still strongly discourage anyone from actually doing so. > > Actually, there's a better wa

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 November 2015 at 23:38, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 18.11.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Adam Jackson: >> >> On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 17:30 +, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> >>> On 11/02/2015 03:05 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: But, why take the risk exposure, when you could simply not? >>> >>> >>> H

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 November 2015 at 20:24, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 15:09 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: >> On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:53 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> > I don't understand. If a user who has the right to act as root asks >> > to authorize a program to run as root on th

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 November 2015 at 20:09, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:53 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> I don't understand. If a user who has the right to act as root asks >> to authorize a program to run as root on their behalf, we should grant >> that request. And, once we grant i

Re: Naming ANTs

2015-11-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 November 2015 at 09:14, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm working on bringing libraries/tools for neuroscience and neuroimaging > into Fedora[0]. Now I'm packaging ANTs[1] (Advanced Normalization Tools > (ANTs)), but we already have package ants[2] (game). > > How do I proceed with it?

Re: Packaging of PlayOnLinux

2015-10-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 October 2015 at 06:55, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> Dne 14.10.2015 v 16:50 Bastien Nocera napsal(a): >>> > If the application cannot work without downloading anything, or being >>> > supplied >>> > third-pa

Re: Packaging of PlayOnLinux

2015-10-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 October 2015 at 11:50, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2015-10-14, Alexandre Moine wrote: >> But, we have to be very careful with this software since it downloads >> scripts and icons from the web (in the automated installer part)... >> And it can install for example IE or steam by simply clicking a

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-10-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 October 2015 at 16:27, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> Maybe there's some confusion about the point I was making. I'm >> referring to the case where the bundled library has functions that are >> no longer present in the fedora version and the applic

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-10-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 October 2015 at 12:43, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Haïkel wrote: >> And what happens if the library is consumed by other packages >> requiring the new API? > > Of course you have to support both the new and the old one. > >> Let's keep Ian example: >> You keep the deprecated function in the new li

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-10-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 October 2015 at 23:58, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: >> In many cases, this effectively means creating a Fedora-specfic fork of >> the project. > > Only if you call patches to the build system (with little to no changes to > the actual code) a "fork". > >> Even if we accept unbu

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 September 2015 at 10:11, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > On 09/15/2015 08:41 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 14 September 2015 at 16:47, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson >> wrote: >> >>> They simply have welcomed their new container overlords and are u

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 September 2015 at 16:47, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > They simply have welcomed their new container overlords and are using only > the recommended upstream method for installing for their application ( > pip,gem etc since developers can use the upstream support community for > those ) in

Re: Fedora Ring 0 definition

2015-09-07 Thread Ian Malone
On 7 September 2015 at 13:21, Miloslav Trmac wrote: > > Also, it seems to me that it would be useful to, at least conceptually, to > not think about Fedora as a self-hosting perpetual motion^Wrecompilation > machine, but as “just another huge application” being built using compilers > and other t

Re: Fedora Jam not in nightly composes / F23 alpha or beta?

2015-09-07 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 September 2015 at 11:17, Ian Malone wrote: > Hi, > > It seems Fedora Jam is not included in current test composes for F23 > and is not being included in nightly composes > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=livecd&order=-id >

Fedora Jam not in nightly composes / F23 alpha or beta?

2015-09-04 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, It seems Fedora Jam is not included in current test composes for F23 and is not being included in nightly composes http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=livecd&order=-id (not failing to build as Live Workstation is, simply not being included in attempted builds).

Re: Is it time to allow Chromium in Fedora?

2015-08-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 August 2015 at 09:33, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 12.08.2015 um 02:42 schrieb Thomas Daede: *if* you use binary tarballs they *should not* be extracted in a user writeable location as *no binary* whenever possible should have permissions allowing a ordinary user to change

Re: Thunderbird-38.0.1 integrates lightning? Very disturbing!!

2015-07-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 July 2015 at 14:02, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 1 July 2015 at 12:14, Ian Malone wrote: > >> >> It appears to have broken the ability to install the gdata provider, >> at least when I installed a new F22 system at the weekend I found I >> couldn't install i

Re: Thunderbird-38.0.1 integrates lightning? Very disturbing!!

