Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.05.2013 22:27, schrieb Peter Robinson: >> You still have to configure it so doing a "yum install >> your-mta-of-choice" isn't hard and in fact in all environments I know >> of that have auto monitoring and alerting of drive failures

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 17:05 -0700, Ravindra Kumar wrote: > > Well, if comps groups can't subsume other comps groups, that rather > > seems to suck. The 'have these groups included in @standard and @base-x' > > approach seemed by quite a long margin the best one; the alternatives > > all seem to suc

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Ravindra Kumar
> Well, if comps groups can't subsume other comps groups, that rather > seems to suck. The 'have these groups included in @standard and @base-x' > approach seemed by quite a long margin the best one; the alternatives > all seem to suck. In the current situation, the closest we could get is directl

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 16:47 -0700, Ravindra Kumar wrote: > > I thought the intent was to have the groups themselves included in other > > groups; virt-agents in 'standard' and 'virt-agents-x' in 'base-x'. They > > would then be installed by default in most configurations, but could be > > specifica

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Ravindra Kumar
> I thought the intent was to have the groups themselves included in other > groups; virt-agents in 'standard' and 'virt-agents-x' in 'base-x'. They > would then be installed by default in most configurations, but could be > specifically left out via a kickstart if desired, and would not be in > mi

Rel-eng ticket: unblock mingw-openjpeg

2013-05-20 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi, I've resurrected mingw-openjpeg and opened this rel-eng ticket [1] to unblock it a while ago. Any chance anyone with the needed privileges can quickly take care of it? Thanks! Sandro [1] https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5611 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 20 mai 2013 à 17:01 -0600, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:55:24 -0700 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 21:27 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > if a disk dies it is nice to have it in syslog but > > > > it is useless if you see it days later whi

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 16:12 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > 3. If we ship sendmail/postfix/exim we can keep on as we are now, since > they can do local delivery out of the box. However, user needs to login > as root or otherwise check emails for root or configure it to send to > another email address

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:55:24 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 21:27 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > if a disk dies it is nice to have it in syslog but > > > it is useless if you see it days later while a mail > > > from crond is more or less real time > > > > You still

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 14:38 -0700, Ravindra Kumar wrote: > Thanks Bill. No issues with the checkin. > > I looked at the checked in files and I have following questions: > > 1. "false" and "false" >elements will make these packages not to be installed by default >and invisible to users. Th

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 21:27 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > if a disk dies it is nice to have it in syslog but > > it is useless if you see it days later while a mail > > from crond is more or less real time > > You still have to configure all of that and whether a MTA is installed > automatical

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Lots of things use /etc/aliases... > > I think we are drifting off point here. > > 1. If we ship no mta then things would be logged only and people would > have to know to look there. > > 2. If we ship a non local delivery mta (ssmtp/esmtp, et

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Lots of things use /etc/aliases... I think we are drifting off point here. 1. If we ship no mta then things would be logged only and people would have to know to look there. 2. If we ship a non local delivery mta (ssmtp/esmtp, etc), then we need a way to ask the user 'what email address shoul

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.05.2013 23:55, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > Am 20.05.2013 22:43, schrieb Peter Robinson: > >> you only need to edit *one line* in /etc/aliases > >> everybody who knows unix-like systems knows this > > > > So y

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.05.2013 22:43, schrieb Peter Robinson: > >> you only need to edit *one line* in /etc/aliases > >> everybody who knows unix-like systems knows this > > > > So your telling me your still using sendmail? > > what the hell has /et

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Ravindra Kumar
Thanks Bill. No issues with the checkin. I looked at the checked in files and I have following questions: 1. "false" and "false" elements will make these packages not to be installed by default and invisible to users. Then, how would it be installed? 2. We have open-vm-tools-devel package a

Re: when startup delays become bugs (dmraid)

2013-05-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/18/2013 05:17 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Sam 18 mai 2013 05:39, T.C. Hollingsworth a écrit : On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You could transfer the install to a system which contains a dmraid array, or add a dmraid array to an existing install (I think this th

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.05.2013 22:43, schrieb Peter Robinson: >> you only need to edit *one line* in /etc/aliases >> everybody who knows unix-like systems knows this > > So your telling me your still using sendmail? what the hell has /etc/aliases with sendmail to do? > And if that's the case it's not hard to d

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ravindra Kumar (ravindraku...@vmware.com) said: > Please let me know when can I checkin this change. Oops, my apologies. I got the OK from the translation list, so I checked in the change already. Hope that's not a problem. I added spice-vdagent and qemu-guest-agent where appropriate to the grou

Re: Glitch in "Upgrading from EOL Fedora using yum"

