Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 02.01.2015 um 21:05 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: >> >> Here, GUIs _as a category_ (not necessarily the GUIs we are currently >> providing) should always be better than CLIs _as a category_ simply because >> the GUI can in the worst case just

Re: Where is yaws?

2015-01-02 Thread Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado
was retired because were having multiple failed builds from fedora 15 see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=843203 2015-01-03 2:28 GMT-04:30 Christopher Meng : > Hi, > > I'd like to know why yaws was retired as it's a Web server still being > used by many people, can someone tell me wha

Where is yaws?

2015-01-02 Thread Christopher Meng
Hi, I'd like to know why yaws was retired as it's a Web server still being used by many people, can someone tell me what happened there in the past? I feel unaccountably unhappy when I see that almost other major distributions ship it still with the latest 1.99 version however I can only install

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Hughes wrote: >> It seems that many command line utilities in Security spin can be >> considered applications since security spin provides .desktop files and >> icons for many of them! > > No, we ignore any with the ConsoleOnly hint. But why is an interactive TUI with a .desktop file not

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > Apart from the "Application" discussion, I really like to see a new > "Development Libraries" concept in Gnome software just like Fonts and > Input sources, which lets a developer to look for libraries and rate > them. Some of them can even have screenshots: GUI libraries

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.01.2015 um 21:05 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: Here, GUIs _as a category_ (not necessarily the GUIs we are currently providing) should always be better than CLIs _as a category_ simply because the GUI can in the worst case just copy the CLI layout and behavior so it will not be worse than a C

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Les Howell wrote: My question, then would be what about applications that require input at startup? How does this fit with the practice of chainables such as grep -n temp *| tail -f | tee > foo.txt The original premise of *nix systems was to have tools that di

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 02/01/15 01:15 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Probably true, but it already includes fonts and input sources. So, someone has felt that 'front-end applications only' is too narrow. Now, where you can draw the line? I exaggerated. Did you try that? The problem with searching for "C++" is t

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Les Howell
On Fri, 2015-01-02 at 10:47 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 1 January 2015 at 22:25, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > > it's just funny that something like gedit and > > Windows notepad can be considered 'applications' but GCC can't! > > We're using this definition here: > https://github.com/hughsie/

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 2 January 2015 at 13:30, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2015-01-02 at 12:36 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On 2 January 2015 at 06:48, Richard Hughes > > wrote: > > > > > On 2 January 2015 at 11:45, Hedayat Vatankhah < > > > hedayat@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Yes, I know. And I s

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Luya Tshimbalanga*/ wrote on Fri, 02 Jan 2015 12:25:49 -0800: On 01/01/15 04:21 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Well, I was really surprised that developers are considered a target audience here. GNOME Software *might* be considered good enough for normal users, but its far from usable for

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/02/2015 08:48 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: Okay, lets do a thought experiment. Is a console application anything that exists in /usr/bin? If not, what additional rules are required for a "sane" set? Are all files in /usr/bin "applications"? Actually, yes, I believe that every one of them se

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2015-01-02 at 12:36 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 2 January 2015 at 06:48, Richard Hughes > wrote: > > > On 2 January 2015 at 11:45, Hedayat Vatankhah < > > hedayat@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, I know. And I say that it might be OK for a "GNOME > > > Application", but > >

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 01/01/15 04:21 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Well, I was really surprised that developers are considered a target audience here. GNOME Software *might* be considered good enough for normal users, but its far from usable for a developer; even a developer who don't want to touch the termina

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Richard Hughes */ wrote on Fri, 2 Jan 2015 13:48:51 +: On 2 January 2015 at 11:45, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Yes, I know. And I say that it might be OK for a "GNOME Application", but doesn't seem to be OK for Fedora application. There's no such thing as a "Fedora application". Maybe

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Miloslav Trmač
- Original Message - > well, and that is why there are tasks you *can * do 1000 times more > better in a terminal or in a 3-liner shell script with one or two params > and others where you are much faster using the GUI > > this world is grey > > hence everybody start using Linux should *k

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 2 January 2015 at 06:48, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 2 January 2015 at 11:45, Hedayat Vatankhah > wrote: > > Yes, I know. And I say that it might be OK for a "GNOME Application", but > > doesn't seem to be OK for Fedora application. > > There's no such thing as a "Fedora application". > > Wher

Review Request: python-sane

2015-01-02 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi, python-pillow split off the sane library into a separate project, review request for the package is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178191 Happy to review in exchange. Thanks, Sandro -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 January 2015 at 11:45, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > Yes, I know. And I say that it might be OK for a "GNOME Application", but > doesn't seem to be OK for Fedora application. There's no such thing as a "Fedora application". > It seems that many command line utilities in Security spin can be co

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Richard Hughes */ wrote on Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:47:21 +: On 1 January 2015 at 22:25, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: it's just funny that something like gedit and Windows notepad can be considered 'applications' but GCC can't! We're using this definition here: https://github.com/hughsie/appst

rawhide report: 20150102 changes

2015-01-02 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Jan 2 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [aeskulap] aeskulap-0.2.2-0.19beta1.fc22.i686 requires libofstd.so.3.6 aesku

Re: CLI tools in Gnome Software?

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 1 January 2015 at 22:25, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > it's just funny that something like gedit and > Windows notepad can be considered 'applications' but GCC can't! We're using this definition here: https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib#what-is-an-application > Certainly, the concept of 'c

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Richard Hughes
On 2 January 2015 at 10:02, Alec Leamas wrote: > Here is a some common ground, indeed. Seems that we agree on that installing > CLI stuff is something that should be handled in a developer-oriented > workstation If you're using gcc, you're using a terminal. We supply two command line package mana

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2015-01-02 Thread Alec Leamas
On 31/12/14 16:25, Richard Hughes wrote: On 30 December 2014 at 23:31, Chris Murphy wrote: b.) Would it be helpful, friendlier, and better emphasize the special focus, if these group install items mentioned above were exposed in GNOME Software with an appropriate icon? We could do this righ