Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/12/2014 08:25 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:17:45 +0100, Satyajit Sahoo wrote: Wireless is a requirement for laptops. For example, Macbook Air doesn't have an ethernet port. s/requirement for laptops/requirement for Macbook Air/ No. These days, many (esp. low-end) note

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Satyajit Sahoo
Okay, forget Macbook Air. I don't have ethernet at my office, and it's the only place where I have internet. What can I do then? Wireless might not be a strict requirement, but still essential. Also, why did Macbook Air come to the "Not laptop" category? On 12 December 2014 at 12:55, Jan Kratoch

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:17:45 +0100, Satyajit Sahoo wrote: > Wireless is a requirement for laptops. For example, Macbook Air doesn't > have an ethernet port. s/requirement for laptops/requirement for Macbook Air/ Sure the installer could be improved but slightly differently (soft warning if there

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Satyajit Sahoo
Wireless is a requirement for laptops. For example, Macbook Air doesn't have an ethernet port. On 12 December 2014 at 12:44, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 01:37:52 +0100, john.tiger wrote: > > 2) If key requirement is missing / insufficient then pop > > suggestion - if it's a non

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 01:37:52 +0100, john.tiger wrote: > 2) If key requirement is missing / insufficient then pop > suggestion - if it's a non shipping proprietary issue, then provide popup > dialog info and links to get problem solved - none of the current "go look > it up" - needs the right info r

is it possible to skip a noarch subpackage on certains archs (arm)

2014-12-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, I have a package (a C++ library), which generated doxygen documentation during build. The documentation lands in a noarch -doc subpackage, the rest in the main package or in subpackages, all arch-ed. The problem is that generating the documentation takes forever (6+ hours) on arm. The arch-ed

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 22:26:50 -0500, Corey Sheldon wrote: also, seeing as much of that is in the Install Guide and/or release notes it is expected the user will check that and that extra documentation on the live takes up space fast and size constraints do exist for ISOs Most of the lives

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-11 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Is there an upvote mechanism for that? I'd like to join the chorus if I can. ;-) On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: >> I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not >> amused when I noticed this: >> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/c

Qwt and QwtPolar for Qt5?

2014-12-11 Thread Dave Johansen
I would like to create Qwt and QwtPolar packages for Qt5 and before opening the Bugzilla I wanted to check if there was any feedback on here. I have spec files and source RPMs available at: https://daveisfera.fedorapeople.org/qwt-qt5/qwt-qt5.spec https://daveisfera.fedorapeople.org/qwt-qt5/qwt-qt5-

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Corey Sheldon
also, seeing as much of that is in the Install Guide and/or release notes it is expected the user will check that and that extra documentation on the live takes up space fast and size constraints do exist for ISOs Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor 310.909.7672 www.fac

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Kofler wrote: > I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not > amused when I noticed this: > http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/firewalld.git/tree/FedoraWorkstation.xml >> >> > This "firewall" is a joke! ALL higher ports are wide open! FESCo ticket filed: http

Re: Other download options

2014-12-11 Thread Andrew Clayton
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:46:18 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: > You can use the server netinst iso the same as a generic netinst. > But it looks like you'll have to get the packages over the network. > There's no iso with packages on it. So either mirror the packages > you need or download them during i

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Radek Holy wrote: > I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very > grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or > DNF currently or how would you like to use it. One thing I do twice a year, whenever I upgrade to a new Fedora release, is to f

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 - 18:25 UTC)

2014-12-11 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
Dear developers, On 12/12/2014 01:27 AM, James Antill wrote: > == > #fedora-meeting-1: fpc > == > > > Meeting started by geppetto at 17:01:37 UTC. The full logs are available > at > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-12-11/fpc.2014-12-1

Re: Review swaps

2014-12-11 Thread Mukundan Ragavan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/11/2014 08:04 PM, Sandro Mani wrote: > Hi, > > Some packages needing review. All pretty simple cmake/qmake stuff: > > - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1173373 - qtspell - > Spell checking for Qt text widgets [*] - > https://bugzi

Review swaps

2014-12-11 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi, Some packages needing review. All pretty simple cmake/qmake stuff: - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1173373 - qtspell - Spell checking for Qt text widgets [*] - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1173378 - osgearth - Dynamic map generation toolkit for OpenSceneGraph -

