> s/tech debt/older software that needs work to reduce ongoing maintenance
> costs/
Indeed :-)
I'll call it OSTNWTROMC then, it's shorter. But even as an acronym, it's more
letters than "tech debt" ;-)
(just kidding, I get your point)
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> I see only a blank page. So it has strict requirements for which
> Javascript runners can be used to run it, then?
Yes, the UI is written in javascript (Typescript with Vue.js to be precise). We
should probably add a noscript tag to make that clearer.
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> I'm still a bit confused what I need to do though: It looks like
> notifications-old is still running, as I continue to get IRC
> notifications from it ...
> - How long are the old and new services expected to continue running
> in parallel?
Yeah we'll keep running both until F39 to give time to
Adam Williamson wrote:
> A poll like this would have an inherent problem: it's ineffective to
> have *only* the people who are already in a place vote on whether a
> measure to get new people into the place is a good idea.
Yet this approach is working fine for, e.g., Debian.
> This is the same as
Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> So let us say it is voted on and the answer is keep the mailing lists.
> What are the next steps to fixing the mail system which is held together
> by duct-tape and bailing wire?
[etc.]
Thanks for confirming that the decision was actually already made elsewhere
and that t
Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> I may be in that list of toning down, but that is OK. Look it's really
> time for new people to come in and break things. It is the only way they
> really learn if something is something that should be really avoided or
> was a taboo we had from the 1990's which we can't se
On ke, 26 huhti 2023, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 07:23:10PM +0100, Chris Kelley wrote:
One thing I still don't understand is why all of our java packages are
orphan-affected by the orphaning of java-1.8.0-openjdk. None of them
BuildRequires a JDK, and the source/target/release va
On ke, 26 huhti 2023, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:04 AM Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
Hi,
This morning I woke up to find that packages I maintain were orphaned
out of blue. Nobody contacted the maintainers, nobody raised any tickets
to releng, as far as I can see. Yet, releng
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 12:49:02AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> > I've written this:
> > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/guide-to-interacting-with-this-site-by-email/25960
> > and I'd love feedback on it.
>
> Asking feedback from users who are not using Dis
On 4/26/23 08:42, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
As I see it, the main roadblocks for new packagers are:
* accepting the FPCA,
* getting sponsored,
* learning the Packaging Guidelines, and
* getting their package(s) through review,
and that last point can be a roadblock even for existing packagers
On 4/26/23 11:25, Matthew Miller wrote:
Use j/k to scroll up and down (ah, vi, your legacy will live forever)
According to Wikipedia, it's actually the ADM-3A:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A#Legacy
I recently learned this, and find it fascinating ☺
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Matthew Miller wrote:
> I've written this:
>
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/guide-to-interacting-with-this-site-by-email/25960
>
> and I'd love feedback on it.
Asking feedback from users who are not using Discourse… on Discourse (!) is
absurd and the best way to not get any answers. (
Matthew Miller wrote:
> I actually love the idea of a Discourse-to-NNTP bridge.
But is it ever going to happen? What is sure is that Discourse's e-mail
notification system cannot be used for this, or at least it is not suitable
for the existing e-mail to NNTP bridges. So somebody would need to w
On 26-04-2023 14:23, Aurelien Bompard wrote:
I have some ideas on how we could do that without touching the existing Badges
code.
That would be great. Sometimes I feel the code is so brittle that
touching one part will break another.
Basically what I was thinking was:
- write the Fedora Me
gedit 43+ (bug 2180562) requires tepl again, so we need to unretire it:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2190039
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Apologies, I forgot to say I was getting this info from the Packager
Dashboard:
https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?users=ckelley
On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 at 22:17, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 07:23:10PM +0100, Chris Kelley wrote:
> > One thing I still don't unders
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:51:33AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 04:28:16PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > Could we have the same graph for discourse (and Fedora telegram and Fedora
> > matrix)? It'd be interesting to see what percentage of active communicati
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 04:31:53PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 3:26 PM Fedora Rawhide Report
> wrote:
> >
>
> Can we please make the kernel RPM not have 2000 lines of changelog
> every time there's a version bump?
> It doesn't make sense to include the entire git commi
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 03:29:34PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 03:04:26PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > I have been pondering if we could perhaps setup a public-inbox read-only
> > mirror of the posts to discussion. (
> > https://public-inbox.org/README.html ). It would t
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 03:16:32AM -, Anthony Rabbito wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> While I've been inactive for a few months I wanted to get around to sending a
> official announcement.
>
> As work continues to bear more load during these uncertain times and being a
> full time student I'm curre
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 07:23:10PM +0100, Chris Kelley wrote:
> One thing I still don't understand is why all of our java packages are
> orphan-affected by the orphaning of java-1.8.0-openjdk. None of them
> BuildRequires a JDK, and the source/target/release values for the packages
> range from 6 t
On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 at 15:28, Maxwell G wrote:
> On Wed Apr 26, 2023 at 18:04 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > On 20/04/2023 23:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
> >
> > I think such serious questions should be put to a vote.
