Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Michal Konecny
On 7/17/19 10:00 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: My initial reaction is that the lists of applications in categories 1 and 2 are very short. My second reaction is that this page doesn't sell me that I should use Python in any business-critical software... These categories are not complete at all. We

Compiling with AddressSanitizer

2019-07-17 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Hello, I have been using a library for awhile now and have been thinking of submitting it to Fedora. Part of what I have been doing with it was compiling it using -fsanitize=address and leak etc. I’m kinda wondering about how that is handled with Fedora packages. Are we able to / should we p

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2019-07-18 16:00 UTC)

2019-07-17 Thread James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2019-07-18 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. uitime): = Day: Thursday == 2019-07-18 09:00 PDT US/Pacific 2019-07-18 1

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 7/17/19 10:40 AM, Timothée Floure wrote: > Hello, > > I do not think it would be good for apps.fp.o to simply disappear: although > outdated, it does a pretty good job improving human-discoverability of our > services. I understand that longtime or active contributors are not really > affected

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 22:00 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > My initial reaction is that the lists of applications in categories 1 and 2 > are very short. Category 1 is not a list. It says: "For completeness we are highlighting one example of a Category 1 application that we will always aim to main

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Peter Robinson [17/07/2019 14:07] : > > It would be useful to have the CPE mission linked to directly, it's > mentioned a number of times in the post but I don't see a direct way > to get to it. It's in the first link on that page: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outcome-of-the-cpes-team

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
My initial reaction is that the lists of applications in categories 1 and 2 are very short. My second reaction is that this page doesn't sell me that I should use Python in any business-critical software... Is release-monitoring.org also maintained by the CPE? It's being broken for ages and I fee

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Jeremy Cline
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: > > > > Good Morning, > > > > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner > > feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 15:38, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 13:32 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > My frustration is that people who aren’t working at Red Hat have *no* > > avenue to help support the Project’s infrastructure. > > On what basis do you say this? The whole infra process

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 7/17/19 10:32 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I don’t have a problem with you saying you can’t maintain everything > and focusing on stuff *to* maintain. But I have been trying for > *months* to try to help in various efforts as a member of the > community. There’s very little I can do because there’

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 14:10, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: > >> > > >> > >> There are two issues to unpack

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2019-07-17 at 13:32 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > My frustration is that people who aren’t working at Red Hat have *no* > avenue to help support the Project’s infrastructure. On what basis do you say this? The whole infra process is set up to be a Fedora process, not an RH one. You don't use

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Clement Verna
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 20:10, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> There are two issues to unpa

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 13:46, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:44 PM Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: > >> > > >> > >> There are two issues

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Timothée Floure
Hello, I do not think it would be good for apps.fp.o to simply disappear: although outdated, it does a pretty good job improving human-discoverability of our services. I understand that longtime or active contributors are not really affected but I believe the index to be helpful for newcomers (as

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "FW" == Florian Weimer writes: FW> I strongly doubt this will be true indefinitely. I expect things FW> will change pretty quickly once partners can access and file bugs in FW> the other bug tracker. This is interesting in light of the fact that one reason given for not enabling Pagure is

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon >> wrote: >> > >> >> There are two issues to unpack here: >> >> 1. We use a weird custom backend and custom protocol exten

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Brian (bex) Exelbierd
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:44 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon >> wrote: >> > >> >> There are two issues to unpack here: >> >> 1. We use a weird custom backend and custom protocol exten

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: > > > > There are two issues to unpack here: > > 1. We use a weird custom backend and custom protocol extensions. > > This should definitely be replaced if it makes sense. It’s more urge

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Brian (bex) Exelbierd
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:13 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:09 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > > > * Peter Robinson: > > > > >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to > > >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the > > >> >

Fedora-Rawhide-20190717.n.0 compose check report

2019-07-17 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 5 of 47 required tests failed openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Unsatisfied gating requirements that could not be mapped to openQA tests: FAILED: compose.cloud.all Failed open

Re: Fedora 31 System-Wide Change proposal: No More i686 Kernels

2019-07-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I cross graded a laptop from i686 to x86_64 yesterday using dnf and it went pretty well without a reinstall. It also ran fine using an x86_64 kernel with i686 user space during the transition. I noticed that at least with using --forcearch=x86_64 that installing two packages that had names dif

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20190717.n.0 changes

2019-07-17 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20190716.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20190717.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:5 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 1 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 87 Downgraded packages: 1 Size of added packages: 519.87 KiB Size of dropped packages

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 10:09, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Peter Robinson: > > >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to > >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the > >> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering > >

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:09 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Peter Robinson: > > >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to > >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the > >> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 03:20:34PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Peter Robinson: > > >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to > >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the > >> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engi

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Florian Weimer
* Peter Robinson: >> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to >> > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the >> > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering >> > (CPE) are taking. >> >> Sunsetting Mailman sounds pretty hars

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > Good Morning, > > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner > feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on > the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering (CPE) are taki

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Peter Robinson
> > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to > > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the > > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering > > (CPE) are taking. > > Sunsetting Mailman sounds pretty harsh. Will Red Hat do the >

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > Good Morning, > > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner > feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on > the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering (CPE) are takin

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pierre-Yves Chibon: > We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to > garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the > Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering > (CPE) are taking. Sunsetting Mailman sounds pretty harsh. Will Red

Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-17 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
Good Morning, We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering (CPE) are taking. [1] https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/application-service-c