Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-11-06 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Re: R: Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-05 Thread punto...@libero.it
Il 05/11/2013 18:59, punto...@libero.it ha scritto: hi see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetBeans_7.3 (should be update) problem(s): - latest NB releases use some libraries available in java8 e.g. https://github.com/furosys/nashorn Nashorn for Java 7 https://bitbucket.org/ramonza/

Re: [Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

2013-11-05 Thread Jon
On Nov 4, 2013 12:01 PM, "Stephen Gallagher" wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/04/2013 11:07 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > > > A quick update from my side regarding the Base Design WG: > > > > - My proposed committee was approved by FESCO last Wedn

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 01:13 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Simo Sorce wrote: > > * and *ideally* I mean SELinux sanbdboxed with specific APIs that must > > be used to interact with the rest of the system, so that the application > > doesn't have free reign over users files. > > So you want to remove

Re: AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-05 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 20:14 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Mathieu Bridon > wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:25 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > >> > >> > >> abe.desktop > > > > I'm pretty sure it should just be "abe" here, not "abe.desktop". > > Well, the example on

Re: AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-05 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > Hi, > > drago01 already answered your screenshot question, but... > > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:25 -0700, Jerry James wrote: >> I just took a look at making AppData xml files for the packages I >> maintain. I started with the alphabetically f

Re: gtk3 broken/missing icons on kde

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 11:19 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 08:23 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 01:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >> Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> > I don't think we'd really be

Re: AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-05 Thread Mathieu Bridon
Hi, drago01 already answered your screenshot question, but... On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 14:25 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > I just took a look at making AppData xml files for the packages I > maintain. I started with the alphabetically first one (why not?): > abe. Here is my first attempt: > > > >

Fedora 20-Beta RC4 AMIS

2013-11-05 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi all, Beta RC2 images have been uploaded to EC2 and are available at ami-c3e3bbaa : us-east-1 image for i386 ami-d3e2baba : us-east-1 image for x86_64 additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to files in the release tree htt

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:52 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 01:23:01PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > So let me step into my handy Tardis and bring back a vignette from the > > Real World after Fedora and other distributions bless upstream app > > distribution as a preferr

[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Beta Release Candidate 4 (RC4) Available Now!

2013-11-05 Thread Andre Robatino
NOTE: The 32- and 64-bit Security Spins are over their respective size targets. As per the Fedora 20 schedule [1], Fedora 20 Beta Release Candidate 4 (RC4) is now available for testing. Content information, including changes, can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5787#comment:26

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Olav Vitters wrote: > Various concerns have been raised. Just write them down, make a plan to > address them, done. But many of those concerns are inherent to the concept of "sandboxed applications" or the methods of delivery they'd enable and cannot possibly be addressed, ever. The whole concep

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Look at all the software that has been written for GTK1 and obsolete > libraries that hasn't been ported and therefore no longer runs on > Fedora. Wouldn't it have been nice to continue to have a practical > option to use that software, even if it doesn't integrate that wel

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Simo Sorce wrote: > * and *ideally* I mean SELinux sanbdboxed with specific APIs that must > be used to interact with the rest of the system, so that the application > doesn't have free reign over users files. So you want to remove my freedom to disable SELinux? Way to go… Kevin Kofler

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: > Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on the > various bundling techniques that were explored and the API/ABI guarantees > we want to offer? I'll stop short of paraphrasing you. The fact that bundling is even being "explored" as a "technique" at

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: > Depends on what you mean by "power user" (I hate this meaningless > term) if it means "software developer" then > yes. If it means "someone that spends his whole day in config dialogs" > then no. A power user is somebody experienced with computers who uses them regularly and who

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:32 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> > Right, that's exactly what I was saying. I just think this is all the >> > _original poster_ was talking about, not any kind of automatic >> > configuration of such repositories. (O

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: > So now after the "good balance", you bring up the "Change" with a capital > 'C' (plagiarized from Barack Obama). Can you please cut down on the > buzzword-loaden rhetoric bullshit? PS: Since it has been pointed out to me that it can be misunderstood as such, please don't take this as a

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Miller wrote: > I really would like all my desktop applications to run in a sandbox, > whether they come from upstream directly or from us. Why? This artificially restricts what your applications can do and also hurts performance. It doesn't buy us anything other than problems! And what