2015-07-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 June 2015 at 16:33, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 30 June 2015 at 17:22, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 30.06.2015 um 17:02 schrieb Ahmad Samir: >>> >>> IIUC, what's happening here is that they bundle the extension with >>> Thunderbird 38 so it's installed and enabled by default; so when you >>

Re: Btrfs as default filesystem for Fedora 23?

2015-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 June 2015 at 04:28, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> Certainly, but with none of the features in Btrfs actually emitting scary >> "experimental" warnings anymore, and even all features working in btrfs RAID >> 5/6 now, I think we should

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

2015-04-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 April 2015 at 21:36, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Simon Farnsworth wrote: > >> Windows doesn't work fine with RTC in local time, unless you have one and >> only one Windows install on the system. If you (say) dual-boot Windows 95 >> and Windows NT 4.0 (I've done t

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

2015-04-27 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 April 2015 at 09:54, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 04/27/2015 09:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 27 April 2015 at 06:47, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >>> Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local >>> timezone, so if Windows is going to g

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

2015-04-27 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 April 2015 at 06:47, Chris Murphy wrote: > Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local > timezone, so if Windows is going to get berated for not dealing with > UTC properly, then Fedora can be berated for not dealing with local > time properly. > Not really, as multiboot

Re: Quick C++ question for C++ experts :)

2015-04-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2015 at 16:09, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 01/04/15 15:16 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> Do you mind clarifying? I thought should provide that >> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/operator+/ or is that >> what fno-implicit-templates is t

Re: Quick C++ question for C++ experts :)

2015-04-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2015 at 14:32, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 28/03/15 16:45 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: >> >> 2015-03-28 16:06 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade >> : >>> >>> Is this expected to not compile with -fno-implicit-templates? >>> >>> ---%<--- >>> $ cat test.cc >>> #inclu

Re: How to become a packager (was: Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies)

2015-02-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 February 2015 at 15:35, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:00:07 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Actually, a question I have about this is how it will impact people >> trying to become maintainers. When I last checked (it may have >> changed) the on

Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies

2015-02-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 February 2015 at 13:06, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:49:13 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 20:18 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: >> > On 12/02/15 19:32, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> > > (Logistical note: please keep all replies to this thread on >> > >

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 January 2015 at 19:10, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 01/27/2015 07:03 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > All those are warnings, not "garbage" or debug output. File bugs about > those, there should be zero warnings in normal usage. > > Shouldn't they trigger abrt then? more importantly, is it pos

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 January 2015 at 14:31, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:53:23 + (UTC) > P J P wrote: > >> IMO, the ones opposing are those who fear their current >> setups/practices would break. Because they need remote 'root' access >> in their set-up. Which is a genuine use-case. And to su

Re: Abotu setting 'PermitRootLogin=no' in sshd_config

2015-01-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 January 2015 at 09:20, Milan Keršláger wrote: >> Hello, >> > 4) Blocking root access means forcing admins to log as normal user and > then do su/sudo and providing root password, which is far less secure > than disable root password authentication and allow login to root with > SSH key

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 December 2014 at 13:13, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Ian Malone [30/12/2014 13:09] : >> >> On 30 December 2014 at 01:26, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> > That is incorrect. Fedora is upstream for RHEL and therefore upstream for >> > CentOS as well

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 December 2014 at 01:26, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >> Minor correction, CentOS is unbranded RHEL and Fedora is not RHEL >> upstream (so far as I am aware anyway). > > > That is incorrect.

