Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 9/29/20 9:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: So let me ExecSum what I wrote here. For systemd-resolved to become a high quality DNS solution: 1) Remove custom DNS/DNSSEC resolving code and use a well maintained DNS library. "Custom" is in the eye of the beholder. It appears to me you mean

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:29 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebugInfoLldbIndex > > == Summary == > Provide .debug_names debug info index for LLDB for clang-built > binaries using: clang -gdwarf-5 -gpubnames > > Debuginfo index significantly accelerates loading of *

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-29 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:29 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebugInfoLldbIndex > [snip] > > It would be good to produce index from GCC by GDB and to produce > index > from clang by clang as the compatibility inside the same toolchain is > best tested and supporte

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:32 PM Jeff Law wrote: > > > On 9/28/20 8:50 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > > DWARF standard sometimes makes mistakes, for example .debug_pubnames and > > .debug_pubtypes were never really usable and DWARF-5 removed them. It may be > > perfectly possible the DWZ extension

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-29 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/28/20 8:50 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:31:59 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: If you want to make -fdebug-types-sections the default you really should work with the upstream GCC developers to figure out why they don't want that. I haven't seen that, according to Richard Bi

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 17:50 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:44 PM Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:33 pm, Graham Leggett > > wrote: > > > To step in here, regulatory compliance is a non optional requirement > > > around the world. > > > > > > Regula

Re: Proven packager help needed to rebuild packages

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 06:46:49PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 05:04:12PM +0200, Ondřej Lysoněk wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm coordinating rebuilds of packages due to the libevent rebase [1] > > and I'm having trouble reaching owners of some of the packages. Is

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 29.09.20 um 14:38 schrieb Neal Gompa: > If you're a remote employee, it absolutely is. And especially in this > pandemic, this kind of thing is now the *default* experience. Company network - check Fedora 31 Laptops - check VPN users - check Androids - check Windows Laptops - check internal dns

F33 beta: where are my Rust packages?

2020-09-29 Thread Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
I maintain two Rust packages, rust-copydeps [1] and rust-desed [2]. Both were built for F33 ([3], [4]) before it branched off for Rawhide (and submitted to bodhi ([5], [6])). I gave the F33 beta a spin and when I tried "dnf install copydeps desed", I got no matches. Other Rust packages, like rus

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:44 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:33 pm, Graham Leggett > wrote: > > To step in here, regulatory compliance is a non optional requirement > > around the world. > > > > Regulatory compliance applies to everybody in a jurisdiction, there > > is

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:33 pm, Graham Leggett wrote: To step in here, regulatory compliance is a non optional requirement around the world. Regulatory compliance applies to everybody in a jurisdiction, there is no such thing as a “specialized deployment” or environments where it “will not

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Graham Leggett
On 29 Sep 2020, at 22:04, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:51 pm, Petr Menšík wrote: >> Anyway, we might forgive working dnssec validation. What we cannot >> forgive is lack of DNSSEC information passtrough in 2020. > > I agree this should be fixed. See > https://bugzilla.r

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:58 pm, David Sommerseth wrote: Ubuntu 20.04 has also enabled systemd-resolved by default, but it seems it has not gone as far as Fedora 33. Ubuntu has enabled systemd-resolved by default since Ubuntu 16.10, but it doesn't use nss-resolve, so getaddrinfo() uses tradi

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread David Sommerseth
On 29/09/2020 17:21, Paul Wouters wrote: > > For the VPN scenario, it is just a little bit more complicated. > > For those with proper standards, such as "Cisco IPsec", L2TP/IPsec", > the VPN confiuration is dictated by the server to either send all or > some traffic to the VPN server. If it is n

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:41 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > > > == Summary == > > Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size > > > > == Owner == > > * Name: [[User:pbrobinso

Re: F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware > > == Summary == > Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > * Email: [mailto:pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org| pb

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2020-09-30)

