libftdi: Failure to create output directory (aarch64 only)

2023-06-05 Thread Richard Shaw
I just saw this[1] on the packager dashboard: error: Could not create output directory /builddir/build/BUILD/libftdi1-1.5/redhat-linux-build/doc/xml Full log: https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/work/tasks/5182/101845182/build.log Is this a known issue? [1] https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/pack

Re: Using AI/Machine Learning with rpmautospec?

2023-06-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 10:36 PM Reon Beon via devel wrote: > > Automatically complete/update the spec file with AI/ML. Have you looked at Packit? https://packit.dev/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 04:46:42 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Fedora could, of course ship its own SELinux policy for Flatpak (and I recommend this), but Flatpak will not (and cannot reasonably be expected to) integrate with SELinux natively. Well it would have to be a very permissive p

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 04:49:07 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: “several hundred megabits a second on tap at all times” is completely out of the question for the majority of the world’s population. I’m not sure what the median bandwidth in the developing world is, but it is far FAR less t

Re: Issue with Rawhide docker image?

2023-06-05 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 05/06/23 22:12, Ron Olson ha scritto: > Hey all, I am using docker and pulled the latest version of rawhide to > use interactively. Sitting in the container I ran `dnf -y update` and > got: > > Config error: Parsing file "/etc/dnf/dnf.conf" failed: Parsing file > '/etc/dnf/dnf.conf' failed: I

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 16:49 -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > On 6/5/23 15:01, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 19:51 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > > On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > > > > > > Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create >

Re: Using AI/Machine Learning with rpmautospec?

2023-06-05 Thread Reon Beon via devel
Automatically complete/update the spec file with AI/ML. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-

libdc1394 soname bump

2023-06-05 Thread Till Hofmann
Hi all, I have updated libdc1394 to 2.2.7, which bumps the soname to libdc1394.so.26. I created the side tag f39-build-side-68587 and built the updated libdc1394 in the side tag. If my query was correct, the following packages need to be rebuilt: ffmpeg libdc1394 mrpt opencv player vxl You c

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/5/23 15:01, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 19:51 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: >> >>> Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create >>> packages for every distribution is not reasonable. >> >> I would never wan

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/5/23 16:35, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 02:09:58 PM -0400, Steve Grubb > wrote: >> Yes. And how does it's security model work? > > The security model is that the application is assumed to be compromised > by malicious input and is trying to do evil things to the host s

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 02:09:58 PM -0400, Steve Grubb wrote: Yes. And how does it's security model work? The security model is that the application is assumed to be compromised by malicious input and is trying to do evil things to the host system, like read your home directory and send cop

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:37:24 PM -0400, Stephen Smoogen wrote: 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is it everything bundled in it or does it use layers? Two layers: * Runtime (base platform, responsibility of runtime maintainers) * Application (inclu

Issue with Rawhide docker image?

2023-06-05 Thread Ron Olson
Hey all, I am using docker and pulled the latest version of rawhide to use interactively. Sitting in the container I ran `dnf -y update` and got: Config error: Parsing file "/etc/dnf/dnf.conf" failed: Parsing file '/etc/dnf/dnf.conf' failed: IniParser: Missing section header at line 1 I stopped t

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:05:25 PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a specific build of a lower layer. So using the up-thread example, if there's a security update to zlib, the lower layer can rebuild to pick it up, but until the up

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 05/06/23 19:51, Roberto Ragusa ha scritto: > On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > >> Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create >> packages for every distribution is not reasonable. > I would never want upstream to do packaging, as experience teaches, > they wou

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said: > On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 13:05 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a > > specific build of a lower layer. So using the up-thread example, if > > there's a security update to zlib, the lower layer

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 19:51 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > > Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create > > packages for every distribution is not reasonable. > > I would never want upstream to do packaging, as experience te

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 13:05 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said: > > 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is > > it everything bundled in it or does it use layers? > > It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depen

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 14:10, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Monday, June 5, 2023 1:37:24 PM EDT Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 13:32, Michael Catanzaro > > > > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour > > > > > > wrote: > > > > zlib should be added to

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Robert Marcano via devel
On 6/5/23 2:05 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said: 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is it everything bundled in it or does it use layers? It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a specific build of

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Steve Grubb
On Monday, June 5, 2023 1:37:24 PM EDT Stephen Smoogen wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 13:32, Michael Catanzaro > > wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour > > > > wrote: > > > zlib should be added to the standard freedesktop.org runtime if it is > > > not > > > al