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 December 2014 at 21:53, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2014-12-27 at 15:57 +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >> >> Actually we do have a VLTS (Very Long Term Support) release, CentOS, >> especially now that they've joined the family, but the connection is >> not immediately apparent. > >

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 17:28, Radek Holy wrote: > Dear users of YUM and DNF, > > I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very > grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF > currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly i

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-10 Thread Ian Malone
gt;> >> wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >> > have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the >> >> >> > Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 December 2014 at 00:43, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller wrote: >> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> > have a proposal for a new spi

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> > have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the >> > Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional >>

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 15:33, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 02:31:58PM +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> There are three products: workstation, server, cloud. Workstation is >> the one for desktop use. That leaves server to aim for the traditional >> fedora user

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 11:35, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 10:49 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> If Reindl, Kevin or Tomas want to disagree with that, I'll give you a >> little >> exercise: >> Having just installed and updated my Fedora 20, I want to share a >> video in my >> ho

Re: Are both the audio and jackuser groups necessary?

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 15:15, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > Hi, > > A perhaps naive question, but is it really necessary to have both the > "audio" and "jackuser" groups? Could these not be consolidated moving > forward? > jackuser is used for realtime priority and memlock rights, /etc/security/limi

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 13:45, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:11:40PM +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >>> You're free to select another firewall zone >> And free to move to another distro of course. > > Well, or free to select another Fe

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 12:02, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Reindl Harald" >> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:26:29 PM >> Subject: Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall >> >> >> >> Am 08.12.2014 um 12:22

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 08:38, Paul Howarth wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:41:52 +0100 > Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was >> not amused when I noticed this: >> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/firewalld.git/tree/FedoraWorksta

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 December 2014 at 20:55, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 1 December 2014 at 05:05, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: >>> So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number at >>> all? >>> Even to get a trend? >> >> >> no n

Re: Trig functions from math.h

2014-11-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 26 November 2014 at 19:06, Les Howell wrote: > Gentle developers: > I have some older code that used to compile, which I wish to reuse and > maybe redesign. However the code is C and uses the sinf function, which > seems to have disappeared from math.h. Can anyone tell me where this >

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-10-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 October 2014 20:07, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 17.09.2014 13:58, Miroslav Suchý wrote: >> On 09/17/2014 11:54 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >>> All those OSes require reboots when updating the OS. >> >> Define OS. >> >> Firefox is definitely not OS. While systemd is OS. >> I am fine with reboot a

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 October 2014 12:35, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Been away for a week and come back to this nonsense. Why put so much effort into arguing *against* having the right interpreter listed at the top of a script. Seems pretty perverse to insist it should be /bin/sh to maintain a conflation that's unique

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2014 17:28, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > - Original Message - >> > At that point switching anything to dash can _only increase_, not reduce, >> > the disk space needed, and is very likely to increase the total page cache >> > usage/requirement as well. Bringing the benefits of sup

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2014 16:57, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 02:29:53PM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> > >Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) >> > >shell in Fedora? Other distributions including Ubuntu and Debian >> > >

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2014 09:41, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > One of the long standing features that were enabled by default in yum is > support for delta rpms. dnf developers have disabled this and I think this > change deserves a broader discussion > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 October 2014 13:59, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > >> In general, I am pretty sure that except a couple of programming >> language or UNIX aficionades very few people can actually correctly >> separate bashisms from true bourneshellisms. > > It isn't that

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 October 2014 17:13, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/02/2014 03:07 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Chris Adams wrote: >> >> >> If that's the case, why do we have the /bin/sh symlink? Just remove >> it >> and make the bash dependency explicit (so

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 October 2014 07:33, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 01.10.14 22:39, Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) shell >> in Fedora? Other distributions including Ubuntu and Debian ( >> https://lwn.net/Articl

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 September 2014 02:09, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, 2014-09-29 at 22:05 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> Who is using magnifying glasses to view icons? > > Icons are displayed far larger in GNOME Shell than in other desktop > environments, and the difference between

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-09-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 29 September 2014 12:40, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 29 September 2014 12:23, Matěj Cepl wrote: >> Couldn’t we just stop this madness of bitmaps? > > SVGs are not a silver bullet. You'd want a very different source SVG > file for an icon that's designed to be displayed at 22x22, to an icon > de

Re: OT: Patching a source makes it a fork?

2014-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 August 2014 12:30, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> (I'm very sympathetic to your plight as I've been waiting months to >> try and get a known patch from the actual author of the original code >> into the kernel.)

Re: OT: Patching a source makes it a fork?

