Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Saturday, April 13, 2013 08:36:53 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > (1) -fstack-protector{,-all} doesn't implement full bounds checking > > for every C object. > > But it prevents (with probability (256^n-1)/256^n, where n is the size of > the canary in bytes, which for n=4 is approximately .

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.04.2013 00:03, schrieb Kevin Kofler: > Richard Hughes wrote: >> Using PackageKit and yum on the command line is often painful as we >> have to always download metadata unless it's less than a few hours >> old. Being able to update the metadata once a week would be awesome >> (with the possi

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:28:04 PM Jerry James wrote: > > I have not run the script that checks a distribution on F19 yet, so maybe > > there are more? > > > > http://people.redhat.com/sgrubb/files/rpm-chksec > > That script reports all .o files (yes, those are sometimes packaged) > as "exec

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Saturday, April 13, 2013 08:44:44 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 08:36:53PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > (1) -fstack-protector{,-all} doesn't implement full bounds checking > > > for every C object. > > > > But it prevents (with probabil

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 6 (TC6) Available Now!

2013-04-13 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 04/13/2013 01:52 AM, Andre Robatino wrote: > *IMPORTANT*: Same images as with 19 Alpha TC3 through RC2 are over their > size targets (all DVDs and Lives with the exception of Live KDE and Live > SoaS). Also, note that this is the first time a TC follows an RC (namely > RC2). This is due to seve

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I said it "doesn't implement full bounds checking for every C object", > and I stand by that. I doesn't cover stack objects smaller than some > cut-off size, nor any objects in static data or on the heap at all. I never claimed it did. I said it prevents overwriting th

Re: Recommended memory size for F19?

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I don't contest this, but it is still less complex than expecting all the > unix software that has been written in the last decades to stop using /tmp > for big files because it is suddenly limited by memory limits. > > I don't mind systemd exploring new concepts (and in f

Re: Recommended memory size for F19?

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > For seriously lightweight window managers, I've been using "vtwm" for > years, still published by the Penguin Liberation Front and listed at > http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/13029794/dir/mandriva_2010/com/vtwm-5.4.7-1plf.i586.rpm.html. Be warned that PLF pac

Re: Autoconf in rawhide broken?

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Pavel Raiskup wrote: > Well - I probably missed something before. What confused me: after > changes in *your* package, the 'perl(Carp)' dependency appeared in *my* > package? The problem was that the perl RPM had an automatic Provides: perl(Carp) without actually providing the module at perl lev

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Miller wrote: > Overall, it's a more predictable workload, which *is* a good idea, for > both volunteer and otherwise. No, sorry, but as volunteers, we have other commitments which mean we cannot always do our Fedora work when some central Fedora schedule dictates it. The mad rushes at r

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: > there where i need this test-machines and internal repos exists > but i do NOT need anybody to hold back updates for me Agreed 100%, this is really silly. If you don't want updates, just don't update! > but Fedora IS NOT RHEL > if you want the RHEL way use it +1 That hor

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Hughes wrote: > You can't QA a trickle. Sure you can! It's a basic rule of QA that small isolated changes can be debugged much better than a huge hodgepodge of many totally unrelated changes. > If packages are small and self-contained then sure, it might work, but > applications dependi

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Hughes wrote: > Using PackageKit and yum on the command line is often painful as we > have to always download metadata unless it's less than a few hours > old. Being able to update the metadata once a week would be awesome > (with the possible exception of security updates) so that we could

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
John5342 wrote: > I think searching applications by default is a stupid idea when that > web app is mostly used by packagers I think it's a stupid idea, period. The default should be to search all packages. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > Users should not be switched automatically to Mariadb on upgrades Of course they should! That's the point of switching! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 08:36:53PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > (1) -fstack-protector{,-all} doesn't implement full bounds checking > > for every C object. > > But it prevents (with probability (256^n-1)/256^n, where n is the size of > the canary in bytes, which for

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Dhiru Kholia
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Dhiru Kholia wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: >> On Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:19:42 PM Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Is there a tracker bug? Proven packagers can help >> >> I have a tracker bug for issues identified on the core set of

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Dhiru Kholia
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:19:42 PM Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Is there a tracker bug? Proven packagers can help > > I have a tracker bug for issues identified on the core set of packages that > would be part of a common criteria certificat

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > (1) -fstack-protector{,-all} doesn't implement full bounds checking > for every C object. But it prevents (with probability (256^n-1)/256^n, where n is the size of the canary in bytes, which for n=4 is approximately .976717) exploiting the overflows to change

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Jerry James
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Steve Grubb wrote: > I have not run the script that checks a distribution on F19 yet, so maybe > there are more? > > http://people.redhat.com/sgrubb/files/rpm-chksec That script reports all .o files (yes, those are sometimes packaged) as "exec no no", with a red