2020-09-29 Thread Miro Hrončok
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 14:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2020-09-30 14:00 UTC' Links to all issues to

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-29 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Jan, On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 04:50:59PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > To make DWZ better consumable it needs to have the partial units separately > parseable. That way they can be shared at IR level and not just at DWARF > level > That means: > * DW_TAG_partial_unit should have DW_AT_language

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-29 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 05:46:08PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:35:26 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > So, was this compiled by GCC or clang? > > Fedora Koji package: > lldb-debuginfo-11.0.0-0.2.rc3.fc34.x86_64 > > GNU GIMPLE 10.2.1 20200916 (Red Hat 10.2.1-4) -m64 -

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:01 pm, Lennart Poettering wrote: So, I defer to Michael here: I didn't actually check what NM opted there. It might very well be that they default to configuring "." as routing domain for VPNs. Yes, this is what happens. Qualification: it's what should happen, sans b

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-29 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Jan, On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 05:28:57PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:31:59 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > I do find your statistics per package useful because they show dwz is > > in general effective by producing at least 20% (more) on-disk size > > reduction, > > I

F34 Change proposal: DNS Over TLS (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNS_Over_TLS == Summary == Fedora will attempt to use DNS over TLS (DoT) if supported by configured DNS servers. == Owner == * Name: [[User:catanzaro|Michael Catanzaro]] * Email: * Name: [[User:Zbyszek|Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]] * Email: == Detailed De

F34 Change proposal: Compress Kernel Firmware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-29 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompressKernelFirmware == Summary == Compress Kernel Firmwares to reduce on disk size == Owner == * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] * Email: [mailto:pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org| pbrobin...@fedoraproject.org] == Detailed Description == Since the

F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-29 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebugInfoLldbIndex == Summary == Provide .debug_names debug info index for LLDB for clang-built binaries using: clang -gdwarf-5 -gpubnames Debuginfo index significantly accelerates loading of *.debug files by debugger. Fedora currently provides ELF section .

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/29/20 10:05 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:28 pm, Petr Menšík wrote: >> nss-dns is allright. All you need to have is dns server with domain >> configurable servers. >> >> Those are: >> - unbound (with dnssec-trigger autoconfigured) >> - dnsmasq >> - systemd-r

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 6:32 pm, Petr Menšík wrote: Are you sure? Can it? It cannot: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1879028 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedora

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/29/20 6:18 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 11:21, Paul Wouters (p...@nohats.ca) wrote: > >> No further magic should be needed. The user selects this once when >> joining a new network. > > This is terrible UI. It was on Windows, and it would be on Linux. > > You shouldn't

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:28 pm, Petr Menšík wrote: nss-dns is allright. All you need to have is dns server with domain configurable servers. Those are: - unbound (with dnssec-trigger autoconfigured) - dnsmasq - systemd-resolved - probably knot-resolver - bind (not more difficult to reconfig

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:51 pm, Petr Menšík wrote: Anyway, we might forgive working dnssec validation. What we cannot forgive is lack of DNSSEC information passtrough in 2020. I agree this should be fixed. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1879028. However, since this only ma

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:06 pm, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: It is not an exotic one, but this behavior was in the past considered a vulnerability (information disclosure) [0]. Are we re-introducing it? I guess yes, and it can be that the benefits of it outweigh the vulnerability, but we shou

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:21 pm, Lennart Poettering wrote: Yes, I too would prefer if my regular, non-RH DNS traffic never goes to RH servers while I am in the VPN, and I can easily configure things that way. But if I am pretty sure the majority of people probably put more emphasis "please pleas

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 15:14 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 11:20 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 16:40 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 5:18 pm, Chuck Anderson > > > > > > wrote: > > > > I think the VPN plugin and VPN server has