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
2014-12-12 2:37 GMT+02:00 john.tiger : > Am willing to work on this - can mock up the input screens - just point > the direction of how to help > Then you should get in touch with the Anaconda team: fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admi

Re: Other download options

2014-12-11 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/11/2014 04:45 PM, Andrew Clayton wrote: My usual way for updating/installing was to download the netinst and DVD install images. Then with netinst, install using the DVD image over NFS. I guess that's now out the window? What would be the nearest equivalent thing? You can use the server

Re: Other download options

2014-12-11 Thread Andrew Clayton
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:37:54 +0100, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 09:52 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > > Workstation isn't suitable; they > > aren't developers (yet). Server and Cloud are definitely right out. > > I don't want a Live CD; I want to actually install. (In the past,

Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-11 Thread john.tiger
As an AI guy, it's been frustrating that installing Fedora on my Macbook has been 3 days and counting, a living hell, and still not right (still can't get wireless to work not having eth0 available) - I've come to realize the installer is "stupid" from an intelligence standpoint. Installing Fe

Re: CSS on getfedora.org (was: Other download options)

2014-12-11 Thread Felix Miata
Reindl Harald composed on 2014-12-11 11:44 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata composed: >> [ re: https://getfedora.org/ ] >> Reindl Harald composed on 2014-12-11 01:06 (UTC+0100): >>> Felix Miata composed: Actions speak louder than words. The need to zoom 3X-6X to reach legible a legible stat

Planned Outage: Updates and Migrations - 2014-12-15, 2014-12-16, 2014-12-17 22UTC

2014-12-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Planned Outage: Updates and Migrations - 2014-12-15, 2014-12-16, 2014-12-17 22UTC There will be 3 outages, each starting at 22UTC on 2014-12-15, 2014-12-16, and 2014-12-17 which will last approximately 4 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 09:06:46AM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 12/11/2014 02:57 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >This is definitely a thing which is needed. > > > >Also: > > > >http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/half-baked-idea-content-addressable-web-proxy/#content > > > I did read that. It'

Heads up! Fedora 21 and Ejabberd

2014-12-11 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! I'm really sad to say that but I overlooked a very nasty upgrade issue while updating Ejabberd up to a very recent version. As a result it's barely working now (at least some perfectly valid configurations are now refusing connections) and what is even worse *it will wipe out all the da

Heads up: F21 LLVM rebase

2014-12-11 Thread Adam Jackson
I've started staging an LLVM 3.5 rebase in F21. I hope to have everything built by this Friday and the update available in testing by Monday. Test feedback would be particularly appreciated on secondary arches and radeonsi 3D hardware. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/11/2014 02:57 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is definitely a thing which is needed. Also: http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/half-baked-idea-content-addressable-web-proxy/#content I did read that. It's one step beyond what I have, but how does the hash get sent? The client would

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 05:15:25PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > I quite often start new instances from images in Cloud (either > OpenStack or EC2) and do "yum upgrade". But because root partition is > very limited (e.g. 3GB) and "yum upgrade" needs XX MB of additional > space I need to manually r

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 12/11/2014 12:56 PM, Dan Horák wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:32 -0800 > Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: >>> I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora >>> machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to >>> 10GB

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Preupgrade Assistant

2014-12-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 15:06:25 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained: Preupgrade Assistant = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Preupgrade_Assistant Change owner(s): Petr Hracek The Preugrade Assistant is a tool to help people upgrade from one release to another and b

Re: Is ARM productized?

2014-12-11 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 15:21 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > Having some hard time to discover the ARM F21 image at the new website. > > Is the link somewhere and I completely missed it? > > > > I found the ARM images directly fro

Re: fedup speed

2014-12-11 Thread drago01
On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 12/11/2014 09:30 AM, drago01 wrote: > >> Does not seem like you added anything on this site ... >> > > Caching issue. Refresh the page a few times, or login, and it will show up. > > Ah indeed nm then. -- devel mailing list devel@li

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 12/09/2014 06:28 PM, Radek Holy wrote: > Dear users of YUM and DNF, > > I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very > grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF > currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly intere

Re: fedup speed

2014-12-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 12/11/2014 09:30 AM, drago01 wrote: Does not seem like you added anything on this site ... Caching issue. Refresh the page a few times, or login, and it will show up. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Con

