[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 QA Retrospective page is up

2013-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
The Retrospective page for Fedora 20 QA is now up (a bit late, but not as late as last time...): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_20_QA_Retrospective We use the retrospective page to track things that went well and things that didn't go so well during the Fedora 20 validation process, and fo

[Test-Announce] 2013-11-11 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2013-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2013-11-11 # Time: 16:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's meeting time again on Monday! (I'm being all organized and sending this out on Friday, yay me.)

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 09 novembre 2013 à 01:21 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit : > On 11/09/2013 01:14 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Sat, 2013-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Christian Schaller wrote: > >>> The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as > >>> that is t

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/09/2013 01:14 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sat, 2013-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Christian Schaller wrote: The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as that is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want to avoid cluttering

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:58:05 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 14:06 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: > >> 2013/11/7 Christian Schaller : > >> > Ok, so I guess the solution would be for the launcher to do > >> > something like this: > >> > > >> > gnome-

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > But they hardcode the terminal application to gnome-terminal, which is > unacceptable! Just don't use GNOME? More seriously, this is the bug with the instructions on how to write the "terminal chooser" patch for glib: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62794

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Christian Schaller wrote: > > The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as > > that is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want > > to avoid cluttering up the general Fedora-devel list with

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christian Schaller wrote: > The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as > that is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want > to avoid cluttering up the general Fedora-devel list with product specific > further discussion. In other words, you wa

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 14:06 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: >> 2013/11/7 Christian Schaller : >> > Ok, so I guess the solution would be for the launcher to do something >> > like this: >> > >> > gnome-terminal --geometry 80x37 --disable-factory --role=bitchx >> > --class=bi

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-08 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 08 novembre 2013 à 21:24 +0100, Miloslav Trmač a écrit : > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Michael scherer wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 09:55:12PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Lennart Poettering > >> wrote: > >> > On Thu, 07.11.13 20:09, Mil

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/2013 04:19 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 11/08/2013 04:06 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Josh Boyer >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Miloslav Trmač >>> wrote: Hello, On Thu, Nov 7, 2013

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/2013 04:06 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Josh Boyer > wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Miloslav Trmač >> wrote: >>> Hello, On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Schaller >>> wrote: The next

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >>> Hello, >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Schaller >>> wrote: The next update of the PRD will be posted to th

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> Hello, >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Schaller >> wrote: >>> The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as >>> that is the designated 'home' of

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Hello, > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Schaller > wrote: >> The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as that >> is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want to >> avoid clu

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Christian Schaller wrote: > The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as that > is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want to > avoid cluttering up the general > Fedora-devel list with product specific

Re: [Base] Summary/Minutes from today's Base WG meeting (2013-11-08)

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
Forgot one thing - the installer question. I think it already came up tangentially in some of the workstation prd discussions, but I think we should at least be open to the idea that the different products need to be able to define their own install experience. That would imply that the 'installe

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-08 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Michael scherer wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 09:55:12PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Lennart Poettering >> wrote: >> > On Thu, 07.11.13 20:09, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: >> >> Is there a technical reason why we can

Re: [Base] Summary/Minutes from today's Base WG meeting (2013-11-08)

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 10:51 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > * LINK: http://fpaste.org/52688/38392758/ (pknirsch, 16:19:54) > * Base definition: installer, compose tools, minimal install (for some > definition there), and functionality the majority products want to > use (pknirsch, 16

[Fedora QA] #432: Test day results app should be more navigable: create an event, export results, view all events

2013-11-08 Thread Fedora QA
#432: Test day results app should be more navigable: create an event, export results, view all events +--- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: jskladan Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major

Re: [Base] Summary/Minutes from today's Base WG meeting (2013-11-08)

2013-11-08 Thread Bill Nottingham
Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) said: > Meeting started by pknirsch at 15:00:59 UTC. The full logs are available > at > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-08/fedora_base_design_working_group.2013-11-08-15.00.log.html Apologies for not making the meeting. Some comments > *

EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

2013-11-08 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 565 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 79 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11274/ssmtp-2.61-21.el6 40 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDO

EPEL Fedora 5 updates-testing report

2013-11-08 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 565 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 79 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11276/ssmtp-2.61-21.el5 55 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDO

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Reminder: Meeting on #fedora-meeting at 15:00 UTC today

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/2013 08:19 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Just as a reminder, meeting time in roughly 1 1/2 hours from now. > > See you there! > > Thanks & regards, Phil > I can not make the meeting, I am at a conference in Washington DC.

