Re: Livecd-creator is disabling selinux

2014-01-10 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:31:13 -0700 Tim Flink escribió: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:35:59 -0800 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 17:33 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > El Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:26:38 -0800 > > > Adam Williamson escri

Re: Livecd-creator is disabling selinux

2014-01-10 Thread Tim Flink
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:35:59 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 17:33 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > El Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:26:38 -0800 > > Adam Williamson escribió: > > > On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 11:32 +0100, Maros Zatko wrote: > > > > Dear guys and ladies, > > > > So it seems

[Test-Announce] 2014-01-13 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2014-01-13 # Time: 16:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's meeting time again on Monday! There are a couple of topics that have come up in the past week, a

F20 bug fixes: thanks!

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
I just did an update run on the F20 Common Bugs page, and I was pleased to note the number of prominent issues that has been resolved with updates since F20 shipped. There are now 13 issues under 'resolved issues' on Common Bugs, which is pretty good compared historically. Just wanted to pass along

Re: Orphaning few java packages

2014-01-10 Thread Ismael Olea
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > I've just taken sqljet (as a dependency of OmegaT) before reading this. > Which > > build problem svnkit has? It's another BR for OmegaT. > > > So svnkit was fine for java usage but not for being used in > eclipse-subclipse. thaks

Re: Livecd-creator is disabling selinux

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 17:33 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > El Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:26:38 -0800 > Adam Williamson escribió: > > On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 11:32 +0100, Maros Zatko wrote: > > > Dear guys and ladies, > > > So it seems like livecd-creator is silently disabling selinux. > > > Proof: vim $(wh

Re: Livecd-creator is disabling selinux

2014-01-10 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:26:38 -0800 Adam Williamson escribió: > On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 11:32 +0100, Maros Zatko wrote: > > Dear guys and ladies, > > So it seems like livecd-creator is silently disabling selinux. > > Proof: vim $(which livecd-creator) ;

Re: Livecd-creator is disabling selinux

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 11:32 +0100, Maros Zatko wrote: > Dear guys and ladies, > So it seems like livecd-creator is silently disabling selinux. > Proof: vim $(which livecd-creator) ; line 150 > Fact, that it's re-enabled afterwards doesn't ease silent disablement of > security feature. > > I'd love

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 14:30 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing > > I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on > > me it will be my main

Self Introduction

2014-01-10 Thread Matt Robinson
Hi, I've been going through the process of becoming a package maintainer, and thought it would be a good time to introduce myself. My name is Matt Robinson and I'm currently working at Rutgers University. I build a lot of RPMs there (and use mock and koji as well), and with a recent switch to F

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: Mark Chappell

2014-01-10 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 10 janvier 2014 à 13:54 -0700, Jerry James a écrit : > On Dec. 5, 2013, I sent private email to Mark Chappell (tremble) about > a change I need to the normaliz package in order to update to a more > recent version of polymake. > > > On Dec. 11, 2013, I > opened https://bugzilla.redhat

Unresponsive maintainer: Mark Chappell

2014-01-10 Thread Jerry James
On Dec. 5, 2013, I sent private email to Mark Chappell (tremble) about a change I need to the normaliz package in order to update to a more recent version of polymake. On Dec. 11, 2013, I opened https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1040627 to ask for the same change. On Dec. 19, 2013, I ap

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:04 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 01/09/2014 07:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 09.01.2014 22:16, schrieb Przemek Klosowski: >>> I think you can still brick the system with careless yum erases: for >>> instance, deleting grub >> how would this delete the bootloader i

Fedora Server PRD Draft and call for participation

2014-01-10 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The first deliverable that the Fedora Server Working Group was tasked with was the production of a Product Requirements Document. This document is intended to provide a high-level view of the goals and primary deliverables of the Fedora Server distribu

Re: Should /usr/bin/Xorg (still) be setuid-root?

2014-01-10 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > > On 01/09/2014 09:52 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Hans de Goede >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> On 01/09/2014 12:09 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.01.2014 20:55, schrieb Matthew Miller: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:41:03AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> By the way, currently the protected list seems to be 'yum, systemd >>> and running kernel'. I don't have a system to try it on, so I just >>> hope that one can't delete their depend

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:41:03AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > By the way, currently the protected list seems to be 'yum, systemd > > and running kernel'. I don't have a system to try it on, so I just > > hope that one can't delete their dependencies either (glibc? what > > else?). > No, you

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 07:12 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > This thread is no longer productive and is closed. > > I urge everyone to re-read our code of conduct: > http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Sorry, missed that. If I can address the topic a bit, since someone seemed interested in my

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 10:49 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le mercredi 18 décembre 2013 à 21:40 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" a > écrit : > > On mið 18.des 2013 21:20, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > who do you think you are to claim whatever people are "outside the > > > community"? > > > > Individ

Re: Should /usr/bin/Xorg (still) be setuid-root?

