Re: Fedora 21 Changes Freeze in two weeks - 2014-07-08

> I'm not very familiar with the Fedora release schedule and how closely > related it is with gcc, but in the odb package that I'm the maintainer for > there appears to be a bug with the devirtualization that is claimed to be on > the roadmap for a fix in 4.9.1 ( > http://www.codesynthesis.com/pipe

Self Introduction: David Nichols

Hello, My name is David Nichols, and I'm the author of the Qore programming language. I've recently made a package submission request to Fedora for Qore, which is under review here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=691 I've been running fedora (and before that redhat) for many ye

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21 v3

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:31:18AM +0700, Dmitrij S. Kryzhevich wrote: > > Package(co)maintainers > > === > > NearTree tmatsuu > > > > The following packages require

setterm syntax changed

Was there good reason to change it? For well over a decade across all distros I've used, I've included this line in root's .bashrc, always: setterm -foreground white -bold -background blue -blank 59 -store The current man page has changed to require "--" where "-" was sufficient previo

Re: Fedora 21 Changes Freeze in two weeks - 2014-07-08

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Greetings! > Fedora 21 Changes Freeze is currently scheduled to no earlier than > 2014-07-08 [1] and we're getting closer to this date. Btw this is > also Fedora 21 Branch from Rawhide date. > > At this point, all accepted changes should b

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21 v3

> Package(co)maintainers > === > NearTree tmatsuu > > The following packages require above mentioned packages: > Depending on: NearTree > rasmol (maintained by:

Re: comps categories: are they any use to anyone any more?

Bill Nottingham wrote: > Check the post-install tools; I believe at least one of apper or yumex > still uses them. Apper also uses those categories, so they both do. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel F

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Jun 21, 2014 12:26 PM, "Rahul Sundaram" wrote: > > Hi > > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> what you or i prefer don't matter > > > Sure it does. Otherwise you would not insist that your perspective is the only right one and everyone else who has a different per

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21 v3

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:12:11PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > Depending on: jbosscache-support > hibernate3 (maintained by: gil, jhernand, msrb) > hibernate3-3.6.10-14.fc21.src requires jbosscache-common-parent > = 1.6-8.fc21 > hibernate3-jbosscache-3.6.10-14.fc21

Re: OCaml 4.02 in Fedora 21(?)

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:08:15AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I'm in two minds about whether to add OCaml 4.02 to Fedora 21: > > - The only significant change that we care about is full AArch64 >support. Currently Fedora 21 uses an AArch64 backend that I >hastily backported fr

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21 v3

On 2014-06-24 15:12, Till Maas wrote: The following packages are orphaned or did not build for two releases and will be retired when Fedora (F21) is branched, unless someone adopts them. I have posted patches for a few of these (some before I realized they were orphaned), should anyone want th

[ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21 v3

The following packages are orphaned or did not build for two releases and will be retired when Fedora (F21) is branched, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 08:16:08PM +, Andre Robatino wrote: > > I also cringe when I see the "-y or --assumeyes" option mentioned.  IMO > that is just inviting disaster. > > I'm surprised no one is "demanding" that be removed.  It is dangerous. > Someone might need to use yum or dnf in a scrip

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Gerald B. Cox bzb.us> writes: > I also cringe when I see the "-y or --assumeyes" option mentioned.  IMO that is just inviting disaster. > I'm surprised no one is "demanding" that be removed.  It is dangerous. Someone might need to use yum or dnf in a script. Personally, that's the _only_ time I

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Gerald B. Cox bzb.us> writes: > A gun doesn't require you to go into root mode before using it; and it doesn't ask you if you are sure before you pull the trigger.  dnf requires root mode _every_ time you use it. Same for asking if you're sure (unless the -y option is used). Any barrier that ha

Re: Spins-kickstarts change for OpenJDK 8

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 15:13:01 -0400, Omair Majid wrote: Hi, * Omair Majid [2014-06-24 14:31]: With the Java 8 Change [0] that promotes java-1.8.0-openjdk to the default Java runtime, I am going to be retiring java-1.7.0-openjdk shortly. And this patch, for spins-kickstarts, removes all

Spins-kickstarts change for OpenJDK 8

Hi, * Omair Majid [2014-06-24 14:31]: > With the Java 8 Change [0] that promotes java-1.8.0-openjdk to the > default Java runtime, I am going to be retiring java-1.7.0-openjdk > shortly. And this patch, for spins-kickstarts, removes all mention of java-1.7.0-openjdk from the kickstart files. Th