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 08:37 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Michael scherer wrote: > > SELinux is still pretty RH/Fedora specific, > > even if Debian and gentoo support it in theory ( in practice, Debian didn't > > seems to > > support it that well ). > > Millions of Android devices now have

[Base] Summary/Minutes from today's Base WG meeting (2013-11-08)

2013-11-08 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 == #fedora-meeting: Fedora Base Design Working Group (2013-11-08) == Meeting started by pknirsch at 15:00:59 UTC. The full logs ar

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 14:06 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: > 2013/11/7 Christian Schaller : > > Ok, so I guess the solution would be for the launcher to do something like > > this: > > > > gnome-terminal --geometry 80x37 --disable-factory --role=bitchx > > --class=bitchx --name "bitchX IRC" --tit

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-08 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:04:39 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > > $ file screenshot-soundconverter.png > > screenshot-soundconverter.png: PNG image data, 502 x 534, 8-bit/color RGBA, > > non-interlaced > > ScreenshotSizeWidthMin=624 > > ScreenshotSizeHeightMin=351 > > 503 is smaller than 624 and the

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 8 November 2013 00:11, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > It would be awfully convenient to have a single place for all these > related tasks. > > Trying to design a GUI for all users who would find something > convenient isn't possible. Soon

Broken dependencies: perl-SOAP-Lite

2013-11-08 Thread buildsys
perl-SOAP-Lite has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-SOAP-Lite-0.716-3.fc20.noarch requires perl(SOAP::Transport::TCP) On i386: perl-SOAP-Lite-0.716-3.fc20.noarch requires perl(SOAP::Transport::TCP) On armhfp: perl-SOAP-Lite-0.716-3.fc20.noarch requi

Broken dependencies: perl-Language-Expr

2013-11-08 Thread buildsys
perl-Language-Expr has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On i386: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On armhfp: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-08 Thread Michael scherer
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 02:45:46PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > I'm still slightly out of sync with the fedora.next stuff (REALLY picked > > a bad time to go on vacation), but it does seem to me that a decent > > amount

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-08 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Michael scherer wrote: SELinux is still pretty RH/Fedora specific, even if Debian and gentoo support it in theory ( in practice, Debian didn't seems to support it that well ). Millions of Android devices now have SELinux. Android 4.3 enabled SELinux and defaults to Permissive. Android 4.4 def

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 November 2013 00:11, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > HI > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> Honestly, I don't think Software is really aimed at your use case, and >> you may as well just keep using yum. It's meant to be a cool way to find >> neat software, not a compre

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-08 Thread Sandro Mani
On 08.11.2013 13:47, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:10:19 +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: Well, a Shell Function would be more readable, for example. It would accept normal arguments to fill in variables -- instead of global RPM macros, which are substituted in the entire spec file.

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-08 Thread Michael scherer
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 09:55:12PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Thu, 07.11.13 20:09, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > >> Is there a technical reason why we can't use their packaging format, > >> interpreting it with our t

[Fedora Base Design WG] Reminder: Meeting on #fedora-meeting at 15:00 UTC today

2013-11-08 Thread Phil Knirsch
Hi everyone. Just as a reminder, meeting time in roughly 1 1/2 hours from now. See you there! Thanks & regards, Phil -- Philipp Knirsch | Tel.: +49-711-96437-470 Manager Core Services| Fax.: +49-711-96437-111 Red Hat GmbH | Email: Phil Knirsch Wankelstra

F-20 Branched report: 20131108 changes

2013-11-08 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Nov 8 09:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for armhfp -- [blueman] blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires obex-data-server >= 0:0.4.3 blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires gvfs-obexftp [bwm-ng] bwm-ng-0.6

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-08 Thread Mattias Ellert
tor 2013-11-07 klockan 09:14 + skrev Peter Robinson: > I don't see many people forcing things through, I believe that the > vast majority of contributors either like the change or aren't > bothered by it. Just so that my silence is not counted as approval. I disapprove. Mattias sm

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-08 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:10:19 +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: > > Well, a Shell Function would be more readable, for example. It would > > accept normal arguments to fill in variables -- instead of global RPM > > macros, which are substituted in the entire spec file. > Uhm, how can one this be done? Shel

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Joonas Sarajärvi
2013/11/7 Christian Schaller : > Ok, so I guess the solution would be for the launcher to do something like > this: > > gnome-terminal --geometry 80x37 --disable-factory --role=bitchx > --class=bitchx --name "bitchX IRC" --title "BitchX IRC" > Isn't the Terminal attribute of desktop files[1] sup

dnf-0.4.7

2013-11-08 Thread Ales Kozumplik
Hi, dnf-0.4.7 is built for rawhide [1]. F20 version is going to have to wait a few of days because we are missing a dependency there. There's a couple of bugfixes in 0.4.7 but the main thing is that we are slowly starting with forming the API [2]. More in the blog post [3] and the release no

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Hughes
On 8 November 2013 01:04, Rex Dieter wrote: > which claims to be a (the?) tool to create some necessary database, how does > this fit in (if at all)? As I understand it, it's a libappstream-kind-thing that takes the xml files as inputs and exposes a GObject API. gnome-software doesn't use this ri

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Hughes
On 8 November 2013 00:11, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > It would be awfully convenient to have a single place for all these related > tasks. Trying to design a GUI for all users who would find something convenient isn't possible. Sooner or later you have to limit scope of you get a huge feature-creep