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthias Clasen wrote: > I would actually like to go a little further, and make it easy to enable > 'clean' third-party repositories. If we imagine a future where e.g. > valve is hosting a repository with their steam client, or say, the > chromium web browser is available from the a fedora people p

Re: AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-05 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:20 PM, drago01 wrote: > http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2013/10/08/how-to-take-169-screenshots/ I was confused until I got to the comments. :-) Thanks for the pointer. That cleared things up for me. Regards, -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- devel mailing lis

Re: AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-05 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Jerry James wrote: > I just took a look at making AppData xml files for the packages I > maintain. I started with the alphabetically first one (why not?): > abe. Here is my first attempt: > > > > abe.desktop > CC0 > Abe's Amazing Adventure > > >Abe'

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 13:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > If > distros move away from the gospel of centralized distribution Some people working on technologies in this area may have that as a goal, but I think it's absolutely crucial to continue to support the "package" model of application d

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:32 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > Right, that's exactly what I was saying. I just think this is all the > > _original poster_ was talking about, not any kind of automatic > > configuration of such repositories. (Or at least, you can read it that > > way). > > OK. I guess t

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 16:15 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > > I don't get your example but I agree with Reindl Harald - Linux > > > Distribution is a set of software that works as one coherent > > > environment. Let it be 10, 100

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 01:23:01PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > So let me step into my handy Tardis and bring back a vignette from the > Real World after Fedora and other distributions bless upstream app > distribution as a preferred channel: I'm not sure I can match this for evocativeness, but

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I would like that too, to be clear. That is why I used the term > "upstream distribution" and not the term "sandboxed apps". Sandboxing is > a desirable technology for both upstream and centralized distribution, > I am not sure that is

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:32 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 15:23 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson > >> wrote: > >> > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > >>

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 22:15 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 12:56:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > bad outcome as low as possible. "Let's just try it and see what > > happens!" is not a mature approach to risk management. > > Ehr, instead of promoting something as suppor

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 15:23 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > >> >> > - What about watching films, listening to music? I think i

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 15:23 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > >> > - What about watching films, listening to music? I think it is a basic > >> > requirement for students (at least for me)

AppData: what if screenshots are the wrong aspect ratio?

2013-11-05 Thread Jerry James
I just took a look at making AppData xml files for the packages I maintain. I started with the alphabetically first one (why not?): abe. Here is my first attempt: abe.desktop CC0 Abe's Amazing Adventure Abe's Amazing Adventure is a scrolling, platform-jumping, key-collecting, anc

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 23:50 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le lundi 04 novembre 2013 à 21:02 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit : > > > > Am 04.11.2013 20:56, schrieb drago01: > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Reindl Harald > > > wrote: > > >> that's all true but you can be pretty sure if a "app-

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 01:06:29PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I really would like all my desktop applications to run in a sandbox, whether > > they come from upstream directly or from us. > I would like that too, to be clear. That is why I used the term > "upstream distribution" and not the

Re: Fedora Workstation product name

2013-11-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:25:18AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> The Fedora Workstation effort (not a great name, by the way), is brand > > It doesn't have to end up with that name, for the record. That's just a > working title and indicat

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 12:56:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > bad outcome as low as possible. "Let's just try it and see what > happens!" is not a mature approach to risk management. Ehr, instead of promoting something as supported, just start off slow. Call if alpha, write down all the conce

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 21:03 +0100, drago01 wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> > >> > >> > Am 04.11.2013 20:56, schrieb drago01: >> >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Reindl Harald >> >> wrote: >> >>> that's

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:04 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 12:44:21PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > "Promote as the Proper Way To Get Apps On GNOME / Fedora Desktop" would > > NOT be great. Having spent a lot of time thinking about both sides of > > the debate I'm still

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 12:44:21PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > "Promote as the Proper Way To Get Apps On GNOME / Fedora Desktop" would > NOT be great. Having spent a lot of time thinking about both sides of > the debate I'm still firmly in the 'coherent distribution is the ideal > state' camp.