Re: Comps change for OpenJDK 8

* Aleksandar Kurtakov [2014-06-24 14:36]: > In the commit I see java-1.5.0-gcj, you might want to drop it now that > gcc-java is no longer built. Done. This was accidentally overlooked when java-1.5.0-gcj was retired. Thanks, Omair -- PGP Key: 66484681 (http://pgp.mit.edu/) Fingerprint = F07

Re: Comps change for OpenJDK 8

In the commit I see java-1.5.0-gcj, you might want to drop it now that gcc-java is no longer built. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team - Original Message - > From: "Omair Majid" > To: "fedora-devel" > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:58:46 PM > Subject: Comps change for OpenJDK 8 >

Re: [RFE/ENH] A network bandwidth monitor plugin for NetworkManager

On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 08:57 +0200, poma wrote: > We’ll Build A Dream House Of Net - by Dan Williams > http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2014/06/20/well-build-a-dream-house-of-net/ > > Geez, are we done yet? > > Not even close! Seriously, there’s more but I’m kinda tired o

Comps change for OpenJDK 8

Hi, With the Java 8 Change [0] that promotes java-1.8.0-openjdk to the default Java runtime, I am going to be retiring java-1.7.0-openjdk shortly. I need to make a change to comps to make sure that it does not try and pull in java-1.7.0-openjdk. Patch is attached. It was reviewed on IRC by Dennis

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 06/23/2014 07:35 PM, Mattia Verga wrote: If yum history showed that a protection for critical packages is useful and appreciated by the majority, why the yum replacement shouldn't implement that protection saying it's unuseful? I'd go into a different direction: The fact, yum had such a pro

Re: delta repo data - FTL

On 06/24/2014 03:23 PM, Tomas Mlcoch wrote: Hi poma, the short answer is no. The idea (to have deltas between two repodata) and purpose (be able to gen and apply such deltas) is the same, but the used techniques and ideas are different. So, what will it take to get this into Fedora? Does D

Re: Comps change proposal: NetworkManager subpackages

On 06/20/2014 08:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > AIUI, the split in NM split off: > > * wifi support into NetworkManager-wifi > * bluetooth (DUN and PAN? didn't one get dropped? i forget) connection > support into NetworkManager-bluetooth > * cellular modem support into NetworkManager-wwan > * Dir

[RFE/ENH] A network bandwidth monitor plugin for NetworkManager

We’ll Build A Dream House Of Net - by Dan Williams http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2014/06/20/well-build-a-dream-house-of-net/ Geez, are we done yet? Not even close! Seriously, there’s more but I’m kinda tired of typing. Try it out (the final release will be ou

yum install kernel = 11 Packages & dnf install kernel = Nothing to do

One exemplary example of how to or how to not to. # yum clean all Loaded plugins: langpacks Cleaning repos: rawhide Cleaning up everything # yum --enablerepo \* clean all Loaded plugins: langpacks Cleaning repos: fedora fedora-debuginfo fedora-rawhide-kernel-nodebug fedora-rawhide-kernel-nodeb

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 24 June 2014 12:51, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Ian Malone: >> On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: > Hopefully you don't write professional softwa

Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-06-24)

#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-06-24) Meeting started by mmaslano at 12:04:47 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-06-24/env-and-stacks.2014-06-24-

Env and Stack WG - two free seats

Debi and Toshio resigned, because they have other duties. Thanks for their time and work in Working Group. I guess Env and Stacks WG would be a good place for Atomic and Docker. We are missing members with such knowledge, also there are no representatives of QA or releng. It would be great if

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Le mardi 24 juin 2014 à 14:43 +0200, Sergio Pascual a écrit : > > > > 2014-06-24 14:25 GMT+02:00 Nils Philippsen : > On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 11:45 +0200, Thomas Bendler wrote: > > 2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes > : > > On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thoma

Warning on DNF discussion: let's talk like grown-ups

This is a reminder of the Fedora Code of Conduct, linked at the bottom of every message. See if you've missed it. It's _abundantly_ clear that there are two sides of this issue which can be taken by reasonable people. Please refrain from disparaging the

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 14:25 GMT+02:00 Nils Philippsen : > On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 11:45 +0200, Thomas Bendler wrote: > > 2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes : > > On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler > > wrote: > > > you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your > >

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 11:45 +0200, Thomas Bendler wrote: > 2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes : > On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler > wrote: > > you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your > foot... > > ...and modern systems ask you up

Re: delta repo data - FTL

Hi poma, the short answer is no. The idea (to have deltas between two repodata) and purpose (be able to gen and apply such deltas) is the same, but the used techniques and ideas are different. Few notes about design could be found on wiki of the project [1]. In few bullets: * My deltarepo wor