Re: Proposal: drop extras-qa from all fedora bugs

2020-09-29 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 6:31 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Since time began (Fedora 7), all fedora bugs in bugzilla have had their > "QA Contact" field set to: extras...@fedoraproject.org. > > Bugzilla describes "QA Contact" as: > > "The person responsible for confirming this bug if it is unconfirmed,

Re: Proposal: drop extras-qa from all fedora bugs

2020-09-29 Thread Andy Mender
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 18:31, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Since time began (Fedora 7), all fedora bugs in bugzilla have had their > "QA Contact" field set to: extras...@fedoraproject.org. > > Bugzilla describes "QA Contact" as: > > "The person responsible for confirming this bug if it is unconfirmed, >

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 20:01 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 13:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 12:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > > > Search domains ha

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 11:20 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 16:40 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 5:18 pm, Chuck Anderson > > wrote: > > > I think the VPN plugin and VPN server has some input, no? All the > > > VPN > > > servers I've used send route

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:35 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 02:20:46PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 13:32 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 07:57:13AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > > > > On 9/28/20 6:47 AM

Disabling armv7hl in ELN

2020-09-29 Thread Josh Boyer
Hi All, When originally conceived, ELN followed all architectures that Fedora builds for. The intention here was good but we have discovered that it is causing some burden for maintainers and there is no underlying reason for this in the Enterprise context. I've filed https://github.com/fedora-e

Re: Proven packager help needed to rebuild packages

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 05:04:12PM +0200, Ondřej Lysoněk wrote: > Hi, > > I'm coordinating rebuilds of packages due to the libevent rebase [1] > and I'm having trouble reaching owners of some of the packages. Is > there a proven packager willing to help me with the rebuilds? > > The rebuilds shou

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/29/20 5:21 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 16:03, Petr Menšík (pemen...@redhat.com) wrote: > >>> For example, if I have my laptop in my home wifi, connected to RH VPN, >>> then there are some names resolvable only via the local >>> DNS. Specifically: my router's, my printer'

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 4:00 AM Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search > domains are > > specifically used for resolving non-FQDN to FQDN. This isn't a reliable > wa

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 29.09.20 13:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 12:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search domains > > > are > > >

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 12:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search domains > > are > > specifically used for resolving non-FQDN to FQDN. This isn't a reliable

Re: Proposal: drop extras-qa from all fedora bugs

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:17:51AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 07:03:29PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:30:45AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Since time began (Fedora 7), all fedora bugs in bugzilla have had their > > > "QA Contact" field

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 10:19 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 28.09.20 14:29, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 16:02 +0100, Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > > On 28/09/2020 15:57, Marius Schwarz wrote: > > > > Am 28.09.20 um 13:47 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski

Re: Proposal: drop extras-qa from all fedora bugs

2020-09-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 07:03:29PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:30:45AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Since time began (Fedora 7), all fedora bugs in bugzilla have had their > > "QA Contact" field set to: extras...@fedoraproject.org. > > > > Bugzilla describes "QA

Fedora 33 Beta Secure boot issue

2020-09-29 Thread Alex Thomas
Thought I would try the beta out on my laptop again (had tried it on test week, but had to revert due to platform.io not working) Getting error of : " Secure Boot Image failed to verify with * ACCESS DENIED* " It worked on the btrfs test week, so I am unsure what went wrong. Laptop is Lenovo T44

Re: Orphaning 'hub' (the git wrapper for Github)

2020-09-29 Thread Joe Doss
On 9/29/20 10:44 AM, Rich Megginson wrote: Is there a plan to package `gh` in Fedora? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1803302 I am slogging through it slowly. Joe -- Joe Doss j...@solidadmin.com ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.f

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 28. 09. 20 v 18:03 Michael Catanzaro napsal(a): > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:51 am, Ian Pilcher > wrote: >> I anticipated this question.  I don't have a good proposal for you ... >> but I believe that it's up to the people advocating/implementing this >> change to come up with that.  If it is

