Packaging:NamingGuidelines Re: DNF is completly unable to act with local packages

2015-11-17 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sáb, 2015-11-07 at 17:07 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:18:14 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > > Frankly I didn't even realize the 0.rc1.X scheme was against the > > guidelines since to me this is the (obviously) correct way to do it > > with > > predictable pre-relea

Lua 5.2

2015-11-17 Thread Germano Massullo
Hi, I would like to ask "lua" and "compat-lua" maintainers if it is possible to have a packaged 5.2 lua version. A use case? Upstream Darktable ships a bundled Lua version 5.2, and it is not compatible with Lua 5.3. Fedora's Darktable does not ship the bundled Lua to respect Fedora packaging rules.

Re: building conflicting packages from a single spec

2015-11-17 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2015-11-18 at 03:26 +, Pádraig Brady wrote: > Is $subject possible? Name:   VirtualBox Conflicts:  %{name}-guest <= %{version}-%{release} %package guest Conflicts:  %{name} <= %{version}-%{release} so you can't install VirtualBox and VirtualBox-guest at same time because the pack

Re: Variable expansion in COPR external URL?

2015-11-17 Thread Dave Johansen
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 17.10.2015 v 23:55 Dave Johansen napsal(a): > > How can I do a variable expansion that doesn't have - before and after? > I tried "slc${releasever}X" [1] and > > "slc$releaseverX" [2] but neither worked. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > [1]

[Test-Announce] Fedora 24 Rawhide 20151117 nightly compose nominated for testing

2015-11-17 Thread adamwill
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 24 Rawhide 20151117. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: building conflicting packages from a single spec

2015-11-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "PB" == Pádraig Brady writes: PB> Is $subject possible? I don't think so, since at the end of %install you have exactly one set of files in one buildroot. Still, I don't see a reason for the subpackages to actually conflict. PB> Are any other techniques possible? Install the binaries un

building conflicting packages from a single spec

2015-11-17 Thread Pádraig Brady
Is $subject possible? For example generating subpackages like: %{name}-small-but-slow-binaries %{name}-fast-but-big-binaries I can %prep and %install into separate areas, though was then wondering how to adjust the buildroot for subpackages? Are any other techniques possible? I suppose I cou

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 19:21 -0500, David Airlie wrote: > > > Maybe by renaming package maintainers to something like caretakers we could > start changing the way people who maintain packages view their positions. We actually already did that, but people haven't taken much notice. If you look in p

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "DA" == David Airlie writes: DA> This seems like a crappy technical solution to a social problem. I don't know; it seems to be more discoverable than the current state, where either you just commit and hope. And yeah, I'm relatively thick skinned but I still don't like to get flamed by a

Re: Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread David Airlie
> > tl; dr: I have submitted the following RFE for pkgdb: > https://github.com/fedora-infra/pkgdb2/issues/274 > Please add comments there if you have any. > > I know I'm not the only provenpackager to have applied a bugfix to > someone's package only to be yelled at it for it. Some maintainers

Dealing with the "my packages" problem

2015-11-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
tl; dr: I have submitted the following RFE for pkgdb: https://github.com/fedora-infra/pkgdb2/issues/274 Please add comments there if you have any. I know I'm not the only provenpackager to have applied a bugfix to someone's package only to be yelled at it for it. Some maintainers are more prick

Re: Attempting to contact unresponsive maintainer - oschreib

2015-11-17 Thread Douglas Schilling Landgraf
Adding Juan into the loop. He might be interested. On 11/17/2015 01:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for this package maintainer is no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested in maintaini

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:39:24PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > 1) Reduce disk space usage. While disk space on physical devices is > becoming trivially cheap, disk space on Cloud deployments and rented > virtual servers is still comparatively very expensive. We really want > to minimize the a

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "DW" == Dan Williams writes: DW> Could you confirm what NetworkManager-* packages are installed on DW> F23 server? On my custom install (which just lists the packages I need in my kickstart file) I have: NetworkManager-glib-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64 NetworkManager-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64 NetworkMan

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > b'NetworkManager': 138 NM does have a larger dep-chain than we'd like, however we did split the package apart a couple releases ago and made sure that WWAN, WiFi, and Bluetooth were no longer required for the server cases. Could you co

Re: FedRTC.org SIP and XMPP service - help needed

2015-11-17 Thread Nikos Roussos
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: Fedora Talk was based on Asterisk. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Asterisk Asterisk has lots of great features (voicemail, queues, etc) but it is mainly for voice, it emphasizes SIP and at the time it was also quite bad with I

