Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 21:14, Adam Williamson a écrit : > I asked for evidence, not hypotheses. All you are currently doing is > making an assertion, over and over and over and over again. Pot, kettle I'll add another one: desktop people have complained for years just like you it was a legacy s

[perl-Lingua-Identify] Perl 5.18 rebuild

2013-07-20 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 0567b6d17ef60c00b10097d32d912ae13a6e0a97 Author: Petr Písař Date: Sun Jul 21 04:58:46 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-Lingua-Identify.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Lingua-Identify.spec b/perl-Lingua-Identify.spec index b

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-20 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 23:07 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> besides that these are config *examples* and not for production >> means they should not be overwritten after configuration: >> >> /etc/httpd/conf.d/z-name-allow.conf >> >> whate

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Lars Seipel
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:37:23PM +0300, Oron Peled wrote: > * We should add the local inbox to the default configuration of all >MUA's that can handle it (kmail, evolution, etc.) That'd be really nice. > * When Anaconda (or would it be first boot? I lost tracking...) is >setting the f

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-20 Thread Jan Pokorný
On 19/07/13 02:41 -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: >>> FAQ: >>> Q: Why do we need to switch to Python 3? >>> A: Because Python 2 is old, slower, less pythonic, doesn't get any more >>> functionality and

Re: Mean machinery...

2013-07-20 Thread Christopher Meng
My rawhide always have problem with cgroup. Sent from S3 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Oron Peled
On Friday 19 July 2013 15:46:25 Adam Williamson wrote: > ... We don't set up any mail reader to read this mail out of the box. OK, I won't count mailx and mutt because we talk about different audience, should we open bug-reports for the rest? (kmail? evolution?) > No app is very likely to know y

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 23:07 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 20.07.2013 22:59, schrieb Adam Williamson: > >> You should also be albe to use a reload, not necessarily a restart, to > >> get it working. (Although I've not been trying this with systemd!) > > > > 'apachectl reload' didn't seem to d

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 16:10 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I'm not sure if I'm missing anything here, but is it intended that > > webapps should not be accessible from anywhere but localhost by default? > > This seems to be the case fo

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-20 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I'm not sure if I'm missing anything here, but is it intended that > webapps should not be accessible from anywhere but localhost by default? > This seems to be the case for at least wordpress - which is my kind of > 'gold standard' for web

Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-20 Thread Adam Williamson
I'm not sure if I'm missing anything here, but is it intended that webapps should not be accessible from anywhere but localhost by default? This seems to be the case for at least wordpress - which is my kind of 'gold standard' for webapp packaging on Fedora, I use it as a reference - and roundcubem

Re: Plan to drop php-pecl-apc from Fedora - Urgent review needed

2013-07-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 09:47 +0200, Remi Collet wrote: > Hi, > > PHP opcode cache is a very important feature for sites with large traffic. > > APC is mostly a dead project. > No stable release for php 5.4, lot of issues. > > Upstream move most of dev resources to new "Zend OPcache" which will be

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 18:28 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 17:43, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > You seem to be chasing an argument I've never seen anyone produce > > before, without a single shred of concrete evidence to back it up: that > > the presence or absence of a n

Re: Mean machinery...

2013-07-20 Thread David
On 7/20/2013 12:36 AM, Doug Ledford wrote: > When a shutdown task isn't proceeding as planned on Fedora 19/rawhide, > am I the only one that feels like I'm staring down the monocle of a > Cylon and should be preparing to die? That or it's the hood from Kit > off of Knight Rider... > > Either way,

Re: Mean machinery...

2013-07-20 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:47:27AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 19 July 2013 22:36, Doug Ledford wrote: > > > When a shutdown task isn't proceeding as planned on Fedora 19/rawhide, > > am I the only one that feels like I'm staring down the monocle of a > > Cylon and should be preparing

Re: Mean machinery...

2013-07-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 19 July 2013 22:36, Doug Ledford wrote: > When a shutdown task isn't proceeding as planned on Fedora 19/rawhide, > am I the only one that feels like I'm staring down the monocle of a > Cylon and should be preparing to die? That or it's the hood from Kit > off of Knight Rider... > > Either way

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 17:43, Adam Williamson a écrit : > You seem to be chasing an argument I've never seen anyone produce > before, without a single shred of concrete evidence to back it up: that > the presence or absence of a non-functioning MTA by default in a single > Linux distribution will

rawhide report: 20130720 changes

2013-07-20 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Jul 20 13:28:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for i386 -- [MUMPS] MUMPS-4.10.0-9.fc20.i686 requires libmpi_f77.so.1 MUMPS-examples-4.10.0-9.fc20.i686 requires libmpi_f77.so.1 [aws] aws-2.11.0-16.fc20.i686

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 07/15/2013 08:00 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Even with an MTA installed, the default was for mail to root was to be unknowingly ignored. One of the first things I do on new installs is to change the line "Person who should get root's mail" in /etc/aliases so that root mail goes to the person in

Re: Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-20 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 20 July 2013 17:04:47 Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > How exactly is it different from when gcc grew standard C++ behaviour and > most C++ apps broke right and left? > > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html The same can be said about C++/11 that clearly looks (at least to me) as a new and bette

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 07/15/2013 07:54 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, we don't even install any MUA by default currently that would read local mail spools. Effectively, this means that currently the log output of cronjobs is more or less lost. A user normally installs a MUA of their choice as one of the fir

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 16:58 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 00:46, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 14:23 -0500, Billy Crook wrote: > > > >> > It's not as if the default MTA configuration, as I understand it (no > >> smart > >> > host, attempt to send all m

Self Introduction

2013-07-20 Thread Lars Kiesow
Hello everyone, my name is Lars Kiesow. I am a currently both studying and working at the University of Osnabrück (Germany) but will soon switch to the Fraunhofer Society for the advancement of applied research. I'm using Fedora since… well I'm not sure, but it has been some years now ;-) I've b

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 04:58:50PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > What won't be trivial *at* *all* is if you encourage app authors to invent > their own one-of-a-kind not-really-tested communication stack. God knows > they are already leaning towards wheel reinventing without any such system > ble

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 09:00:36AM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > You are thinking only about error output from cron jobs. Regular > output from cron jobs can be quite voluminous. Is it reasonable to send > 15 to 20 Kilobytes to the journal (root's logwatch job currently sends > that much every da

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 22:11, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : > Python3 is not an upgrade to Python2. > Python3 is a new language. It is compatible in many ways. If you can > target recent enough versions (at least python-2.6 but python2.7 is better > and python-3.3) you can set out to purposefully c

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 20:16, Matthew Miller a écrit : >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >>> However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications >>> is valuable - it brings a significant

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Billy Crook wrote: > On Jul 19, 2013 2:16 PM, "Bill Nottingham" wrote: >> >> It's not as if the default MTA configuration, as I understand it (no smart >> host, attempt to send all mail directly with the FQDN) is generally useful >> OOTB. > > It is to me, and I s

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 00:46, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 14:23 -0500, Billy Crook wrote: > >> > It's not as if the default MTA configuration, as I understand it (no >> smart >> > host, attempt to send all mail directly with the FQDN) is generally >> useful >> > OOTB. >> >> I

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 20:16, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications >> is valuable - it brings a significant system administration benefit of >> centralizing the SMTP config

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Robert Nichols
On 07/15/2013 09:14 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: This feature is about not doign local mail delivery by default, by not installing any MTA. Instead you find the log output of cronjobs at the same place as you find any other log output, the journal/syslog, for example accessible via: journalctl