Fedora Workstation product name

2013-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:25:18AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > The Fedora Workstation effort (not a great name, by the way), is brand It doesn't have to end up with that name, for the record. That's just a working title and indicative of the conversation at Flock. Peter Jones had suggested "Fe

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 16:15 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > - Original Message - > > I don't get your example but I agree with Reindl Harald - Linux > > Distribution is a set of software that works as one coherent > > environment. Let it be 10, 100 or 1000 different packages but >

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 21:03 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > > > Am 04.11.2013 20:56, schrieb drago01: > >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Reindl Harald > >> wrote: > >>> that's all true but you can be pretty sure if a "app-store" with > >>> b

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 11:13 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:03:45 +0100 > > drago01 wrote: > > > > > >> Apps shipping from upstream direcly does not have to be closed > >> source. Firefox for instance could use that, or libreo

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >>> > - What about watching films, listening to music? I think it is a basic >>> > requirement for students (at least for me). >>>

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> > - What about watching films, listening to music? I think it is a basic >> > requirement for students (at least for me). >> > >> > Maybe we should add a that a student should be able

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > - What about watching films, listening to music? I think it is a basic > > requirement for students (at least for me). > > > > Maybe we should add a that a student should be able to play videos and > > listen to music. It should be easy to i

Draft v2 Workstation WG Governance Charter

2013-11-05 Thread Josh Boyer
Hi All, Here's the second draft of the charter. I think I captured most of the discussion to date, but there's always a chance I missed something. Please read this over and provide any feedback you have. Please pay particular attention to the (NOTE:) items. Thanks. josh == Fedora Workstation

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, - Original Message - > > We should be enabling the user to get the things > > done he/she cares about, not forcing them to learn the things we care > > about. > > > > There should be no "You must be this tall to ride Fedora Workstation" > > signs. > [...snip...] > > Is it the intent

Re: Review Request: prboom-plus - Free enhanced DOOM engine

2013-11-05 Thread punto...@libero.it
Il 05/11/2013 18:56, Jaromir Capik ha scritto: Hello everyone. I'm searching for volunteers willing to review the prboom-plus engine: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026517 Anybody want to help with that? Thanks in advance. Regards, Jaromir. -- Jaromir Capik Red Hat Czech, s.r.

R: Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-05 Thread punto...@libero.it
hi see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetBeans_7.3 (should be update) problem(s): - latest NB releases use some libraries available in java8 e.g. https://github.com/furosys/nashorn Nashorn for Java 7 https://bitbucket.org/ramonza/nashorn-backport (used by NB) https://bugzilla.redhat

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 09:21:15AM -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > I think this is a pretty good starting point for our development > direction, and sets the stage for us making positive progress in the > new working group model. > > I do think we should keep it open to tweaks in the future as things >

[Call for ideas] Defining the scope of the Environments and stacks WG

2013-11-05 Thread Tadej Janež
Hi! I would like to invite all of you who are interested in helping defining the scope (i.e. "what we will do" document) of the Environments and stacks WG to join the discussion [0] at our new env-and-stacks mailing list [1]. If you have an idea/expectation/suggestion, please write it up. We espe

Review Request: prboom-plus - Free enhanced DOOM engine

2013-11-05 Thread Jaromir Capik
Hello everyone. I'm searching for volunteers willing to review the prboom-plus engine: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026517 Anybody want to help with that? Thanks in advance. Regards, Jaromir. -- Jaromir Capik Red Hat Czech, s.r.o. Software Engineer / Secondary Arch Email: jca

[389-devel] Please review (take #2) ticket 47575: add test case for ticket47560

2013-11-05 Thread thierry bordaz
Hi All, This review is new proposal to implement CI test cases inside 389-DS. The layout of the tests will be: /dirsrvtests/ tickets/ ticket_abc_test.py ticket_xyz_test.py ... finalizer testsuites/ acl_test.py

Meeting minutes from today's Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2013-11-05)

2013-11-05 Thread Marcela Maslanova
was that I wouldn't be able to make this alternate meeting? 16:28:11 and from the looks of it drieden won't either. 16:28:25 samkottler: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20131105&p1=1960&p2=43&p3=248 16:28:30 samkottler: it's hard :) 16:29:04 Anyway, how ab

Re: ntp-4.2.6p5-11.fc19.src.rpm does not rpmbuild...

