Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Jun 23, 2014 4:55 PM, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: > > First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree. > > I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and noticed it had a myriad of depen

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 1:07 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> yes - simply because the chance that soemone wants to uninstall all >> kernels, yum, dnf and finalyl rpm itself is very low > > You still did not give a simple case why someone with some s

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree. I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and noticed it had a myriad of dependencies which would also be removed. However, when I se

bugzilla use and bug 1049310

Kevin Fenzi on bugzilla: > Hey folks. There are 47 people cc'ed on this bug. > > Can we please be kind to them and refrain from discussion here unless you > have some new information that hasn't already been noted in the last 35 > comments? Quite a sensible comment. We got to this situation becaus

Re: PostgreSQL systemd config scheme change

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 06/23/2014 04:23 PM, Pavel Raiskup wrote: >> >> What seems to be better approach is to have real configuration file, such >> one >> for which '$ rpm -qc postgresql-server' would not be quiet. Lets say: >> >>$ cat /etc/postgresql/post

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 06/23/2014 11:51 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever. You enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf. You enter the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes the kernel. What a concept, it does wha

Dangling "clustering" reference in comps-f21.xml.in

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Re: PostgreSQL systemd config scheme change

On 06/23/2014 04:23 PM, Pavel Raiskup wrote: What seems to be better approach is to have real configuration file, such one for which '$ rpm -qc postgresql-server' would not be quiet. Lets say: $ cat /etc/postgresql/postgresql PGDATA=/some/other/place/than/default I think for Fedora, the

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 20:21 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > Les Howell wrote on Mon 23 Jun 2014 20:04:56 CEST: > > On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:57 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > >> Chris Adams wrote: > >>> Once upon a time, Johannes Lips said: > Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete outp

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Les Howell wrote on Mon 23 Jun 2014 20:04:56 CEST: > On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:57 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: >> Chris Adams wrote: >>> Once upon a time, Johannes Lips said: Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if it's trying to remove hundreds of packages?

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 20:10, schrieb Jerry James: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> It isn't just remove/erase operations. Updates can be problematic for >> kernels. distro-sync can also remove some packages while updating or >> downgrading others and that might catch some pe

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > It isn't just remove/erase operations. Updates can be problematic for > kernels. distro-sync can also remove some packages while updating or > downgrading others and that might catch some people by surprise. And once in awhile a packager

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:57 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: > Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Johannes Lips said: > >> Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if > >> it's trying to remove hundreds of packages? > > > > Well, yeah. First, if you think you are remov

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Reindl Harald writes: > Am 23.06.2014 19:21, schrieb Jaroslav Nahorny: > >> Exactly. System warns you, but if you insist, it will allow you to "rm >> -rf /". The same is with dnf. It will show you the list of packages it's >> going to remove, and ask you if you are sure this is what you want. Wha

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 19:53, schrieb Chris Adams: > Once upon a time, Johannes Lips said: >> Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if >> it's trying to remove hundreds of packages? > > Well, yeah. First, if you think you are removing a leaf or minor > package and the packag

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:53:19 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Johannes Lips said: Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if it's trying to remove hundreds of packages? Well, yeah. First, if you think you are removing a leaf or minor package and th

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Reindl Harald writes: > Am 23.06.2014 19:36, schrieb Chris Adams: >> Once upon a time, Reindl Harald said: >>> without that protection any "what is that, i don't need it" >>> and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup >> >> And the protection is already there - the list of depende

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Johannes Lips said: >> Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if >> it's trying to remove hundreds of packages? > > Well, yeah. First, if you think you are removing a leaf or minor > package and the package manager lists 100+ dep

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Once upon a time, Johannes Lips said: > Well, yeah and everybody is reading the complete output of yum/dnf if > it's trying to remove hundreds of packages? Well, yeah. First, if you think you are removing a leaf or minor package and the package manager lists 100+ dependent packages, you should t

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 19:36, schrieb Chris Adams: > Once upon a time, Reindl Harald said: >> without that protection any "what is that, i don't need it" >> and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup > > And the protection is already there - the list of dependent packages > that will be re

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

You're reply is wrong on so many levels I just don't know where to begin. Suffice to say if you continue to clutter up the forum with nonsense I will push back. On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 23.06.2014 19:30, schrieb Gerald B. Cox: > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Reindl Harald said: >> without that protection any "what is that, i don't need it" >> and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup > > And the protection is already there - the list of dependent packages > that will be removed, followed by a conf

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 19:21:07 +0200, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: For me it is a totally reasonable and sane approach. If you claim there are people who won't read the list of to-be-removed packages and blindly hit *Y* - well, I belive you are right - there are such people. But we won't stop the

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 19:21, schrieb Jaroslav Nahorny: > Exactly. System warns you, but if you insist, it will allow you to "rm > -rf /". The same is with dnf. It will show you the list of packages it's > going to remove, and ask you if you are sure this is what you want. What > more do we need? ah you

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Once upon a time, Reindl Harald said: > without that protection any "what is that, i don't need it" > and try to remove it brings the danger to ruin the setup And the protection is already there - the list of dependent packages that will be removed, followed by a confirmation request that you rea

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Il 23/06/2014 19:14, Gerald B. Cox ha scritto: A gun doesn't require you to go into root mode before using it; and it doesn't ask you if you are sure before you pull the trigger. In my example this was exactly the case. I am the root, childrens are users. And yes, it asks you if you're sure t

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 19:30, schrieb Gerald B. Cox: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > *stop* to insult people > > It's not insulting people to state facts. Just because you are on this > ridiculous tirade which is insulting > doesn't

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 19:21, schrieb Mathieu Bridon: > On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:07 +0200, drago01 wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >>> yes - simply because the chance that soemone wants to uninstall all >>> kernels, yum, dnf and finalyl rpm itself is very low >> >> You

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Reindl Harald writes: > Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams: >> Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: >>> Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running >>> kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken >>> for your system) kernel update available.

