Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-02 Thread Howard Chu
ne or think that any of the steps are good or should be done. It just seems to be the standard bingo for this software. Someone might also be able to put dnf or GNOME into similar categories. ] -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp. http://www.symas.com Director, Hig

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-01 Thread Howard Chu
ives the added benefit of capturing stdout) '&' in of itself was *never* any sort of guarantee, regardless of foolish expectations to the contrary. Wrong, for all csh users. You folks are all talking from quite narrow perspectives. -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp. htt

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-01 Thread Howard Chu
context. That doesn't mean that you can't have user crontabs. As Lennart says, using those mechanisms should ideally be a privileged operation (with a lenient policy on single-user systems). -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp. http://www.symas.com Director, Highlan

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-01 Thread Howard Chu
Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/06/16 12:19, Howard Chu wrote: This is still looking at the problem back-asswards. The problem isn't that screen and tmux are special cases. The problem is that some handful of programs that got spawned in a GUI desktop environment are special cases, not exiting

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-01 Thread Howard Chu
creen and tmux *aren't* the only programs that can legitimately run in the background. *Any* command can be backgrounded / nohup'd by a user and *all* of them are legitimate in that case. -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp. http://www.symas.com Director, Highland Sun h

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-05-31 Thread Howard Chu
ical basis for it. The entire premise is invalid. -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp. http://www.symas.com Director, Highland Sun http://highlandsun.com/hyc/ Chief Architect, OpenLDAP http://www.openldap.org/project/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://l

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-05-28 Thread Howard Chu
md should be able to know the difference between a program that's zombie or unresponsive but isn't doing anything or is unresponsive but is doing something; and if not then some way for programs to say "hey wait just a minute, I need to clean things up" or whatever, rather than jus

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-05-28 Thread Howard Chu
sense on a Server. It's debatable whether it's actually reasonable on a Workstation too. Jobs backgrounded with "&" in a shell are expected to keep running. Having to create rules and profiles for every possible command is idiotic. -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp.

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Change Proposal Name NewRpmDBFormat

2016-02-01 Thread Howard Chu
in use since 2011. At this point it has saved tremendous administration and maintenance cost, both for us (Symas and OpenLDAP Project) and for all the other projects that have adopted it. -- -- Howard Chu CTO, Symas Corp. http://www.symas.com Director, Highland Sun http://high

Re: [389-devel] 389-devel Digest, Vol 99, Issue 6

2013-09-11 Thread Howard Chu
way more than I'm proposing, and I'm not sure how useful that would be anyway, unless you want to do OLAP in the DS ;) we have the cardinality of the key in old-idl and this makes some searches where parts of the filter are allids fast. Just out of curiosity, why is keeping a count pe

Re: [389-devel] Please review: Allow modrdn to move subtree and rename non-leaf node

2010-01-15 Thread Howard Chu
ot.) Experience from developing back-hdb in OpenLDAP shows that all of the downsides are more than cancelled out by the reduction in memory and I/O footprint gained from the RDN-only index layout. http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/200112/msg00052.html http://www.openldap.org/conf/odd-sfo