On Wed, 2023-04-26 at 19:27 +, Maxwell G wrote:
> On Wed Apr 26, 2023 at 18:04 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > On 20/04/2023 23:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
> >
> > I think such serious questions should be put to a v
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2023-04-26/fedora_coreos_meeting.2023-04-26-16.28.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2023-04-26/fedora_coreos_meeting.2023-04-26-16.28.txt
Log:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2023
On Wed Apr 26, 2023 at 18:04 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 20/04/2023 23:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
>
> I think such serious questions should be put to a vote. Not a FESCo
> vote, but a vote for all Fedora contributor
Hi Anthony
Glad to know you are still around. I am sure things will improve with
time. If you get a chance could you please move me to the admin group
in the kubernetes repo? I have a couple of clean up items to take care
of that need admin access.
Best regards
Brad
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 8:17
One thing I still don't understand is why all of our java packages are
orphan-affected by the orphaning of java-1.8.0-openjdk. None of them
BuildRequires a JDK, and the source/target/release values for the packages
range from 6 to 17. Can anyone shed some light on this please?
Cheers,
Chris
On W
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 8:43 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > Ah. May or may not. That gives me hope at least.
>
> Well, considering that we have hundreds of existing contributors, who all
> may or may not be willing to adapt to a platform that is clearly not
> designed
On 4/26/23 16:04, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
On 20/04/2023 23:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
I think such serious questions should be put to a vote. Not a FESCo
vote, but a vote for all Fedora contributors (can be combined with
On 20/04/2023 23:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
I think such serious questions should be put to a vote. Not a FESCo
vote, but a vote for all Fedora contributors (can be combined with the
next FESCo elections).
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:20:11AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> So... this brings up something about this whole thread that I've avoided
> but think does matter: I understand that you are the Fedora Project
> Leader, but it seems like a lot of this is being done based on your
> personal decisions.
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 04:34:22AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> And in particular, NNTP is not supported at all, and the way the e-mail
> notifications work does not lend itself to NNTP gatewaying over Gmane.
Well, email (and Mailman3 and Hyperkitty and Postorious) do not support
NNTP.
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 12:38:46PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > In some instances at least, you can select the text in the fragment you
> > are replying to, and a quote button will appear. I at least found that
> > quite discoverable.
>
> You have to use your mouse to do it, w
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> I turned off the mailing list mode on purpose.
So... this brings up something about this whole thread that I've avoided
but think does matter: I understand that you are the Fedora Project
Leader, but it seems like a lot of this is being done based on your
Aurelien Bompard wrote:
> OK, the switch is complete, the new notifications app is at
> https://notifications.fedoraproject.org, and if necessary you'll see a link
> to the old app there.
I see only a blank page. So it has strict requirements for which
Javascript runners can be used to run it, t
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 10:49:03AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Have you considered outsourcing email (list) operations instead?
We looked into a hosted Pony Mail a while ago. But (leaving aside "I don't
think that solves everything I want to address"), hosted solutions are
difficult because if
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 04:28:16PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Could we have the same graph for discourse (and Fedora telegram and Fedora
> matrix)? It'd be interesting to see what percentage of active communicating
> users are active on the mailing list.
I'm not sure how to get it
On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 06:11:45PM +, Randy Barlow via devel wrote:
> On 4/21/23 14:05, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >Accessiblity is important to Fedora, and I take this seriously. For
> >Discourse, hit the ? key to bring up the page describing keyboard shortcuts.
>
> One thing I don't care for wh
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 12:46 PM Aurelien Bompard
wrote:
>
> > So ... what happens when the switch to the "new" Notifications app
> > happens? Are the same "defaults" that are configured for the IRC
> > delivery mechanism in the "old" Notifications app applied to all
> > users, or does everybody s
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 07:42:44AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 26 2023 at 08:50:51 AM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
> wrote:
> >If needed by Steam or Wine, they should provide a .conf file instead
> >rather than changing this setting system wide.
> Problem is this doesn't work
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:42:36AM -, Aurelien Bompard wrote:
> Yes, Badges has still not been ported over to Fedora Messaging. It's
> actually the last remaining piece I think, with FMN done. Until then, FMN
> can't understand the messages that Badges emits, so you can't subscribe to
> notific
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 03:33:28PM -0400, Solomon Peachy via devel wrote:
> Honestly, if a "how to configure discourse to mimic the MUA-managed
> mailing list experience (ie not having to log into a web site after the
> initial configuration)" document is produced, that's probaby sufficient
> to
On 4/26/23 08:50, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
On 24/04/2023 18:12, Ben Cotton wrote:
This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved
by the
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:04 AM Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This morning I woke up to find that packages I maintain were orphaned
> out of blue. Nobody contacted the maintainers, nobody raised any tickets
> to releng, as far as I can see. Yet, releng ran the orphaning from what
> I saw in
On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 at 08:44, Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > Ah. May or may not. That gives me hope at least.