Re: ansible in Fedora 23+ (python3)

2015-11-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-10-13 at 22:21 -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote: > > Does anyone have a good solution for this? Obviously it would be nice > if ansible went to python3 but I think they have stated clearly that > they are sticking with python2 for backwards compat with systems that > still need 2.4. FWIW, as

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:09:50PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: > > > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the > > > system is a virtual machine,

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2015 05:00 AM, Stef Walter wrote: > On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the >> Reply-To.) >> >> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install >> is Way T

Re: Quick proposal for making packager sponsorship slightly easier

2015-11-17 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "H" == Haïkel writes: H> It's all the more important then to formalize requirements from new H> packagers like having done two quality reviews and link them back to H> their first package tickets. That's sort of an orthogonal issues, but honestly I don't believe anything should be require

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2015 03:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: >>> Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether >>> the syst

Fedora Rawhide 20151117 compose check report

2015-11-17 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Cloud disk raw i386 Cloud_atomic disk raw x86_64 Workstation live x86_64 Workstation live i386 Minimal disk raw armhfp Kde disk raw armhfp Cloud disk raw x86_64 No images in this compose but not Rawhide 20151116 Images in Rawhide 20151116 but not this: Games live i386 -

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: > > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the > > system is a virtual machine, and automatically select for installation > > the _appropriate_ guest ag

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote: > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the > system is a virtual machine, and automatically select for installation > the _appropriate_ guest agents for the detected hypervisor, rather > than _all_ of them, b

Re: What's the current status of mp3-licensing issues?

2015-11-17 Thread Thomas Daede
On 11/15/2015 10:34 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > My understand is that Opus excels at lower bitrates; above 100 Vorbis is > better. Opus is always better - but at high bitrates, artifacts become so imperceptible that it doesn't matter too much which codec you pick, so you might still pick Vorbis for

Re: Reminder: Fedora 21 end of life on 2015-12-01

2015-11-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 08:48:12 -0500 Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Greetings. > > > > This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora > > 21. > > > > Fedora 21 will reach end of life on 2015-12-01, and no further > > updates will be

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/17/2015 06:25 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 17/11/15 18:11, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 11/17/2015 05:55 PM, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: >>> My impression is that by default in fedora, virt-manager runs as >>> non-root. I guess it might ask for the root password in order to >>> manage the libvirtd tha

Attempting to contact unresponsive maintainer - oschreib

2015-11-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings, we've been told that the email addresses for this package maintainer is no longer valid. I'm starting the unresponsive maintainer policy to find out if they are still interested in maintaining their packages (and if so, have them update their email addresses in FAS). If they're not int

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Tom Hughes
On 17/11/15 18:11, Andrew Haley wrote: On 11/17/2015 05:55 PM, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: My impression is that by default in fedora, virt-manager runs as non-root. I guess it might ask for the root password in order to manage the libvirtd that runs as privileged mode, but even in that case the use

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Joonas Sarajärvi
2015-11-17 20:07 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald : > depends on what the application is supposed to do and if you want a global > setup instead only in the userhome for every user > > installing in your userhome has another disadvantage: you are running all > day long a application writeable by your user a

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/17/2015 05:55 PM, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: > My impression is that by default in fedora, virt-manager runs as > non-root. I guess it might ask for the root password in order to > manage the libvirtd that runs as privileged mode, but even in that > case the user interface would run as your norm

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2015 um 19:04 schrieb Joonas Sarajärvi: 2015-11-17 19:56 GMT+02:00 Florian Weimer : Doesn't most proprietary software come with GUI installers? No idea if "most" are, but at least I have seen many proprietary programs that do not require a GUI in installation. Also in many cases wh

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Joonas Sarajärvi
2015-11-17 19:56 GMT+02:00 Florian Weimer : > Doesn't most proprietary software come with GUI installers? No idea if "most" are, but at least I have seen many proprietary programs that do not require a GUI in installation. Also in many cases where there is a GUI installer, it works just fine as a

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2015 um 18:56 schrieb Florian Weimer: On 10/30/2015 10:48 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: Anyone running any X (or wayland) application as root in their desktop session is completely bonkers and deserves every consequence of their poor decision. Doesn't most proprietary software come with GU

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Joonas Sarajärvi
Hi, 2015-11-17 19:30 GMT+02:00 Andrew Haley : > And I have no idea how to run things like virt-manager without root. My impression is that by default in fedora, virt-manager runs as non-root. I guess it might ask for the root password in order to manage the libvirtd that runs as privileged mode,