2014-01-10 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/09/2014 09:52 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 01/09/2014 12:09 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 01:14:08PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: /usr

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 16:16 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 01/09/2014 01:58 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > > Latest installed is almost exactly not what you want, I've had plenty > > (where plenty in this case is probably >5) of cases where a kernel > > update broke something, in quite a few of thos

Re: acceptability of updates-testing breakage vs. rawhide breakage

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2014-01-11 at 00:49 +0900, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: > Chuck Anderson wrote, at 01/10/2014 11:56 PM +9:00: > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 10:42:33AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 10:13 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: > >>> This appears to have also broken Fedora 19 updates-t

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 07:58:44PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > So the question becomes, what is it appropriate for a distribution to do > in this situation? My personal opinion is that what's appropriate for a > distribution to do is also, happily, what's easiest for a distribution > to do: pun

Review swap: python-patsy

2014-01-10 Thread Sergio Pascual
Hi, I have this review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1051254 Its python-patsy, to use R like formula language in Python I will review other package in return. Thanks, Sergio -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

[Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-01-10) meeting minutes and logs

2014-01-10 Thread Phil Knirsch
Mainly focused on next steps for the BR cleanup followed by a discussion about containers and moving over towards definition of Base again. Meeting ended Fri Jan 10 16:53:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.01.2014 16:49, schrieb Dridi Boukelmoune: > I actually remember a comparison matrix of OpenSolaris forks, some of > them chose /rpm5?/ for package management, but I can't find a link. > > I do understand why people would want such features built-in, but it > seems a bit short-sighted. And

Re: acceptability of updates-testing breakage vs. rawhide breakage

2014-01-10 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Chuck Anderson wrote, at 01/10/2014 11:56 PM +9:00: On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 10:42:33AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 10:13 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: This appears to have also broken Fedora 19 updates-testing, which is even less acceptable than breaking rawhide. Eh, I'

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Bill Nottingham wrote: >> >>> Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: I'm a little lost in the thread, but do you mean that yum's protected packages functionality

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-10 Thread Alexander Boström
tor 2014-01-09 klockan 20:30 -0800 skrev Andrew Lutomirski: > It would be nice, at least, if there was a clean way for these stacks > to be tracked and, if needed, uninstalled. Some of these things > install into /usr, which is a giant mess. (Pip, the one I use the > most, doesn't do that IIRC,

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/09/2014 07:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.01.2014 22:16, schrieb Przemek Klosowski: By the way, currently the protected list seems to be 'yum, systemd and running kernel'. I don't have a system to try it on what about the machine you sitting in front of? without -y flag yum asks if y

Re: acceptability of updates-testing breakage vs. rawhide breakage

2014-01-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.01.2014 15:56, schrieb Chuck Anderson: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 10:42:33AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 10:13 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: >>> This appears to have also broken Fedora 19 updates-testing, which is >>> even less acceptable than breaking rawhide. >> >>

acceptability of updates-testing breakage vs. rawhide breakage

2014-01-10 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 10:42:33AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 10:13 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > This appears to have also broken Fedora 19 updates-testing, which is > > even less acceptable than breaking rawhide. > > Eh, I'd suggest not. updates-testing is actually

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
I'm sorry, but you're forgetting one major thing. Sure there are lots of developers that ignore best practices. There is nothing new. But there is also a lot of users that do understand best practices and do want the apps packaged in a clean way. The apps are not packaged because the developers

Move of freetype's header files

2014-01-10 Thread Marek Kasik
As of freetype 2.5.1, freetype's upstream has moved all header files from /usr/include/freetype/freetype2/ and /usr/include/ft2build.h to /usr/include/freetype2/. I plane to push freetype 2.5.2 to master at the end of the next week (#1034065). If your packages use freetype as documented then you

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-10 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: >>> I'm a little lost in the thread, but do you mean that yum's protected >>> packages functionality is undocumented? If that is what you mean, check >>> the man page.

[Base] Base Design WG agenda meeting 10. Jan 2014 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting

2014-01-10 Thread Phil Knirsch
Apologies for the late announcement for the meeting today, i've been away the past 2 weeks and work has accumulated quite a bit and i just didn't get to send it out before. Not much of an agenda for today anyway. Agenda: - Buildreq cleanup updates and further discussion/actions - Inter WG top

Re: Unannounced soname bump: satyr (libsatyr.so.2 -> libsatyr.so.3) - affects libreport and abrt

2014-01-10 Thread Martin Milata
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 18:22:18 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > The 'satyr' package in Rawhide was bumped from 0.12 to 0.13 yesterday. > This bumps the library's soname from libsatyr.so.2 to libsatyr.so.3 . > This was not announced on devel@, as it is supposed to be (or the person > doing the bump

Re: Orphaning few java packages

2014-01-10 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Ismael Olea" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:17:17 AM > Subject: Re: Orphaning few java packages > > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov < akurt...@redhat.com > > wrote: > >

Re: Orphaning few java packages

2014-01-10 Thread Ismael Olea
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > > * sqljet - dependency of svnkit which was dependency(disabled now due to > build problems with svnkit) of eclipse-subclipse I've just taken sqljet (as a dependency of OmegaT) before reading this. Which build problem svnkit has? It's

Re: Orphaning few java packages

2014-01-10 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
And I forgot one: * eclipse-cmakeed - haven't seen upstream release in quite sometime, seems the project is not really active anymore Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team - Original Message - > From: "Aleksandar Kurtakov" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent:

Orphaning few java packages

2014-01-10 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
I'm just about to orphan few packages due to not using them and not having time to properly maintain them: * eclipse-subclipse - pretty active upstream but as I don't use it updates are delayed and I haven't tried it in months * sqljet - dependency of svnkit which was dependency(disabled now due