On 12/18/2017 03:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Does anyone read this as Mozilla admitting that they messed up?
This was published today:
https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/update-looking-glass-add/
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On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik
wrote:
>
> Can you point out to me which part indicates that Mozilla admits that they
> made a mistake. Sounds to me like they're just blaming the dumb users for
> not understanding how wonderful was "the experience [they] created".
>
Keeping with
Gerald B. Cox writes:
Everyone makes mistakes - this wasn't the first by Mozilla and won't be the
last. I don't believe
they are acting out of malice. As long as they admit and correct mistakes as
they go along
that is fine with me.
Here's the most complete statement from Mozilla that I
Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> IMHO requesting support for a build flag to disable this ability to
> remotely push executable code out to user's browser is not unreasonable,
I agree. There should be a single, properly documented build-time option to
disable all current and future features that downl
Chris Adams wrote:
> Are
> there any other packages that can silently download and run non-Fedora
> code?
The other web browsers. They'll silently download and run Javascript code from
pretty much every website. It's a crazy dangerous practice, but that genie
isn't going to go back into the bott
- Mail original -
De: "Adam Williamson"
> My mail is based on a belief that Mozilla is still one of the better
> actors we have to work with in the category of desktop browser
> suppliers,
Adam, I agree it's still one of the better actors, but the better actor bar
keeps lowering every
Dear all,
You are kindly invited to the meeting:
Modularity Office Hours on 2017-12-19 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern
At https://meet.jit.si/fedora-modularity
The meeting will be about:
This is where you ask the Fedora Modularity Team questions (and we try to
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Join us o
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Rich Mattes wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm planning on updating bullet to 2.87 in rawhide over the weekend.
> The following packages are affected:
>
> $ dnf repoquery --source --alldeps --whatrequires "bullet*"
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:37:51 ago on Tue 28 Nov
Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 12/18/2017 08:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > I don't remember being actively asked about such data collection, and
> > I've recently installed on a clean system, nightly on Fedora, and then
> > final releases of 57 on Windows and macOS. Does anyone have a screen
> > shot
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 22:36 +0100, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
> Is it surprising that the Mozilla foundation, that decided long ago
> that users were idiots that didn't know what they wanted, and
> reoriented itself to serve the cloud industry
I don't share this opinion at all. If Fedora a
Adam Williamson wrote:
> since then, a new sub-preference seems to have appeared, labelled
> 'Allow Firefox to install and run studies'.
In the Swedish translation the sub-preference doesn't even exist. There is no
second checkbox under the translation of "Allow Firefox to send technical and
int
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> Again, this is something I covered in my original mail. We distribute
> Firefox as the default browser to a large number of people who trust us
> to provide them with software. This gives us both a responsibility to
> our users and, pres
De: "Adam Williamson"
> I think we should be concerned by this kind of behaviour on the part of
> the supplier of our default desktop browser, and we should express that
> concern to them.
Adam,
We should understand that there is a whole software ecosystem that grew on the
Internet and free sof
On 12/18/2017 09:59 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Everyone makes mistakes - this wasn't the first by Mozilla and won't be the
last. I don't believe they are acting out of malice.
Of course not. But at some level, there is a deception involved:
Mozilla present a strong privacy focus for Firefox, b
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 12:59 -0800, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Adam Williamson <
> adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > > The only reason we are beating a dead horse is because you keep
> > > telling us that we shouldn't have beaten a dead horse in a way that
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Adam Williamson <
adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> > The only reason we are beating a dead horse is because you keep
> > telling us that we shouldn't have beaten a dead horse in a way that
> > requires us to explain why we are doing so. Look we understand..
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 15:48 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 18 December 2017 at 15:42, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> > > And in any case, a tie-in with a television-show related game is
> > > clearly neither telemetry nor some kind of user interaction study. Yet
> > > to me, Mozilla's response
On 18 December 2017 at 15:42, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>> And in any case, a tie-in with a television-show related game is
>> clearly neither telemetry nor some kind of user interaction study. Yet
>> to me, Mozilla's response does not seem to convey understanding of this
>> at all. It basically just
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017, Chris Adams wrote:
> the requires downloads to be useful. I think simply requiring Mozilla
> to change their policies is unacceptable, as this still depends on a
> third party to properly enforce such policies (and not have any security
> issue that could result in untrusted
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Adam Williamson <
adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 20:52 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>
> So I just booted Firefox 27 Workstation live and opened Firefox.
> Indeed, a pop-under tab appears with this URL (so you can close it
> without e
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 20:52 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 12/18/2017 08:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > I don't remember being actively asked about such data collection, and
> > I've recently installed on a clean system, nightly on Fedora, and then
> > final releases of 57 on Windows and macOS.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Gerald B. Cox said:
> > First of all, when you install Fx, it asks you specifically if you want
> to
> > participate in Fx Data Collection - you can opt out at that point.
>
> AFAIK, not when you install from an RPM.
>
> Se
Once upon a time, Gerald B. Cox said:
> First of all, when you install Fx, it asks you specifically if you want to
> participate in Fx Data Collection - you can opt out at that point.
AFAIK, not when you install from an RPM.
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On 12/18/2017 08:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I don't remember being actively asked about such data collection, and
I've recently installed on a clean system, nightly on Fedora, and then
final releases of 57 on Windows and macOS. Does anyone have a screen
shot or description of what this "ask" look
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 11:09 -0800, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>>
>> First of all, when you install Fx, it asks you specifically if you want to
>> participate in Fx Data Collection - you can opt out at that point.