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Florian Weimer
On 10/30/2015 10:48 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > Anyone running any X (or wayland) application as root in their desktop > session is completely bonkers and deserves every consequence of their > poor decision. Doesn't most proprietary software come with GUI installers? Florian -- devel mailing list

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-17 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/02/2015 03:05 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > But, why take the risk exposure, when you could simply not? How else would I edit root-owned files? I don't get it. I mean, I guess I could run an editor in a text window, but I don't want to do that. And I have no idea how to run things like virt-m

Fedora Rawhide 20151116 compose check report

2015-11-17 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Cloud disk raw i386 Cloud_atomic disk raw x86_64 Workstation live x86_64 Workstation live i386 Minimal disk raw armhfp Kde disk raw armhfp Cloud disk raw x86_64 Images in this compose but not Rawhide 20151115: Games live x86_64 Lxde live x86_64 Images in Rawhide 2015111

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2015 11:16 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> 10 Longest dependency chains b'abrt-addon-python3': >> 170 b'abrt-retrace-client': 171 b'abrt-addon-pstoreoops': 171 >> b'abrt-ad

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 17/11/15 01:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.) > > To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way > Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora > Server install media) is also Too

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > 10 Longest dependency chains > b'abrt-addon-python3': 170 > b'abrt-retrace-client': 171 > b'abrt-addon-pstoreoops': 171 > b'abrt-addon-ccpp': 183 > b'abrt-addon-vmcore': 190 > b'rolekit': 196 > b'abrt-cli': 214 > b'cockpit': 2

Self Introduction: Oyvind Albrigtsen

2015-11-17 Thread Oyvind Albrigtsen
Hi, I am the new resource-agents maintainer at Red Hat taking over for David Vossel. I am looking for a sponsor, so I can maintain the Fedora version as well. My Review Request can be found at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1268228 Regards Oyvind Albrigtsen Software Engineer R

Re: Guidelines unclear for unretire of a branch

2015-11-17 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Haïkel wrote: > > It has been retired because it's in RHEL7, hence it can't be shipped > in EPEL (cf. pkgdb) Ahh, I've mostly been concentrating on el6 trying to unbundle as much as I can from freeimage while addressing the CVE on it. So I can cancel that reques

Re: Guidelines unclear for unretire of a branch

2015-11-17 Thread Haïkel
2015-11-17 15:02 GMT+01:00 Richard Shaw : > I would like to unretire the epel7 branch of LibRaw, per the guidelines[1] > this woudl require a re-review, but that would only make sense if the whole > package was retired, not an epel branch. > > Why would we re-review something that still have active

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Nov 17, 2015 01:25, "Martijn Ras" wrote: > > What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space. > > I know, this strips copyright headers. > > Maybe the minimal packages can be split in two, by moving the comments t

Guidelines unclear for unretire of a branch

2015-11-17 Thread Richard Shaw
I would like to unretire the epel7 branch of LibRaw, per the guidelines[1] this woudl require a re-review, but that would only make sense if the whole package was retired, not an epel branch. Why would we re-review something that still have active branches (specifically rawhide)? Thanks, Richard

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:39:24PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Largest 10 packages > 14288083: coreutils > 14486819: glibc > 18024040: kernel-modules > 27253403: systemd I've been working on making systemd packaging slightly more modular: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/syst

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs, of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Michael Hampton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/16/2015 08:39 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > With these two goals in mind, the most obvious approach to improving > this situation would be by reducing the number of packages installed > by default on the Minimal and Fedora Server installs. As

rawhide report: 20151117 changes

2015-11-17 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Nov 17 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [APLpy] python3-APLpy-1.0-2.fc23.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:3.4 [IQmol] IQmol-2.3.0-9.fc24.i686 requires libboost_serialization.so.1.58.0 IQmo

Re: Quick proposal for making packager sponsorship slightly easier

2015-11-17 Thread Haïkel
2015-11-17 2:42 GMT+01:00 Jason L Tibbitts III : > I recently filed https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1499 with the > goal of making the process just a bit simpler for new packagers. The text of > my proposal follows. Please make sure that substantial comments are > made on the ticket to ensu

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Stef Walter
On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.) > > To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way > Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora > Server install media) is also To

Re: Some analysis on the size of the minimal and Server installs of Fedora 23

2015-11-17 Thread Martijn Ras
What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space. I know, this strips copyright headers. Maybe the minimal packages can be split in two, by moving the comments to a separate package? -- devel mailing list devel@list