2013-11-05 Thread Barry Scott
On Fri 18 Oct 2013 17:59:31 Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 02:14:40PM +0100, Barry Scott wrote: > > On Thu 17 Oct 2013 17:56:57 Barry Scott wrote: > > > I need to patch ntp for my uses. But I find that the src rpm will not > > > build > > > on F19. > > > > > > cd . && env > > >

Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-05 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Quoting Rahul Sundaram (2013-11-05 17:46:55) > Hi > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Manuel Faux wrote: > > > Is it correct that the NetBeans IDE is currently not packed for Fedora? I > > checked the "netbeans" package, which was last built for fc17. > > Is there any technical or license r

Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-05 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 11/05/2013 09:46 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Someone from Sun used to be the maintainer and noone is doing it right now. No technical or licensing issues if anyone is interested in packaging it afaik. I've been loving using netbeans however I've been using the upstream package.. I looked int

Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Manuel Faux wrote: > Is it correct that the NetBeans IDE is currently not packed for Fedora? I > checked the "netbeans" package, which was last built for fc17. > Is there any technical or license reason for this or is just nobody > packing it right now? > S

Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-05 Thread Manuel Faux
Is it correct that the NetBeans IDE is currently not packed for Fedora? I checked the "netbeans" package, which was last built for fc17. Is there any technical or license reason for this or is just nobody packing it right now? --ManuelFaux -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org htt

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 12:35 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 23:02, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > > The problem is not to get code in the hands of developers. You don't need > > distros for that. The problem is to get the code to end-users and > > developers spend more time f

[Test-Announce] Printing Test Day today (Tuesday 2013-11-05)

2013-11-05 Thread Kamil Paral
The Printing Test Day for Fedora 20 is today. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-11-05_Printing This test day is for testing all aspects of printing, including setting up the printer, sharing printers on the network, and printing jobs. The changes in Fedora 20 are relatively minor: swi

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.11.2013 17:22, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > Look at all the software that has been written for GTK1 and obsolete > libraries that hasn't been ported and therefore no longer runs on > Fedora. Wouldn't it have been nice to continue to have a practical > option to use that software, even if it doe

Re: gtk3 broken/missing icons on kde

2013-11-05 Thread drago01
On Tuesday, November 5, 2013, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 08:23 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Adam Williamson > > > > wrote: > > > On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 01:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >> Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> > I don't think we'd really

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I think it is a very bad idea to try to explicitly and officially support > third-party software, especially proprietary third-party software. The thing is, making third-party software easier to maintain and deploy will in the vast majority of

Re: gtk3 broken/missing icons on kde

2013-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 08:23 +0100, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 01:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > I don't think we'd really be correct in blocking the release for such > >> > issues - especially

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Christian Schaller
Hi Ryan, I been discussing the possibilities of doing some surveys with Langdon White, so hopefully yes. We just need to rustle up the budget first :) Christian - Original Message - From: "Ryan Lerch" To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" , devel@lists.fedoraprojec

[perl-Test-Simple] Created tag perl-Test-Simple-1.001002-1.fc21

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Howarth
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[perl-Test-Simple/f20] Update to 1.001002

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[perl-Module-Build] 0.4008 bump

2013-11-05 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
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Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Christian Schaller
The term 'Power user' is not meaningless if you use it to refer to users of Fedora on IBM Power architecture ;) But apart from that I do agree that the term as generally used doesn't provide a very clear target for development. Christian - Original Message - > From: "drago01" > To: "D

Re: Draft Workstation WG Governance Charter

2013-11-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: >> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 15:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Ray Strode wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Josh Boyer >>> > wrot

Re: Draft Workstation WG Governance Charter

2013-11-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 15:22 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Ray Strode wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Josh Boyer >> > wrote: >> >> The other positions will be filled by general election

Re: Packaging Python 3.4.0

2013-11-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 07:29:35AM -0500, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > Hi all, > I started working on updating python3 to 3.4.0. So far, this is only in > a private branch "python3.4" in dist-git, since I'll need to get a Change > approved for Fedora 21. I already created the Change [1], but I was told

Re: Source file audit - 2013-09-30

2013-11-05 Thread Patrick Monnerat
Kevin Fenzi wrote: monnerat:BADURL:openca-ocspd-1.5.1-rc1.tar.gz:ocspd The URL is not available anymore. I've just packaged 1.9.0 for rawhide/f20/f19/f18. It is not the latest version, but it's the latest that doesn't use libpki. I've submitted a review request for this library, but nobody w

Fedora 20-Beta RC3 AMIS

2013-11-05 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi all, Beta RC2 images have been uploaded to EC2 and are available at ami-afcc94c6 : us-east-1 image for i386 ami-a5cd95cc : us-east-1 image for x86_64 additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to files in the release tree htt

[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) Available Now!