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said: > 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is > it everything bundled in it or does it use layers? It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a specific build of a lower layer. So using the up-thread

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create packages for every distribution is not reasonable. I would never want upstream to do packaging, as experience teaches, they would certainly do it wrong. Packaging and integration is

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 13:32, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: > > zlib should be added to the standard freedesktop.org runtime if it is > > not > > already included. > > zlib is included in both freedesktop-sdk and also GNOME runtime

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: zlib should be added to the standard freedesktop.org runtime if it is not already included. zlib is included in both freedesktop-sdk and also GNOME runtimes, so nobody should need to bundle it. Michael

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/5/23 12:13, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 6/5/23 09:35, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > >> "easily install from Flathub" brings us closer to Windows where you >> "easily" install software from random places on the Internet and they >> bring their own bundled outdated versions of librarie

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 05/06/23 17:00, Michael J Gruber ha scritto: > I've taken up hyphen and the orphaned hyphen-* packages. They don't appear to > be high maintenance, but co-admins welcome, of course. Similarly, feel free > to admin as co-admin to other hyphen-* in case something needs coordinations. > The lang

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 6/5/23 09:35, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: "easily install from Flathub" brings us closer to Windows where you "easily" install software from random places on the Internet and they bring their own bundled outdated versions of libraries. Flatpaks have the added downside of not integra

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Michael J Gruber
I've taken up hyphen and the orphaned hyphen-* packages. They don't appear to be high maintenance, but co-admins welcome, of course. Similarly, feel free to admin as co-admin to other hyphen-* in case something needs coordinations. The language packages are basically a "cp" in "%install", though

Re: Are we ready for ipv6-mostly networks?

2023-06-05 Thread Petr Pisar
V Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 03:27:58PM +0200, Michal Schorm napsal(a): > Thought: > (disclaimer: I don't know much about networking) > IPv4 addresses are in some cases 'human readable' / 'human usable' / > 'human friendly'. > > How can one set up a temporary network of several devices for a LAN > party

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:39 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 05/06/2023 13:54, Josh Boyer wrote: > > I'm not sure what led you to the conclusion that IBM has anything to > > do with this or that "they fired a lot of good engineers". I don't > > see evidence of either being the case. > >

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 05/06/2023 13:54, Josh Boyer wrote: I'm not sure what led you to the conclusion that IBM has anything to do with this or that "they fired a lot of good engineers". I don't see evidence of either being the case. Please don't state your own assumptions as facts. https://news.ycombinator.com/

Re: F39 Proposal: Make Toolbx a release-blocking deliverable and have release-blocking test criteria (System-Wide Change)

2023-06-05 Thread Owen Taylor
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 8:35 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 6:28 AM Debarshi Ray via devel > wrote: > > I wanted to wrap up this sub-thread on-list, after Owen and I chatted > > about it off-list. > > > > I am fine with having the fedora-toolbox OCI images being defined as > > kick

Re: Are we ready for ipv6-mostly networks?

2023-06-05 Thread Petr Menšík
The easy way is definitely pushing both IPv6 and IPv4 addresses of any service into DNS. Use at least mdns (which is not resolving also IPv6 in our default configuration sadly), which converts names to ipaddress  and back. That in my opinion is the target. To use human friendly names, not IP ad

Re: Are we ready for ipv6-mostly networks?

2023-06-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michal Schorm said: > How can one set up a temporary network of several devices for a LAN > party or any similar connecting application use cases? > From my own experience, the vast majority of people have no idea that > when one tells you "write in: ten zero zero eight", they ha

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Kamil Paral
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:43 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > We cannot ship anything from Flathub because > FESCo will not allow it. I don't *like* this FESCo requirement, but I > also don't expect that to change. I haven't studied that ruling, but perhaps the assumption was that said software is

Re: Self Introduction: Andreas Vögele

2023-06-05 Thread Michal Josef Spacek
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:26 PM Andreas Vögele via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: Hi Andreas, all, > I'm Andreas from Stuttgart in Germany. I'm a system administrator and > software developer, who moved his computers to Fedora about a year ago. > I've written a handful of Perl modul

Re: Are we ready for ipv6-mostly networks?