Re: Proposal: drop extras-qa from all fedora bugs

2020-09-29 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:30:45AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Since time began (Fedora 7), all fedora bugs in bugzilla have had their > "QA Contact" field set to: extras...@fedoraproject.org. > > Bugzilla describes "QA Contact" as: > > "The person responsible for confirming this bug if it is un

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, Lennart Poettering wrote: "Custom" is in the eye of the beholder. It appears to me you mean that in a derogatory way. I went out of my way to compare the systemd-resolved team to te DNS teams consisting of dozens of full time senior people working 20+ years on DNS with ann

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 07:27:37AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:38:27AM -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > > > > > This entire discussion is generating enough emails per hour to be an IRC > > discussion. Could we please move this discussion to #fedora-devel or > > somepla

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 09:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:13:48 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski- > Szmek > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:41:12PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:39:17 AM MST Michael Catanzaro > > >

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 02:20:46PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 13:32 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 07:57:13AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > > > On 9/28/20 6:47 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > Instructions were already posted

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/29/20 5:21 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 16:03, Petr Menšík (pemen...@redhat.com) wrote: > >>> For example, if I have my laptop in my home wifi, connected to RH VPN, >>> then there are some names resolvable only via the local >>> DNS. Specifically: my router's, my printer'

Proposal: drop extras-qa from all fedora bugs

2020-09-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Since time began (Fedora 7), all fedora bugs in bugzilla have had their "QA Contact" field set to: extras...@fedoraproject.org. Bugzilla describes "QA Contact" as: "The person responsible for confirming this bug if it is unconfirmed, and for verifying the fix once the bug has been resolved." Ho

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/29/20 5:23 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 16:51, Petr Menšík (pemen...@redhat.com) wrote: > >>> I am just saying: Fedora cannot be focussed on just working for people >>> who have a competent company admin and use their laptops in >>> company networks only. We must have som

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 16:40 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 5:18 pm, Chuck Anderson > wrote: > > I think the VPN plugin and VPN server has some input, no? All the > > VPN > > servers I've used send routes to the VPN client to determine which > > traffic the client shoul

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:13:48 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:41:12PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:39:17 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > You can do this, but again, you need to use the command line

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 29.09.20 11:21, Paul Wouters (p...@nohats.ca) wrote: > No further magic should be needed. The user selects this once when > joining a new network. This is terrible UI. It was on Windows, and it would be on Linux. You shouldn't ask questions people cannot possibly answer correctly. There's

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 23:37 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, September 28, 2020 12:42:32 PM MST Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Mo, 28.09.20 12:14, Paul Wouters (p...@nohats.ca) wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:41:12 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 04:03, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > Search domains on VPNs are an indicator that these domains are handled > > > by the VPN, that's why we use them also as routing domains. But t

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, Petr Menšík wrote: is there any generic protocol exchanging what (sub)domains should be targetted to specific DNS server? The search domains are usually the only signal available and used for this. RFC 7296 (IKEv2) and split-DNS (RFC 8598) defines the sent domain name list

Re: Orphaning 'hub' (the git wrapper for Github)

2020-09-29 Thread Rich Megginson
On 9/29/20 8:55 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Upstream is slowly dying out, since the official Github CLI[1] was announced. The latest upstream release doesn't pass the test suite on Golang 1.15[2] and I don't have the time to spare these days, so I'm going to orphan it and let someone else take o

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 29.09.20 16:51, Petr Menšík (pemen...@redhat.com) wrote: > > I am just saying: Fedora cannot be focussed on just working for people > > who have a competent company admin and use their laptops in > > company networks only. We must have something that works well in > > company networks, as i

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 29.09.20 16:03, Petr Menšík (pemen...@redhat.com) wrote: > > For example, if I have my laptop in my home wifi, connected to RH VPN, > > then there are some names resolvable only via the local > > DNS. Specifically: my router's, my printer's and my NAS' address. And > > there are other names