2014-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 August 2014 03:11, Richard Shaw wrote: > I'm part curious and part venting > > I am trying to get a cross-platform project I'm working on building natively > on win32 as I've already got it working nicely on Fedora and Fedora mingw. > > I've ended up with the MSYS2 project, which while a

Re: unsigned char vs. signed char

2014-07-16 Thread Ian Malone
On 16 July 2014 10:28, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 07/16/2014 11:00 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:55:57AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> >>> On 07/15/2014 07:22 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 10:40 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > Did

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 June 2014 12:51, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Ian Malone: >> On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: >>>> On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendl

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: >> On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: >>> Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of >>> attitude. >> >> Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 June 2014 23:54, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree. > > I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent > packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and > noticed it had a myriad of depende

bugzilla use and bug 1049310

2014-06-23 Thread Ian Malone
Kevin Fenzi on bugzilla: > Hey folks. There are 47 people cc'ed on this bug. > > Can we please be kind to them and refrain from discussion here unless you > have some new information that hasn't already been noted in the last 35 > comments? Quite a sensible comment. We got to this situation becaus

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 June 2014 19:11, David wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 6/17/2014 1:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 17.06.2014 19:26, schrieb David: >> >> before you call others "zealots" you should ask yourself if you >> are just only a ordinary user with his single mach

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: The Shogun Machine Learning Toolbox

2014-04-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 April 2014 14:10, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: The Shogun Machine Learning Toolbox = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/shogun > > Change owner(s): Björn Esser > > SHOGUN is a large Scale Machine Learning Toolbox, being implemented in C++ and > offering i

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-16 Thread Ian Malone
On 16 April 2014 00:11, William Brown wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 13:49 -0700, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> I don't think we want a 'firewall' UI anyway; the firewall is not >> something most users can or should understand and make decisions of. > > Never take decisions away from users. > > The O

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager instead of KDM

2014-04-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 April 2014 14:40, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager > instead of KDM = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM > > Change owner(s): Martin Briza & KDE SIG > > Retire KDM as the default display manager of the

Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-08)

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 April 2014 23:01, Corey Sheldon wrote: > I'm glad to supply a mirror site for initial seeding for such actions as > needed (GMT-4 (US ES/DT) > Also great mailing list but curious do you plan on creating a blog or > podcast with such info for those not always near email client ..been > for

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 April 2014 21:46, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >>> ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of >>> bzip2. >> Is this necessary? Wouldn't it be better to have lbzip2 Provide bzip2 >> or something so that

Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)

2014-04-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2014 21:11, Matthew Miller wrote: > Reposted from > http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-01/ > > This is the third installment of this series, and I'm still calibrating > a few things. I'm aiming at a wide audience, but I'm not quite sure how > much explain

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part II, "What's Happening?")

2014-04-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2014 02:50, David wrote: > On 3/31/2014 8:37 PM, Corey Sheldon wrote: >> Whatever if they can't learn the basics and the fundamental basis of >> Linux or the "Patent" issues and what have you then go somewhere else >> like to mac or windows..sometimes you need to work for things and

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 March 2014 14:56, Ric Wheeler wrote: > On 03/02/2014 01:17 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >>> >>> Can we get some definition of "legacy" here? kernel/nfs-utils versions? >>> > >> >> I'd have to check what I can share. If it helps: not cur

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 March 2014 21:37, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 03/01/2014 02:30 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce wrote: >>> On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +, Ian Malone wrote: >>>> On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: >>>>

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> As you say they are 'plain' filesystems. Tho

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 11:07 PM, James Wilson Harshaw IV >> wrote: >> >> > I apologize, I guess I did not get the whole background out of it. >> > >> > What filesystems are we considering?

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-02-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 February 2014 08:45, Christian Schaller wrote: > > Well with GCC we are assuming people will read docs and figure out the command > line parameters needed to use gcc. So expecting people to read the docs on how > to use yum or 'yum search' is not expecting to much in my opinion. > > That s

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 February 2014 06:08, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/13/2014 07:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> >> Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> A party who is molesting me with ads and tries t

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