2023-06-05 Thread Michal Schorm
Thought: (disclaimer: I don't know much about networking) IPv4 addresses are in some cases 'human readable' / 'human usable' / 'human friendly'. How can one set up a temporary network of several devices for a LAN party or any similar connecting application use cases? From my own experience, the va

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread stan via devel
On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 08:45:28 -0500 Michael Catanzaro wrote: > I'm not going to defend callous layoffs during a time when Red Hat is > earning big profits. And I have no clue what our corporate overloads It is a fact of corporate life that if you are a manager and want to be promoted, cutting h

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20230605.n.0 changes

2023-06-05 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20230604.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20230605.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 4 Added packages: 5 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 40 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 474.11 KiB Size of dropped packages:0

Re: F39 Proposal: Make Toolbx a release-blocking deliverable and have release-blocking test criteria (System-Wide Change)

2023-06-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 6:28 AM Debarshi Ray via devel wrote: > > Hey, > > I wanted to wrap up this sub-thread on-list, after Owen and I chatted > about it off-list. > > I am fine with having the fedora-toolbox OCI images being defined as > kickstart files in the Fedora infrastructure and built by

Re: Are we ready for ipv6-mostly networks?

2023-06-05 Thread Petr Menšík
FYI, I have created tracker bug ipv6-mostly [1], which links bugs in different components to make that possible. More below On 01. 06. 23 21:05, Björn Persson wrote: Petr Menšík wrote: ... Fortunately there is roughly the same presentation[2] in English, which took the place on RIPE 85 meetin

Re: Using AI/Machine Learning with rpmautospec?

2023-06-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 4:06 PM Reon Beon via devel wrote: > > How far along is this? Possible in the next 5-10 years or so? What do you want it to actually do? josh ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 3:56 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 03/06/2023 02:46, Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote: > > No LibreOffice, no continuation with Fedora. LO better be there with > > F39. Without it, all you have is Firefox. It is not enough to keep > > Fedora Diehards from jumpin

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
> I've taken ownership of libreoffice for the time being, at least to keep the > lights > on. Co-maintainers, as always, welcome. Don't know how much time I'll be able to contribute, but you can count me in. As Mattia suggested, I think it might be a good idea to set up libreoffice-sig. A.FI. __

Re: F39 Proposal: Make Toolbx a release-blocking deliverable and have release-blocking test criteria (System-Wide Change)

2023-06-05 Thread Debarshi Ray via devel
Hey, I wanted to wrap up this sub-thread on-list, after Owen and I chatted about it off-list. I am fine with having the fedora-toolbox OCI images being defined as kickstart files in the Fedora infrastructure and built by ImageFactory and published as another base image, just like the fedora base

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 09:09:57AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > > Am 03.06.2023 um 02:06 schrieb Sandro : > > What will we ship in Fedora if we were to follow in Red Hat's > > footsteps? LibreOffice Flatpak? That may prove to be the straw > > that broke the camel's back. As I said before, I don't want

Next Open NeuroFedora Meeting: 1300 UTC on Monday, 05 June (today)

2023-06-05 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hello everyone, Please join us at the next Open NeuroFedora team meeting on Monday 05 June at 1300UTC in #fedora-neuro on Matrix or IRC (Libera.chat). The meeting is a public meeting, and open for everyone to attend. You can join us over: Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#neuro:fedoraproject.org IRC:

Mock v4.1 (bugfix) released (and mock-core-configs v38.6)

2023-06-05 Thread Pavel Raiskup
Hello maintainers, let me announce a bugfix/follow-up Mock v4.1 release. This release - further stabilizes building with DNF5 in general - builds with DNF4 are fixed for the future Fedora 39+ hosts where '/bin/dnf' is DNF5 not DNF4 - 'dnf5' is used for installing bootstrap when DNF4 is not fou

Re: Making systemd-boot option available for installation?

2023-06-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 05:25:22PM -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > Hello team, > > I would like to bring back the topic related to the selection of bootloader > notably either GRUB2 and systemd-boot. With the recent adoption on UKI > kernel, it would be great to get systemd-boot ready for at lea

Re: LibreOffice packages

2023-06-05 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Saturday, 03 June 2023 at 14:42, Michael Catanzaro wrote: [...] > My $0.02: maintaining complex desktop applications as part of the operating > system requires significant effort and produces low value for users when you > can easily install that app from Flathub instead. (It *especially* doesn'

Re: Self Introduction: Daniel Milnes

2023-06-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 11:54:46PM -, Daniel Milnes via devel wrote: > Hey all, I'm Daniel Milnes. > > By day I'm a CyberSecurity Engineer at LMAX Group, part of the team > responsible for running ~2k Rocky Linux servers, and by night I'm head of > Infrastructure for RACTF, an open-source fr