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 24.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Ian Malone: > On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: >>> On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of attitude. >>> >>> Please don'

Re: Orphaning or Retiring SOAPpy

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 04:13:39PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > Hi, > > I am wondering if someone is interested in picking up the maintainance of > SOAPpy > in Fedora. > > The upstream we were following [1] is dead for a while. There are some forks > that seems to be moving forward but one

Fedora 21 Changes Freeze in two weeks - 2014-07-08

Greetings! Fedora 21 Changes Freeze is currently scheduled to no earlier than 2014-07-08 [1] and we're getting closer to this date. Btw this is also Fedora 21 Branch from Rawhide date. At this point, all accepted changes should be substantially complete, and testable. Additionally, if a change is

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: >> On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: >>> Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of >>> attitude. >> >> Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 06/23/2014 06:54 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree. I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and noticed it had a myriad of dependencies

Re: PostgreSQL systemd config scheme change

Argh, it is quite painful to keep all CC's in loop :(. I suppose that something is broken with this list. Both of email replies missed my MAILBOX and both have trimmed CC lists. Trying to reattach but not giving it a big chance. > - Original Message - > From: Florian Weimer > > On 0

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.06.2014 12:05, schrieb Dridi Boukelmoune: >> Because I totally agree with you and IIRC this kind of stuff has been >> added over time in yum. Also IMHO some of those features are very >> fedora/el specific, and allows yum to work o

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 24.06.2014 12:05, schrieb Dridi Boukelmoune: > Because I totally agree with you and IIRC this kind of stuff has been > added over time in yum. Also IMHO some of those features are very > fedora/el specific, and allows yum to work only on fedora and > downstream distros. Yum expects the kernel

OCaml 4.02 in Fedora 21(?)

I'm in two minds about whether to add OCaml 4.02 to Fedora 21: - The only significant change that we care about is full AArch64 support. Currently Fedora 21 uses an AArch64 backend that I hastily backported from upstream before the upstream backend was completely finished (which, to be

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Jon Kent wrote: > Been reading this for a while and I'm getting annoyed by the 'you should > know what you are doing' mob. There can be no reason not to have safe guards > in dnf to save you from the oh sh#t moments. Everyone has those at some time > and those who

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: > On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: >> ​Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of >> attitude. > > Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as > incompetent. You won't convince anyone, and it c

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 11:40 GMT+02:00 Florian Weimer : > On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: > >> ​Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of >> attitude. > > Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as > incompetent. You won't convince anyone, and it con

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: Hubert Plociniczak (fas: hubert)

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 01:50:31PM +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello All! > As fas as we know Hubert quit Fedora for a very long time (said in his > private email). So it's time to change a poit of contact for the only > package Hubert maintained - RabbitMQ server. > > https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 24.06.2014 11:36, schrieb Richard Hughes: > On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler wrote: >> you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your foot... >> ...and modern systems ask you up to four, five times > > How many different locks does a gun have? Last time I checked there > was one

Non-responsive maintainer: Hubert Plociniczak (fas: hubert)

Hello All! As fas as we know Hubert quit Fedora for a very long time (said in his private email). So it's time to change a poit of contact for the only package Hubert maintained - RabbitMQ server. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rabbitmq-server/ I propose myself (FAS name: peter) an

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Been reading this for a while and I'm getting annoyed by the 'you should know what you are doing' mob. There can be no reason not to have safe guards in dnf to save you from the oh sh#t moments. Everyone has those at some time and those who are learning Linux need these guards to avoid them trashin

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 11:36 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes : > On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler wrote: > > you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your foot... > > ...and modern systems ask you up to four, five times > > How many different locks does a gun have? Last time I checked there > was one

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: ​Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of attitude. Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as incompetent. You won't convince anyone, and it contributes to making the Fedora mailing lists a hostile p

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 24 June 2014 10:31, Thomas Bendler wrote: > you need to unlock the gun before you can shoot in your foot... > ...and modern systems ask you up to four, five times How many different locks does a gun have? Last time I checked there was one safety catch -- DNF asks you for 'y/N' confirmation wit

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 17:51 GMT+02:00 Gerald B. Cox : > > This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever. You > enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf. You enter > the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes the kernel. What a > concept, it d

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 24.06.2014 00:54, schrieb Gerald B. Cox: > Regarding your kernel comment, I've been using Fedora since Redhat 6.2 and > DNF since it first came out and I've > never encountered this. When I update the kernel, it leaves the prior two on > my system for rollback, so I have no > idea what you'r

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 23 June 2014 23:54, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree. > > I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent > packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and > noticed it had a myriad of depende