2013-05-20 Thread Philip A. Prindeville
And I had it showed systemd, dbus-daemon, atd, crond, cupsd, avahi-daemon, rpcbind, and all sorts of other things having open files in /var/run. Nothing was using it as a cwd. So I'm not sure why that would stop it from being renamed. On 05/13/2013 08:12 PM, Christopher Meng wrote: > > Mayb

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.05.2013 22:27, schrieb Peter Robinson: >> You still have to configure it so doing a "yum install >> your-mta-of-choice" isn't hard and in fact in all environments I know >> of that have auto monitoring and alerting of drive failures

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.05.2013 22:27, schrieb Peter Robinson: > You still have to configure it so doing a "yum install > your-mta-of-choice" isn't hard and in fact in all environments I know > of that have auto monitoring and alerting of drive failures configure > it automatically as part of a kickstart or puppet

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.05.2013 21:30, schrieb Peter Robinson: >>> I suggest not, because in most cases reviewing syslogs requires local >>> root privilege. Alert or warning emails are easily configured with >>> aliases or "MAILTO" settings for cron jobs t

Re: su starts behaving oddly sometimes on F19

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 12:41 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > If we look at the permissions: > > > > [root@adam Beta-RC2]# ls -lZ /run/gdm/auth-for-adamw-szT11D/database > > -rw---. adamw adamw system_u:object_r:xdm_var_run_t:s0 > > /run/gdm/auth-for-adamw-szT11D/database > > [root@adam Bet

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.05.2013 21:30, schrieb Peter Robinson: >> I suggest not, because in most cases reviewing syslogs requires local >> root privilege. Alert or warning emails are easily configured with >> aliases or "MAILTO" settings for cron jobs to go somewhere safer and >> less security sensitive, even some

Re: su starts behaving oddly sometimes on F19

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 12:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > [root@adam Beta-RC2]# strace -p 22182 > Process 22182 attached > restart_syscall(<... resuming interrupted call ...>) = 0 > open("/run/gdm/auth-for-adamw-szT11D/database-c", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, > 0600) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: >> On Wed, 15.05.13 09:08, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: >> >>> Once upon a time, Dan Mashal said: >>> > Sanity: Switching to postfix? >>> >>> That's a long-time so

Re: su starts behaving oddly sometimes on F19

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 12:33 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: > On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 22:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > This is a weird bug I've seen 3 or 4 times since upgrading to F19, and > > am having trouble pinning down. > > > > Occasionally, after my session has been up for some time, runs of

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 09:11:32AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> Perhaps interested parties could get behind/revive: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA >> and finish it out for f20? > > *nod* > > Hmmm -- "Percentage of completio

Re: Adding new group to comps-f19.xml.in

2013-05-20 Thread Ravindra Kumar
Addressed all comments from Bill and also renamed groups (virt-agents -> guest-agents, virt-agents-x -> guest-desktop-agents). Attached are updated patches and following are test results: [root@localhost yum.repos.d]# yum groupinfo guest-agents Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit There

[perl-Data-Section-Simple] Created tag perl-Data-Section-Simple-0.04-2.fc20

2013-05-20 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 13:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:25 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > > but still, it seems to be worth consider

[perl-Module-Build-Tiny] Created tag perl-Module-Build-Tiny-0.020-1.fc20

2013-05-20 Thread Paul Howarth
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[perl-Module-Build-Tiny] Created tag perl-Module-Build-Tiny-0.020-1.fc17

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Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 09:41 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Great. It's probably a bit late for Beta, but it would be awesome if we > could get it to behave as intended for final: hide unnecessary functions > and don't run unless needed (so in practice it'd only ever run to show > the user creatio

[perl-Module-Build-Tiny/f17] Update to 0.020

2013-05-20 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:25 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > but still, it seems to be worth considering. Alternatively, we could > > > make i-s behave a lot more like g

Re: QA Testscase: Installation with mountpoint inside future $HOME?

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Jones
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 06:42:47PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Sandro Mani wrote: > > > I've just hit a bug which causes $HOME to be owned by root if a mountpoint > > is created inside $HOME during install, see [1]. > > > > Ouch. Recent libuser versions refus

Re: QA Testscase: Installation with mountpoint inside future $HOME?

2013-05-20 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Sandro Mani wrote: > I've just hit a bug which causes $HOME to be owned by root if a mountpoint > is created inside $HOME during install, see [1]. > Ouch. Recent libuser versions refuse to do anything about a home directory (... which should cause the whole "cre

Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 05:07 -0400, Martin Sivak wrote: > It was actually intended to behave this way from the beginning. All > the screens are shared with Anaconda (and all we have right now live > as part of Anaconda source code). > > The hide/skip functionality is missing, but there is a proof

QA Testscase: Installation with mountpoint inside future $HOME?