>
> Well, considering that we have hundreds of existing contributors, who all
> may or may not be willing to adapt to a platform t
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 02:42:56PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> And as I already answered, I think this is completely backwards. If you want
> to newly join a project, you learn their way to do things and adapt to it.
> If, on the other hand, you are already involved in a project and ha
Dne 20. 04. 23 v 23:20 Matthew Miller napsal(a):
I know this is a big change, but, hear me out…
It is a big change. But I am +1
So far I was able to configure notification in Discourse to send me email and I track new in mail client. The Discourse
can filter lots of emails that are +1 or -1.
Josh Boyer wrote:
> Ah. May or may not. That gives me hope at least.
Well, considering that we have hundreds of existing contributors, who all
may or may not be willing to adapt to a platform that is clearly not
designed for them (Discourse is very strongly newbie-centric, see the
"achievemen
On Wed, Apr 26 2023 at 08:50:51 AM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
If needed by Steam or Wine, they should provide a .conf file instead
rather than changing this setting system wide.
Problem is this doesn't work for containers
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> I'll try to free some cycles and take a look if it's possible to have an
> intermediate solution.
I have some ideas on how we could do that without touching the existing Badges
code.
Basically what I was thinking was:
- write the Fedora Messaging Schema for Badges (you'll need to do that at s
Hi Peter,
On 4/26/23 13:33, Peter Hanecak wrote:
> Hello,
>
> please pass that to me, I'll try to update and if it goes well, we can keep
> it in the distro.
That is great, thank you.
I have added you as a co-admin of the package now, while
doing this I noticed that officially I have already h
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 10:42 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > I want to make sure I understand that statement. You're saying you
> > will actively walk away from Fedora because you would have to change
> > the manner in which you discuss things?
>
> I am saying I and ma
On 25-04-2023 18:58, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
As you can see, it doesn't take any great inventions to do this. The
email standards already contain the necessary features. They just need
to be implemented, if the Discourse developers are serious about
supporting interaction by email.
well, as you well
On 26-04-2023 12:42, Aurelien Bompard wrote:
- email me when I get a new badge
Yes, Badges has still not been ported over to Fedora Messaging. It's
actually the last remaining piece I think, with FMN done. Until then,
FMN can't understand the messages that Badges emits, so you can't
subscribe to
Hello,
please pass that to me, I'll try to update and if it goes well, we can
keep it in the distro.
Thank you in advance.
Sincerely
Peter
On 4/25/23 15:32, Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi All,
Once upon a time I packaged freecol, a FOSS game inspired by
the colonization computergame.
Unfortunat
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Hi,
> Would it be possible to build bootable images using mkosi-initrd in
> koji? Then these could be booted in openQA directly and catch simple
> regressions like unbootable images quite easily.
You might want have a look at kernel-uki-virt.rpm, which ships an UKI
you can boot directly (that i
Hey!
Bugzilla, Pagure, Bodhi and Discussion are all apps that have their own
notification systems, as you've noticed. The notifications that FMN handles are
for apps that don't, such as Koji for example. But the old FMN being unreliable
has discouraged app owners to use it. That may change now.
OK, the switch is complete, the new notifications app is at
https://notifications.fedoraproject.org, and if necessary you'll see a link to
the old app there.
Please open issues at https://github.com/fedora-infra/fmn/issues if you find
any. Thanks!
Aurélien
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> So ... what happens when the switch to the "new" Notifications app
> happens? Are the same "defaults" that are configured for the IRC
> delivery mechanism in the "old" Notifications app applied to all
> users, or does everybody start with a "blank slate", i.e. will I need
> to manually create new
> - email me when I get a new badge
Yes, Badges has still not been ported over to Fedora Messaging. It's actually
the last remaining piece I think, with FMN done. Until then, FMN can't
understand the messages that Badges emits, so you can't subscribe to
notifications yet. Sorry about that! Badg
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 11:04 AM Alexander Bokovoy
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This morning I woke up to find that packages I maintain were orphaned
> out of blue. Nobody contacted the maintainers, nobody raised any tickets
> to releng, as far as I can see. Yet, releng ran the orphaning from what
> I saw in
Hi,
This morning I woke up to find that packages I maintain were orphaned
out of blue. Nobody contacted the maintainers, nobody raised any tickets
to releng, as far as I can see. Yet, releng ran the orphaning from what
I saw in a few bugs.
What is happening? Who and how made those decisions?
I
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