>
> Well, not quite. I installed
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Adam Williamson <
adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 11:09 -0800, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> >
> > First of all, when you install Fx, it asks you specifically if you want
> to
> > participate in Fx Data Collection - you can opt out at that poin
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 11:09 -0800, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> First of all, when you install Fx, it asks you specifically if you want to
> participate in Fx Data Collection - you can opt out at that point.
Well, not quite. I installed Firefox rather a long time ago on this
system. Again I can't pro
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>
> Additionally, can we turn the "Allow firefox to install and run studies"
> preference to off/false by default in Fedora packages. It seems odd that
> this is now opt-out.
>
>
I don't know. I personally tend to side with upstream on their
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:42:17AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 12:34 -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> > > As part of a tie-in with an American TV show, Mozilla thought it'd be a
> > > great idea to silently install a cryptically-name
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:34:46PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> > As part of a tie-in with an American TV show, Mozilla thought it'd be a
> > great idea to silently install a cryptically-named addon in all(?)
> > Firefox deployments. Which can't be turned o
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> Well, practically speaking we do have to have *some* degree of trust in
> our suppliers for apps as large and complex as a web browser or, say,
> an office app.
True, but I do think there's a difference between trusting code we get
and trusting that they
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 12:34 -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> > As part of a tie-in with an American TV show, Mozilla thought it'd be a
> > great idea to silently install a cryptically-named addon in all(?)
> > Firefox deployments. Which can't be turned off.
>
On 12/18/2017 07:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Sure. A new release coming out affords many people in the pipeline many
chances to notice changes in it. The packager has the opportunity to
notice significant changes while updating the package. Users of
updates-testing have the opportunity to notic
On 12/18/2017 09:55 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
...snip...
>
> “Our goal with the custom experience we created with Mr. Robot was to
> engage our users in a fun and unique way,” a Mozilla representative
> said in a statement. “Real engagement also means listening to feedback.
> And so while the web
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> As part of a tie-in with an American TV show, Mozilla thought it'd be a
> great idea to silently install a cryptically-named addon in all(?)
> Firefox deployments. Which can't be turned off.
I thought that this was actually a violation of the packaging po
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 13:08 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 09:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I think we should be concerned by this kind of behaviour on the part of
> > the supplier of our default desktop browser, and we should express that
> > concern to them. As
On 18 December 2017 at 13:08, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 09:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> I think we should be concerned by this kind of behaviour on the part of
>> the supplier of our default desktop browser, and we should express that
>> concern to them. Assuming
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 09:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I think we should be concerned by this kind of behaviour on the part of
> the supplier of our default desktop browser, and we should express that
> concern to them. Assuming Fedora-as-a-project shares my concern, do we
> have a chan
So in case you haven't heard of it (or noticed about it), there was a
kerfuffle in Firefox land recently about this:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robot-arg-plugin-firefox-looking-glass
As part of a tie-in with an American TV show, Mozilla thought it'd be a
great idea to
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 03:06:35PM +0100, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
> Hi,
>
> if the timing is not good, then I can take the generated patch set
> and turn it into Pagure Pull Requests with a script. Packagers would
> be able to review/merge them during the holidays and we can merge
> the rest on Ja
- Original Message -
> From: "Spyros Trigazis"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Cc: "Dusty Mabe"
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:37:30 PM
> Subject: Introducing myself to Fedora
>
>
>
> Hello Fedora Developers,
>
> I would like to join the packagers group and I am sendin
On 12/16/2017 12:04 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Fedora 27 workstation. I'm getting selinux AVC denial messages in the
journal as a result of user-1000.journal having label
system_u:object_r:unlabeled_t:s0. It's the only log file with that
label, the other files and the directory its in have
system_u:
On 12/16/2017 05:37 PM, Spyros Trigazis wrote:
> Hello Fedora Developers,
>
> I would like to join the packagers group and I am sending you
> this email to introduce myself.
>
> My name is Spyros Trigazis and I'm currently working for the CERN [1]
> Cloud Infrastructure team [2]. More specifica
Hi,
if the timing is not good, then I can take the generated patch set and
turn it into Pagure Pull Requests with a script. Packagers would be able
to review/merge them during the holidays and we can merge the rest on
January 2nd. This is just a suggestion, let me know if it sounds like an
id
Missing expected images:
Server boot x86_64
Server dvd i386
Workstation live i386
Server dvd x86_64
Server boot i386
Kde live i386
Failed openQA tests: 51/106 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm)
New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20171217.n.0):
ID: 180966 Test: x86_64 universal install_delete
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 01:05:03PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
> zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
>
> > Dear fellow Fedora developers,
> >
> > I plan to execute part 2 of the renaming. First part was announced and
> > discussed here [1].
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
> Dear fellow Fedora developers,
>
> I plan to execute part 2 of the renaming. First part was announced and
> discussed here [1]. Recently, Iryna Shcherbina announced [2] plans for
> a follow up: changing the r
Hi,
> 4. There is a bug in EL7 that causes spectool not to process the resulting
> files. rpmbuild and mock work fine though. I
> added a -i switch to the macro that prints the resolved source url, you can
> then dump it in curl, wget or whatever in EL7.
> Alternatively, get someone to fix the E
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