Re: fedup speed

2014-12-11 Thread drago01
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 08:05:42AM +0100, drago01 wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:51:51PM -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >> Josh Stone writes: >

Re: fedup speed

2014-12-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 08:05:42AM +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:51:51PM -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > >> Josh Stone writes: > >> > >> >On 12/10/2014 11:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> >

F22 Self Contained Change: Preupgrade Assistant

2014-12-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained: Preupgrade Assistant = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Preupgrade_Assistant Change owner(s): Petr Hracek The Preugrade Assistant is a tool to help people upgrade from one release to another and be sure to track important manual configuration changes they perf

F22 System Wide Change: Perl 5.20

2014-12-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Perl 5.20 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/perl5.20 Change owner(s): Jitka Plesníková , Petr Písař A new perl 5.20 version brings a lot of changes done over a year of development. See 5.20.0 perldelta [1] for more details. == Detailed Description == Ne

F22 System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use libinput

2014-12-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use libinput = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg Change owner(s): Hans de Goede Replace the current (low-level) input xorg drivers with libinput using the xorg-x11-drv-libinput wrapper. == Detailed Description == C

lirc: so-name bump

2014-12-11 Thread Alec Leamas
I have pushed a new version 0.9.2 of lirc to rawhide. It changes the so-name from 2:1:2 to 3:0:3 . I'm sorry for not notifying in advance, I just missed it. This is upwards-compatible change, so while there is a need to rebuild it can wait for some time. The following apps are affected:

lirc: so-name bump

2014-12-11 Thread Alec Leamas
I have pushed a new version 0.9.2 of lirc to rawhide. It changes the so-name from 2:1:2 to 3:0:3 . I'm sorry for not notifying in advance, I just missed it. This is upwards-compatible change, so while there is a need to rebuild it can wait for some time. The following apps are affected:

License change: lirc

2014-12-11 Thread Alec Leamas
Current version in rawhide is (GPLv2 and MIT). As of 0.9.0, the license was plain GPLv2. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

rawhide report: 20141211 changes

2014-12-11 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Dec 11 05:15:02 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [3Depict] 3Depict-0.0.16-3.fc22.i686 requires libmgl.so.7.2.0 [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [bibletime] bi

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 06:03:49AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: > There's absolutely no way that firewalld is going to be anything but a > Fedora-only thing, which is a first problem in getting any patches to > upstream projects. Which is the first problem. Well, it's a CentOS and RHEL thing, and

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Dan Horák
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:32 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora > > machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to > > 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds ve

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:20:32PM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > >I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines > >use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all > >system upgrades and mock builds

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 17:28, Radek Holy wrote: > Dear users of YUM and DNF, > > I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very > grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF > currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly i

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > On 10 December 2014 at 11:47, Bastien Nocera wrote: > >> I see no > >> explanation of why rygel needs a random port or why it cannot supply > >> that information to firewalld. The same goes for any others that have > >> random ports. > > > > Because that's the mec

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:03:58AM +0400, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:56:43PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you > >> are after: > >> > >> (1) v

Re: Other download options

2014-12-11 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hi Alexander. On Thu, 2014-12-11 at 08:21 +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > Sorry to cut in, but whom can I contact about localization issues with > the getfedora.org website? Please contact the websites team via their mailing list or trac instance: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: Other download options

2014-12-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.12.2014 um 05:32 schrieb Felix Miata: [ re: https://getfedora.org/ ] Reindl Harald composed on 2014-12-11 01:06 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata composed: Actions speak louder than words. The need to zoom 3X-6X to reach legible a legible state belies "polished, easy to use". no need to zoo

Re: PackageKit refresh(?) is wiping out local repositories and changing owner to root

2014-12-11 Thread Remi Collet
Le 30/11/2014 01:20, Sandro Mani a écrit : > Hi, > > Today it happened a handful of times that my local rpm repository got > wiped out (except for the repodata folder), and owner/group changed to > root/root (including the repodata folder). After playing around a bit, I > noticed that a > Same b

Re: Selinux and pbuilder

2014-12-11 Thread Sandro Mani
On 11.12.2014 01:13, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Sandro Mani wrote: Hi, Before digging around more, though I'd check here if some debian+selinux experienced person has any ideas... I'm encountering two kinds of failure when using pbuilder which seem selinux relat