2013-05-20 Thread Sandro Mani
Hello, I've just hit a bug which causes $HOME to be owned by root if a mountpoint is created inside $HOME during install, see [1]. I recall in the past already occasionally hitting related problems, such as: - /etc/skel/* not being copied to $HOME - Files from /etc/skel/* being copied, but sti

Re: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > Isn't anaconda-tools the group used to ensure that things anaconda may > need to install for particular hardware are present on images? Live & DVD/install images, yes. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: Review swaps

2013-05-20 Thread Björn Esser
Am Montag, den 20.05.2013, 15:47 +0200 schrieb Mattias Ellert: > Hi Hi Mattias! > I have a few review requests that I would like to arrange swaps for: > > 3 packages related to particle physics simulation: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877275 > Review Request: lhapdf - Les Hou

Review swaps

2013-05-20 Thread Mattias Ellert
Hi I have a few review requests that I would like to arrange swaps for: 3 packages related to particle physics simulation: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877275 Review Request: lhapdf - Les Houches Accord PDF Interface https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877396 Review Reque

Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread John . Florian
> From: Adam Williamson > As I mentioned in my initial post, the Law of Xkcd informs us that if we > change this so that user creation is mandatory, it will *inevitably* > piss someone off. Me for example, although I'd be more annoyed than pissed. ;-) Both at home and work I have all user accou

Re: Does -devel package name only indicate "C" development packages?

2013-05-20 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/18/2013 02:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 13:41 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 05/18/2013 01:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 06:18 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Well, there >>> may have been some

[Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Go/No-Go Meeting, Thursday, May 23 @ 17:00 UTC

2013-05-20 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Join us on irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-2 for this important meeting, wherein we shall determine the readiness of the Fedora 19 Beta. Thursday, May 23, 2013 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT, 10 AM PDT, 19:00 CEST) "Before each public release Development, QA and Release Engineering meet to determine if

F-19 Branched report: 20130520 changes

2013-05-20 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Mon May 20 09:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [byzanz] byzanz-0.3-0.5.fc17.x86_64 requires libpanel-applet-4.so.0()(64bit) [deltacloud-core] deltacloud-core-rhevm-1.1.3-1.fc19.noarch requires rubyge

[Test-Announce] Announcement: AnacondaNewUI Followup Test Day on May 21st

2013-05-20 Thread Kamil Paral
Good morning everyone, We would like to invite you to another Fedora 19 Test Day. The test day on Tuesday, May 21st [1] will be focused on recent changes in Anaconda (the installer) introduced as a part of follow-up to AnacondaNewUI project [2]. The main item for testing during this event is adva

Re: rawhide report: 20130520 changes

2013-05-20 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:57:29PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Daniel P. Berrange > wrote: > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:44:33AM +, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: > >> Compose started at Mon May 20 08:15:03 UTC 2013 > >> > >> Broken deps for x86_64 > >>

Re: rawhide report: 20130520 changes

2013-05-20 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:44:33AM +, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: >> Compose started at Mon May 20 08:15:03 UTC 2013 >> >> Broken deps for x86_64 >> -- >> [entangle] >>

Re: rawhide report: 20130520 changes

2013-05-20 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:44:33AM +, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: > Compose started at Mon May 20 08:15:03 UTC 2013 > > Broken deps for x86_64 > -- > [entangle] > entangle-0.5.1-1.fc20.x86_64 requires libgexiv2.so.1()(64bit) ...sn

rawhide report: 20130520 changes

2013-05-20 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon May 20 08:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [claws-mail-plugins] claws-mail-plugins-geolocation-3.9.0-7.fc20.x86_64 requires claws-mail(plugin-api)(x86-64) = 0:3.9.0.122 [dragonegg] dragonegg-3.1

Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, a quick note before I start: I am no longer maintainer of initial-setup. But since I started it I will answer some of the questions. > the main reason why we still have i-s while it's possible to do these > setup tasks in Anaconda itself are OEM installations. And I'm pretty > sure we don't

Re: anaconda / initial-setup / gnome-initial-setup: can we do this better?

2013-05-20 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 14:25 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > but still, it seems to be worth considering. Alternatively, we could > > make i-s behave a lot more like g-i-s: it could dump its 'root password' > > and 'date/time' spokes, and only run at all, and only

[Test-Announce] 2013-05-20 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2013-05-20 Thread Adam Williamson
days. And then we'll move on to the blocker review meeting that will follow immediately after. This is a reminder of the upcoming QA meeting. Please add any topic suggestions to the meeting wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130520 The current proposed agenda is included belo

Re: Soname bump libpng (rawhide) - new libraries libpng.16.so and libpng16.so.16.2.0

2013-05-20 Thread Petr Hracek
Just a one short question. You are talking about side tag. Could you please describe me what are you talking about? It seems like I am a newbie. Best regards / S pozdravem Petr Hracek On 05/17/2013 09:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 08:58 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On F