Re: Major release number bump is lower than beta for html5lib module.

2014-03-01 Thread Praveen Kumar
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Christopher Meng wrote: > You should ask upstream if this is a mistake or a misleading naming. As per upstream note on 0.99 release - "No library changes from 1.0b3; released as 0.99 as pip has changed behaviour from 1.4 to avoid installing pre-release versions per

Re: Major release number bump is lower than beta for html5lib module.

2014-03-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2014 03:35, schrieb Christopher Meng: > You should ask upstream if this is a mistake or a misleading naming. > Remember try not to use epoch for packages, it's dirty hack yes it is a hack but better than fake version numbers to satisfy RPM and that is *the* reason epoch exists at all

Re: Major release number bump is lower than beta for html5lib module.

2014-03-01 Thread Christopher Meng
You should ask upstream if this is a mistake or a misleading naming. Remember try not to use epoch for packages, it's dirty hack. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-con

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2014 02:11, schrieb Chris Murphy: > On Mar 1, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 02.03.2014 01:36, schrieb Chris Murphy: >>> On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> Am 02.03.2014 00:42, schrieb Chris Murphy: > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Chris Murp

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 02.03.2014 01:36, schrieb Chris Murphy: >> On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> Am 02.03.2014 00:42, schrieb Chris Murphy: On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 1, 201

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2014 01:36, schrieb Chris Murphy: > On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 02.03.2014 00:42, schrieb Chris Murphy: >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 02.03.2014 00:42, schrieb Chris Murphy: >> >> On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:29:30PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Nathanael Noblet wrote: > On 03/01/2014 02:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Jon wrote: >> >>> The inability to shrink or reduce XFS is rather disappointing. I've >>> seen a few sarcastic remarks along the lines of (paraphrased): why >>> woul

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2014 00:42, schrieb Chris Murphy: > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> >> On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:29:30PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: - There needs to be a mandate to remove features from custom parti

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:29:30PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> - There needs to be a mandate to remove features from custom partitioning >>> that quite frankly don't make sense like r

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 01.03.2014 22:55, schrieb poma: >> On 27.02.2014 01:33, Josef Bacik wrote: >> >>> Just popping in here to say that btrfs is not ready to be default in Fedora >>> yet. Optional is fine but not default. Thanks, >>> >> This is actually

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:29:30PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> - There needs to be a mandate to remove features from custom partitioning >> that quite frankly don't make sense like rootfs on raid4, raid5 or >> raid6. OK maybe raid5. But not

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.03.2014 22:55, schrieb poma: > On 27.02.2014 01:33, Josef Bacik wrote: > >> Just popping in here to say that btrfs is not ready to be default in Fedora >> yet. Optional is fine but not default. Thanks, >> > This is actually a good news. > Thanks. > > Now all we need is fair support in t

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread poma
On 27.02.2014 01:33, Josef Bacik wrote: > Just popping in here to say that btrfs is not ready to be default in Fedora > yet. Optional is fine but not default. Thanks, > > Josef This is actually a good news. Thanks. Now all we need is fair support in the installer. BTRFS as alternative scheme:

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread James Harshaw
In a side note, there have been *some* attempts at adding shrink compatability to xfs, but none of them seem to developed or even complete. Shrinking in my experience is extremely important. Having unexpected growth in the / partition with no ability to make room for it can be a major issue as thi

Re: Audacious 3.5 copr builds

2014-03-01 Thread poma
Besides we need Hans to join the effort for the Audacious tutto completo. poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread poma
On 27.02.2014 22:06, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 04:03:06PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Or, as an alternative, XFS support could be added to u-boot and/or >> syslinux. Never eliminate the possibility of actually writing code to >> fix problems. All it takes is someone willing

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Jacob Yundt
> >> People do shrink volumes, and this lack of flexibility is an important >> consideration I feel was ignored in the Server WG decision. > > What is the use case for volume shrinking in a server context? Dual boot is a > total edge case for servers. I shrink ext4 filesystems on servers pretty f

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Nathanael Noblet
On 03/01/2014 02:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Jon wrote: The inability to shrink or reduce XFS is rather disappointing. I've seen a few sarcastic remarks along the lines of (paraphrased): why would anyone ever want to shrink a volume? In the context of server, and de

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 03/01/2014 02:30 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce wrote: >> On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +, Ian Malone wrote: >>> On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > >>> As you say they are 'plain' filesys

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> As you say they are 'plain' filesystems. Though I now regret not >> sending my small

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Jon wrote: > The inability to shrink or reduce XFS is rather disappointing. I've > seen a few sarcastic remarks along the lines of (paraphrased): why > would anyone ever want to shrink a volume? In the context of server, and default installs, why is a valid question.