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, but how do you determine "local resources"? This is not the proper question. The proper question is "what are you trying to do". The .local domain discovery clearly is something meant to be local. I assume the real question is: How to conve

Proven packager help needed to rebuild packages

2020-09-29 Thread Ondřej Lysoněk
Hi, I'm coordinating rebuilds of packages due to the libevent rebase [1] and I'm having trouble reaching owners of some of the packages. Is there a proven packager willing to help me with the rebuilds? The rebuilds should be done using the following command: fedpkg build --target=f34-build-side-

Orphaning 'hub' (the git wrapper for Github)

2020-09-29 Thread Stephen Gallagher
Upstream is slowly dying out, since the official Github CLI[1] was announced. The latest upstream release doesn't pass the test suite on Golang 1.15[2] and I don't have the time to spare these days, so I'm going to orphan it and let someone else take over. [1] https://cli.github.com/ [2] https://

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/29/20 3:44 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 13:47, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > >> Lennart Poettering wrote: >>> On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: >>> It can work in company-scope if the company has competent network a

Fedora 33 Beta Release Announcement

2020-09-29 Thread Mohan Boddu
Fedora 33 Beta Released -- The Fedora Project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of Fedora 33 Beta, the next step towards our planned Fedora 33 release at the end of October. Download the prerelease from our Get Fedora site: * Get Fedora 33 Beta Work

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
nss-dns is allright. All you need to have is dns server with domain configurable servers. Those are: - unbound (with dnssec-trigger autoconfigured) - dnsmasq - systemd-resolved - probably knot-resolver - bind (not more difficult to reconfigure runtime) Maybe more. It is not about nss, because /et

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:38:27AM -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > > This entire discussion is generating enough emails per hour to be an IRC > discussion. Could we please move this discussion to #fedora-devel or > someplace more appropriate? Well, not everyone is on IRC, and email is sometime

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Di, 29.09.20 04:03, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > Search domains on VPNs are an indicator that these domains are handled > > > by the VPN, that's why we use them also as routing domains. But this > > > doesn

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
Hi Lennart, more below... On 9/29/20 3:41 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 04:03, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > >>> Search domains on VPNs are an indicator that these domains are handled >>> by the VPN, that's why we use them also as routing domains. But this >

Re: GNU Guix

2020-09-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:45:24PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-09-29 21:42, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 01:30:01PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 06:26:46AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:12:40AM +, Cu

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/29/20 10:01 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 28.09.20 23:37, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > >>> Configure "." as "routing domain" on a specific iface and the lookups >>> wil go there preferably. If you put that on your VPN iface this means >>> DNS traffic goes there

Re: GNU Guix

2020-09-29 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-09-29 21:42, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 01:30:01PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 06:26:46AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:12:40AM +, Cuckoo's Calling via devel wrote: Hello All, I came acr

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 29.09.20 13:47, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > > > > > It can work in company-scope if the company has competent network > > > admins. My local DNS server at home resolves local h

Re: GNU Guix

2020-09-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 01:30:01PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 06:26:46AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:12:40AM +, Cuckoo's Calling via devel wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I came across an amazing project called GNU Guix.

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 29.09.20 04:03, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > Search domains on VPNs are an indicator that these domains are handled > > by the VPN, that's why we use them also as routing domains. But this > > doesn't mean it's the *only* routing domains we use. We use the ones > > yo

Re: GNU Guix

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 06:26:46AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:12:40AM +, Cuckoo's Calling via devel wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I came across an amazing project called GNU Guix. > > > > So, I made an animation to introduce the novel concepts of this project. > >

Re: GNU Guix

2020-09-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:12:40AM +, Cuckoo's Calling via devel wrote: > Hello All, > > I came across an amazing project called GNU Guix. > > So, I made an animation to introduce the novel concepts of this project. > > Here is the link for the video, > https://gnuguix-drive.mycozy.cloud/pub

