Re: Maybe it is time to move tools to Python 3.x?

2014-12-04 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
Hi, On 12/04/2014 02:30 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 08:13:42PM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: >> When I worked at Canonical there was a goal to move both internal and >> public tools to Python 3.x version. IIRC started somewhere around 12.04 >> and today when you look at

Power Consumption

2014-12-04 Thread john.tiger
sorry for late response to all your feedback , been off-grid ( rural AZ + ATT => fail ) @owen - thks for feedback re backlighting - got dimming set via xfce power settings - dimming seems about same as osx but power use still sucks (4 hrs) so something is missing - have noticed there seems n

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Michael DePaulo
On Dec 4, 2014 9:39 AM, "Matthew Miller" wrote: > > While I'm waiting for an RC5 test install to complete... :) > > At yesterday's FESCo meeting, while discussing the Fedora 22 schedule, > Stephen Gallagher suggested the idea of moving to a release schedule > modeled after Intel's "tick-tock" mode

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Christopher
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:39:35AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > [tick tock] would mean alternating between concentrating on release > > features and on release engineering and QA process and tooling. Dur

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-04 Thread Alec Leamas
On 01/12/14 12:26, Alec Leamas wrote: While we're on it (in the form "how many devs do we have"): How hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate on the # of users, per package? [cut] Some 50 messages later... and stopping by Ben's question about which are the questions w

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.12.2014 um 19:57 schrieb Adam Jackson: I think it's a bit misguided to even think of these things as related. "Polish" in an end-user-visible sense is itself a list of tasks and criteria that require dedicated attention, preferably from someone with the breadth of experience and lack of fe

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 09:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > For us, that would mean alternating between concentrating on release > features and on release engineering and QA process and tooling. During > the "tick", we'd focus on new features and minimize unrelated rel-eng > change. During the "toc

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 11:02:28AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >For us, that would mean alternating between concentrating on release > >features and on release engineering and QA process and tooling. During > >the "tick", we'd focus on new features and minimize unrelated rel-eng > >change. Duri

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
As a user/re-mixer, I don't like it. I'm at the point now where I need a rolling release. I can live with a six-month or eight-month lag between desktop updates, but I can't live without regular updates to R and R packages, PostgreSQL/PostGIS, QGIS, the Python data science tools, etc. And I'm runni

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 21 Final status is Go, release on December 9, 2014

2014-12-04 Thread Digimer
\o/ Thanks everyone! digimer On 04/12/14 01:21 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: At the Fedora 21 Final Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 21 Final by Fedora QA, Release Engineering and Development. Fedora 21 will be publicly available on Tuesday, December 09, 2

[Test-Announce] Fedora 21 Final status is Go, release on December 9, 2014

2014-12-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
At the Fedora 21 Final Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 21 Final by Fedora QA, Release Engineering and Development. Fedora 21 will be publicly available on Tuesday, December 09, 2014. Meeting details can be seen here: Minutes: http://bit.ly/1yjG357 Log: htt

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 09:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > What do you think? Would this help towards the goals listed above? > Would it help _other_ things? What downsides would it bring? I think it is not useful to set up a general mechanism of alternating releases and borrow a name for it bef

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Ben Cotton
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I think when developing goals for releases we look for conflicts and defer > some things where there is a potential conflict. We'd want to make sure that > desired goals eventually get done and not keep deferring the same goal > repeatedly

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:39:35 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: For us, that would mean alternating between concentrating on release features and on release engineering and QA process and tooling. During the "tick", we'd focus on new features and minimize unrelated rel-eng change. During the "to

Re: karma and Bodhi elections

2014-12-04 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2014-12-04 at 03:14 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: > Hi, > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/firefox-34.0-1.fc20,thunderbird-31.3.0-1.fc20 > are already to be push to stable without passing to test repo . > > But for what I see: "stable karma: 0" it shouldn't be pulled to stable > even

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.12.2014 um 16:48 schrieb drago01: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: +1 for the proposal in general from me because i am one of them suggesting for years that every second release should have the focus on bugfixes / polish / get large features from the previous release

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread drago01
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 04.12.2014 um 15:46 schrieb Richard Hughes: >> >> On 4 December 2014 at 14:39, Matthew Miller wrote: >>> >>> including holding GNOME and other showcase software to the same >>> version. >> >> >> I think that would be *very* unpopular wit

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 09:39:35AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > [tick tock] would mean alternating between concentrating on release > features and on release engineering and QA process and tooling. During > the "tick", we'd focus on new features and minimize unrelated rel-eng > change. During the

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-04 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 12:26:11PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dne 3.12.2014 v 08:47 Michel Alexandre Salim napsal(a): > > At the risk of jumping in, here's my own 2 cents on the subject... > > > > On 12/03/2014 12:30 AM, Stephen John Smoogen

Re: Nonresponsive maintainer (invalid email address): Chris Lockfort (clock...@redhat.com)

2014-12-04 Thread David Shea
On 12/04/2014 07:55 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 12/03/2014 10:51 PM, David Shea wrote: Through some series of accidents, the python-pyudev package in Fedora is assigned to clock...@redhat.com. This account has been closed since at least early 2013. The email address isn't "invalid" exactly in

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.12.2014 um 15:46 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 4 December 2014 at 14:39, Matthew Miller wrote: including holding GNOME and other showcase software to the same version. I think that would be *very* unpopular with the desktop team you should not stop read before answer because the followi

Re: "Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Richard Hughes
On 4 December 2014 at 14:39, Matthew Miller wrote: > including holding GNOME and other showcase software to the same > version. I think that would be *very* unpopular with the desktop team. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listi

"Tick-tock" release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Matthew Miller
While I'm waiting for an RC5 test install to complete... :) At yesterday's FESCo meeting, while discussing the Fedora 22 schedule, Stephen Gallagher suggested the idea of moving to a release schedule modeled after Intel's "tick-tock" model for CPUs, where they alternate between new architectures

Re: Nonresponsive maintainer (invalid email address): Chris Lockfort (clock...@redhat.com)

2014-12-04 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 12/03/2014 10:51 PM, David Shea wrote: Through some series of accidents, the python-pyudev package in Fedora is assigned to clock...@redhat.com. This account has been closed since at least early 2013. The email address isn't "invalid" exactly in that emails won't bounce, but it is a black ho

rawhide report: 20141204 changes

2014-12-04 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Dec 4 05:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [3Depict] 3Depict-0.0.16-3.fc22.i686 requires libmgl.so.7.2.0 [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [cab] cab-0.1.

F-21 Branched report: 20141204 changes

2014-12-04 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Dec 4 07:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [avro] avro-mapred-1.7.5-9.fc21.noarch requires hadoop-mapreduce avro-mapred-1.7.5-9.fc21.noarch requires hadoop-client [openstack-nova] openstac

Re: Maybe it is time to move tools to Python 3.x?

2014-12-04 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > W dniu 03.12.2014 o 20:30, Matthew Miller pisze: > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 08:13:42PM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > >> When I worked at Canonical there was a goal to move both internal and > >> public tools to Python 3.x version. IIRC started somewhere around 1