2013-11-05 Thread Andre Robatino
NOTE: The 64-bit Desktop Live, and the 32- and 64-bit Security Spins are over their respective size targets. As per the Fedora 20 schedule [1], Fedora 20 Beta Release Candidate 3 (RC3) is now available for testing. Content information, including changes, can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/re

[Bug 1026716] perl-Test-Reporter-1.60 is available

2013-11-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026716 --- Comment #1 from Petr Pisar --- This is a bug-fixing release suitable for all Fedoras. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/token.cgi?t=gZL7bTRo

[perl-Test-Reporter] 1.60 bump

2013-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 00647923a7b0a583abb8f1b9513d6d8d83ffd35c Author: Petr Písař Date: Tue Nov 5 14:37:26 2013 +0100 1.60 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Test-Reporter.spec | 11 +++ sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) --- diff --git

File Test-Reporter-1.60.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-Reporter: e36fc3c25a71b2ceba2ae21c6a2e02fc Test-Reporter-1.60.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

[Bug 1026708] perl-IPC-Cmd-0.86 is available

2013-11-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026708 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version|

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 18:19 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Chris Murphy wrote: > > Right, because that's a model for success that shouldn't be either > > emulated or improved upon, it's better for each little fiefdom's paradise > > to erect walls to ensure cross influence isn't happening. > > Your i

Re: Old kernels from FC19

2013-11-05 Thread Łukasz Trąbiński
Thank I will try this solution and i will try catch ooops from kernel. 2013/11/5 Björn Persson > Łukasz Trąbiński wrote: > > when i boot machines with many ethernet devices I got > > random number ethX. Once eth0 is eth0, after reboot eth0 is eth1. > > After again boot eth1 is eth1 and so on. >

Re: Packages have "proxy" word.

2013-11-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 02:54:15PM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > Quoting Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (2013-11-01 13:52:31) > > On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 12:09:03PM +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 02:07:22AM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > > >

F-20 Branched report: 20131105 changes

2013-11-05 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Nov 5 09:15:06 UTC 2013 Broken deps for armhfp -- [blueman] blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires obex-data-server >= 0:0.4.3 blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires gvfs-obexftp [bwm-ng] bwm-ng-0.6

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:35:30 +0100 "Nicolas Mailhot" wrote: > And if that is the case, there is a huge disconnect between GNOME > goals and Fedora Workstation goals. GNOME speakers repeat all year > round their software is not aimed at "power users", but developers > are the über power user. > N

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:53:15 +0100 > drago01 wrote: > >> Depends on what you mean by "power user" (I hate this meaningless >> term) if it means "software developer" then >> yes. If it means "someone that spends his whole day in config >> dialo

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:53:15 +0100 drago01 wrote: > Depends on what you mean by "power user" (I hate this meaningless > term) if it means "software developer" then > yes. If it means "someone that spends his whole day in config > dialogs" then no. Maybe? http://www.techterms.com/definition/poweru

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 23:02, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > >> The problem is not to get code in the hands of developers. You don't need >> distros for that. The problem is to get the code to end-users and >> developers spend more time fight

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 23:02, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > >> The problem is not to get code in the hands of developers. You don't need >> distros for that. The problem is to get the code to end-users and >> developers spend more time figh

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 23:02, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > The problem is not to get code in the hands of developers. You don't need > distros for that. The problem is to get the code to end-users and > developers spend more time fighting the constrains it involves than trying > to understand this

Re: Old kernels from FC19

2013-11-05 Thread Björn Persson
Łukasz Trąbiński wrote: > when i boot machines with many ethernet devices I got > random number ethX. Once eth0 is eth0, after reboot eth0 is eth1. > After again boot eth1 is eth1 and so on. I had a problem like that, which began when I upgraded to Fedora 17. I worked around it by writing these Ud

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 06:19:48PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I disagree with the premise that to get anywhere, we would need to bend over > backwards to the proprietary market and adopt their inferior software > distribution strategies. If that were true, we could give up right here, > we'd h

[Bug 1026715] New: perl-Test-Class-0.40 is available

2013-11-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026715 Bug ID: 1026715 Summary: perl-Test-Class-0.40 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Test-Class Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: st...@silu

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 11:05:21PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > As all such schemes it works as long as you ignore the fact that apps > process data and communicate with other apps. That's not being overlooked. Probably the presentation already addresses this concern. -- Regards, Olav -- dev