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > *stop* to insult people It's not insulting people to state facts. Just because you are on this ridiculous tirade doesn't mean that people aren't allow to push back on this insanity. I've read your posts, and if anyone is insulting, you

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:44:31 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I would suggest that the fix for this is to not push broken kernels so frequently that 'the oldest one is the only that works' becomes an issue, and to introduce automatic testing that ensures you can at least boot rawhide to the l

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:21:43 +0200 Mathieu Bridon wrote: > One thing I've seen a few times at the time Yum didn't have that > protection was « I don't do development, so I can remove Python » > > It did lead to a few people not having Yum installed any more. > I don't have all the history\chag

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 23/06/14 17:51, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Not withstanding the fact that: > 1. You have to be in root mode to invoke > 2. It lists everything it is going to do, and you have to explicitly say YES. Assuming that it will always wants a "yes" to confirm, people will pretty fast get used to it and

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 19:07 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > > > Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams: > >> Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > >>> Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running > >>> kernel) is the

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 19:14, schrieb Gerald B. Cox: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Mattia Verga > wrote: > > I know that a pistol can be dangerous and I can even shoot myself. I keep > it in a place where childrens can't > reach it, so why bothering with a s

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Mattia Verga wrote: > I know that a pistol can be dangerous and I can even shoot myself. I keep > it in a place where childrens can't reach it, so why bothering with a > safety lock? It can be cheaper making the pistol without it... A gun doesn't require you to

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams: >> Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: >>> Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running >>> kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken >>> for you

Re: comps categories: are they any use to anyone any more?

On 23 June 2014 18:00, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > I have not seen any docs for comps.xml At one point there was a RH developer working on a libcomps project -- if you can track down the project and the maintainer he's probably the best person to ask for docs. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@li

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 19:00, schrieb Richard Hughes: > On 23 June 2014 17:57, Reindl Harald wrote: >> please come back to the real world > > That doesn't sound very excellent. Do we have to start mentioning the > "moderation" word again? please don't quote out of context thank you! signature.asc De

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 18:47, schrieb Chris Adams: > Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: >> Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running >> kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken >> for your system) kernel update available. In that case one really >> w

Re: comps categories: are they any use to anyone any more?

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Yeah, you're probably right. In that case we should probably explain the > difference somewhere - are you aware of anywhere it's currently written > down? There are no comments in the comps.xml files, no documentation in > comps.git, and t

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On 23 June 2014 17:57, Reindl Harald wrote: > please come back to the real world That doesn't sound very excellent. Do we have to start mentioning the "moderation" word again? Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fed

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 18:44, schrieb Matthias Clasen: > On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running >> kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken for >> your system) kernel update available. In

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running > kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken > for your system) kernel update available. In that case one really > wouldn't expect the running kernel be removed. Havi

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running > kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken for > your system) kernel update available. In that case one really wouldn't > expect the running k

Re: comps categories: are they any use to anyone any more?

On Sun, 2014-06-22 at 18:43 +0200, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > on the other hand, there's a clear overlap with 'environment groups'. it > > seems like we kinda have one type of group too many. :P > > > > environments is something you can

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 08:51:51 -0700, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever. You enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf. You enter the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes the kernel. What a conce

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

I know that a pistol can be dangerous and I can even shoot myself. I keep it in a place where childrens can't reach it, so why bothering with a safety lock? It can be cheaper making the pistol without it... Il 23/06/2014 17:51, Gerald B. Cox ha scritto: This has got to be the silliest thing I'

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

This has got to be the silliest thing I've ever seen, but whatever. You enter the command dnf remove dnf, and guess what? It removes dnf. You enter the command dnf remove kernel, and guess what, it removes the kernel. What a concept, it does what you tell it to do. Not withstanding the fact that

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Hi On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM, drago01 wrote: > > That link is nonsense. It *is* reasonable to ask people on a > *development mailing list* for patches ... > Perhaps but this is more a community of packagers and doing so here would be viewed as an offhanded brush off but what I asked for

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PostgreSQL systemd config scheme change

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Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Jan Zelený wrote: >> >> As always, patches are welcome. > > > http://www.xenoterracide.com/2010/05/dont-say-patches-welcome.html That link is nonsense. It *is* reasonable to ask people on a *development mailing list* for patches ... --

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Jan Zelený wrote: As always, patches are welcome. http://www.xenoterracide.com/2010/05/dont-say-patches-welcome.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 06/20/2014 09:10 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: Dnf doesn't know anything about your network connection and I'm not even sure it should ... I can imagine a high level orchestration tool for the entire system to do stuff like this but that's out of our scope. I just filed NetworkManager RFE RFE: add a

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 11:28, schrieb Frank Murphy: > On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:25:46 +0200 > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310#c29 sounds like there is now a chance DNF get trustable until Fedroa 22 is released which is for sure the better way than wait for en

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:25:46 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310#c29 ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproje

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 23.06.2014 06:29, schrieb Gerald B. Cox: > I think there are much more important things to be concerned about than: > > 1. Childproofing software. > 2. Writing software to protect against software bugs. > > DNF already requires that you have root privileges so what > in addition to requ