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:29:30PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > - There needs to be a mandate to remove features from custom partitioning > that quite frankly don't make sense like rootfs on raid4, raid5 or > raid6. OK maybe raid5. But not raid 4 or raid 6. There are other Okay, I'll bite. Why

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Jon
The inability to shrink or reduce XFS is rather disappointing. I've seen a few sarcastic remarks along the lines of (paraphrased): why would anyone ever want to shrink a volume? People do shrink volumes, and this lack of flexibility is an important consideration I feel was ignored in the Server WG

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 1, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > As far as I know inode64 is not really a problem on NFS anymore, which > is why I did not raise this as an issue at all (I use NFS and I have a > 6TB XFS filesystem with inode64). What I'm not certain of, is if the fix was entirely on the server

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +, Ian Malone wrote: > On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 11:07 PM, James Wilson Harshaw IV > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I apologize, I guess I did not get the whole back

Re: Major release number bump is lower than beta for html5lib module.

2014-03-01 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 15:39 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 01.03.2014 15:36, schrieb Praveen Kumar: > > Recently Dan filled bug[0] against html5lib[1] module about new > > upstream release but upstream put major version 0.999 which is lower > > that it's beta version 1.0b3. > > > > Now If I upda

Re: Audacious 3.5 copr builds

2014-03-01 Thread poma
On 01.03.2014 12:21, Michael Schwendt wrote: > With the help of the Fedora Copr Project [1] I've made available > builds of Audacious 3.5-alpha1 for Fedora 20 and Rawhide: > > https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/mschwendt/audacious-next/ > > On the way to Audacious 3.5 the Plugin API is inco

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.03.2014 16:42, schrieb Orion Poplawski: > On 03/01/2014 05:04 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> As you say they are 'plain' filesystems. Though I now regret not >> sending my small datapoint in before the Server WG decision. That's >> that a while ago, after using XFS for a long time we started p

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 03/01/2014 05:04 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > > As you say they are 'plain' filesystems. Though I now regret not > sending my small datapoint in before the Server WG decision. That's > that a while ago, after using XFS for a long time we started putting > new filesystems onto ext4 and in the past mo

Re: Major release number bump is lower than beta for html5lib module.

2014-03-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.03.2014 15:36, schrieb Praveen Kumar: > Recently Dan filled bug[0] against html5lib[1] module about new > upstream release but upstream put major version 0.999 which is lower > that it's beta version 1.0b3. > > Now If I update spec file according to upstream release version should > yum ab

Major release number bump is lower than beta for html5lib module.

2014-03-01 Thread Praveen Kumar
Hi, Recently Dan filled bug[0] against html5lib[1] module about new upstream release but upstream put major version 0.999 which is lower that it's beta version 1.0b3. Now If I update spec file according to upstream release version should yum able to identify that 0.999 > 1.0b3? or should I go ahe

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 11:07 PM, James Wilson Harshaw IV >> wrote: >> >> > I apologize, I guess I did not get the whole background out of it. >> > >> > What filesystems are we considering?

Audacious 3.5 copr builds

2014-03-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
With the help of the Fedora Copr Project [1] I've made available builds of Audacious 3.5-alpha1 for Fedora 20 and Rawhide: https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/mschwendt/audacious-next/ On the way to Audacious 3.5 the Plugin API is incompatible with the older Audacious in F20 already, so don'

Re: Server Technical Specification: Agenda and First Draft

2014-03-01 Thread drago01
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 02:56:52PM +0100, drago01 wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Stephen Gallagher >> wrote: > > [. . .] > >> SELinux working with it now. >> dargo01: I think that statement may be evolving ? >> And Docker

Re: Server Technical Specification: Agenda and First Draft

2014-03-01 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 02:56:52PM +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Stephen Gallagher > wrote: [. . .] > SELinux working with it now. > dargo01: I think that statement may be evolving ? > And Docker is moving to systemd-nspawn and away from lxc > but certainly valuabl