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.04.2013 19:46, schrieb Steve Grubb: > http://people.redhat.com/sgrubb/files/rpm-chksec > > To check a typical install and only get the packages that do not meet policy, > ./rpm-chksec --all | sed -r "s/\x1B\[([0-9]{1,2}(;[0-9]{1,2})?)?[m|K]//g" | > egrep -w 'no|PACKAGE' > > A small sampl

Package EVR problems in Fedora 2013-04-13

2013-04-13 Thread buildsys
Broken upgrade path report for tags f19 -> f20: BitchX: f19 > f20 (BitchX-1.2.1-1.fc19 BitchX-1.2-21.fc19) bind10: f19 > f20 (bind10-1.0.0-2.fc19 bind10-1.0.0-1.fc19) cgnslib: f19 > f20 (cgnslib-3.2-1.fc19 cgnslib-3.1-5.r4.fc19) emacs-identica-mode: f19 > f20 (emacs-identica-mode

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:19:42 PM Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Steve Grubb wrote: > > I don't think there is any need to extend the set of packages that > > _should_ > > get hardening. The current guidelines are sufficient. What is not > > happening is > > the pac

Re: rawhide report: 20130413 changes

2013-04-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 16:53:14 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: Le samedi 13 avril 2013 à 11:10 +, Fedora Rawhide Report a écrit : Compose started at Sat Apr 13 08:15:26 UTC 2013 [system-config-kickstart] system-config-kickstart-2.9.1-1.fc20.noarch requires Requires: Quite eas

Re: any one interested in generating reports for package reviews ?

2013-04-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > > > Share the ticket once you have opened it. > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3748 Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Steve Grubb wrote: > > I don't think there is any need to extend the set of packages that _should_ > get hardening. The current guidelines are sufficient. What is not > happening is > the packages that have apps that fit the need to be hardened are not > getting >

Re: any one interested in generating reports for package reviews ?

2013-04-13 Thread Rakesh Pandit
On 13 April 2013 09:14, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 17:20 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Yeah. Part of the reason I suggested this to you long back was that >> it keeps the idea of reviews as part of the conversation for this list >> but also because it was a nod of recognition for

Re: any one interested in generating reports for package reviews ?

2013-04-13 Thread Rakesh Pandit
On 13 April 2013 12:37, Christopher Meng wrote: > Just followed the script link and got cgit error. > Hi, The link would be: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/triage.git/tree/scripts/bzReviewReport.py Regards, -- Rakesh Pandit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rakesh freedom, friends, feature

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Friday, April 12, 2013 06:44:33 AM Josh Bressers wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > which is exactly the goal ASLR is desigend for > > It's designed to make certain types of attacks more difficult. It > doesn't make them impossible, just much harder. > > Here

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Grubb
On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 03:55:46 PM Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Hello all, > the discussion has somewhat died down... If you have a specific proposal > for a change in policy, please add it to > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1104 ; hard data that demonstrate the > impact, if any, in a sit

Re: rawhide report: 20130413 changes

2013-04-13 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 13 avril 2013 à 11:10 +, Fedora Rawhide Report a écrit : > Compose started at Sat Apr 13 08:15:26 UTC 2013 > [system-config-kickstart] > system-config-kickstart-2.9.1-1.fc20.noarch requires Requires: Quite easy to fix : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=951830 --

Re: Meet and greet

2013-04-13 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 04/13/2013 01:09 PM, James walsh wrote: Hello everyone, I've been one of those long time power users (around 2001 I think) that has finally decided to participate a little. Welcome! Mostly just made things out of necessity for myself/clients sometimes sending patches upstream. But t

F-19 Branched report: 20130413 changes

2013-04-13 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sat Apr 13 09:15:15 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [aeolus-conductor] aeolus-conductor-0.10.6-2.fc19.noarch requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [alexandria] alexandria-0.6.9-4.fc19.noarch requires ruby(abi) >=

rawhide report: 20130413 changes

2013-04-13 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Apr 13 08:15:26 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [aeolus-conductor] aeolus-conductor-0.10.6-2.fc19.noarch requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [amide] amide-1.0.0-4.fc19.x86_64 requires libvolpack.so.1()(64bit

Meet and greet

2013-04-13 Thread James walsh
Hello everyone, I've been one of those long time power users (around 2001 I think) that has finally decided to participate a little. Mostly just made things out of necessity for myself/clients sometimes sending patches upstream. But think it could be rewarding to get a little more involved. As su

Re: any one interested in generating reports for package reviews ?

2013-04-13 Thread Christopher Meng
Just followed the script link and got cgit error. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: New package group request

2013-04-13 Thread Eugene Pivnev
13.04.2013 01:46, Bill Nottingham: Eugene Pivnev (ti.eug...@gmail.com) said: I propose to create "QtDesktop" group - for qt-only applications. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_groups?rd=PackageMaintainers/CompsXml#New_groups What is the use case for 'too