Fedora-33-20200929.n.0 compose check report

2020-09-29 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 2/181 (x86_64) Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-33-20200928.n.0): ID: 680393 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso apps_startstop URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/680393 ID: 680404 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_notifications_p

Re: packages still requiring ncurses

2020-09-29 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:43:14PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > The built-in path is: /etc/termcap, /usr/share/misc/termcap. But none of these > directories exist in Fedora. ncurses-base has /usr/share/terminfo. My > knowledge about termcap and terminfo is zero, but it seems that > /usr/share/terminf

Re: packages still requiring ncurses

2020-09-29 Thread Cuckoo's Calling via devel
Hi Ben, > Nope! I've updated the F33 and F34 packages to correct the > dependencies. Thanks for highlighting this. Should not be an issue, https://gnuguix-drive.mycozy.cloud/public?sharecode=YvERPGX14g5S Cheers, Cuckoo's Calling. ___ devel mailing list

Re: packages still requiring ncurses

2020-09-29 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:10 AM Dan Horák wrote: > > when looking at a recent issue when a change to lorax templates broke > composes for ppc64le and s390x I have found that there are packages > that explicitly require the ncurses package and I wonder if all of these > Requires are correct. Becaus

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:48 AM Björn Persson wrote: > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > > > > > It can work in company-scope if the company has competent network > > > admins. My local DNS server at home resolves local hostnames to

Fedora 33 compose report: 20200929.n.0 changes

2020-09-29 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-33-20200928.n.0 NEW: Fedora-33-20200929.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:3 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 1 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 51 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 782.94 KiB Size of dropped packages:0 B Size of

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:27:37AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > > > https://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence-reports-documents/2013-2/iab-statement-dotless-domains-considered-harmful/ > > in this particular case. > > I looked at this extensively a couple of

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Cuckoo's Calling via devel
Hi, > NetworkManager pushes DNS server configuration (and associated bits like > domain > search and routing domains) over dbus to resolved. That way it "[tells > resolved how > to] split DNS according to routing". Of course, after the name has been > resolved > to an IP address, the packets to

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:41:12PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:39:17 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > You can do this, but again, you need to use the command line. E.g. > > 'resolvectl dns tun0 8.8.8.8' > > > > We're actually no longer debating how systemd

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Björn Persson
Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > > > It can work in company-scope if the company has competent network > > admins. My local DNS server at home resolves local hostnames to private > > IPv4 addresses in the 192.168/16 block. Clients on t

GNU Guix

2020-09-29 Thread Cuckoo's Calling via devel
Hello All, I came across an amazing project called GNU Guix. So, I made an animation to introduce the novel concepts of this project. Here is the link for the video, https://gnuguix-drive.mycozy.cloud/public?sharecode=YvERPGX14g5S Please leave me a feedback on your experience. Cheers, Cuckoo's

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Petr Menšík
Hi Paul, is there any generic protocol exchanging what (sub)domains should be targetted to specific DNS server? I know dnssec-trigger/unbound is able to send queries only to specified search domains received by DHCP server. Are you aware of any implementation independent way to store domains for

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:59:14 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search domains > > are specifically used for resolving non-FQDN to FQDN. This isn't a

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search domains are > specifically used for resolving non-FQDN to FQDN. This isn't a reliable way to > see what domains are handled by a VPN, or by any DNS server. > >

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2020-09-29 12:37, Lennart Poettering a écrit : This is not the reality I live in though. New-style high level programming languages tend to avoid being just a wrapper around C APIs. And thus they implement minimal DNS clients themselves, ignoring the LLMNR, mDNS and so on. Not just for DNS.

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 1:01:23 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 28.09.20 23:37, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > Configure "." as "routing domain" on a specific iface and the lookups > > > wil go there preferably. If you put that on your VPN iface this me

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 28.09.20 20:52, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek skrev: > >On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 01:15:36PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> Hey for those of us in the peanuts gallery watching this play out.. could > >> each of you point out which standards

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