Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:36:57AM +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones > > wrote: > > > Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I > > > have tried many, and none

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

Once upon a time, Josh Boyer said: > My patch put it in /usr/lib/sysctl.d, just coming from systemd itself. > We could possibly throw that file into initscripts if systemd doesn't > want to make that change (though I think Lennart would have the same > objection). The rest of the standard sysctl

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: >> On Thu, 14.03.13 18:32, Josh Boyer (jwbo...@gmail.com) wrote: >> >>> > Everything about these restrictions is described in detail in the commit: >>> > http://git.kernel.org/cgit/li

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: >> Hmm, I'd very much prefer if the defaults are built into the kernel, and >> that sysctl in userspace is then used only by the admin to override these >> defaults, so that by default we ship with em

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 14.03.13 18:32, Josh Boyer (jwbo...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> > Everything about these restrictions is described in detail in the commit: >> > http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=800179c9b8a1e79

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > Hmm, I'd very much prefer if the defaults are built into the kernel, and > that sysctl in userspace is then used only by the admin to override these > defaults, so that by default we ship with empty sysctl.d/ dirs. > > So, before I merge anything like

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

On Thu, 14.03.13 18:32, Josh Boyer (jwbo...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Everything about these restrictions is described in detail in the commit: > > http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=800179c9b8a1e796e441674776d11cd4c05d61d7 > > > > I'm happy to answer any questio

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

Ok, apparently Mutt is a bit stupider than I thought. Let's try this again. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 02:20:04PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > We already do, Good. > but this protection does protect unconfined_t and for those who Maybe we're ready to except a confined user by default. Something

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

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Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Kees Cook wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 09:08:48AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 03/14/2013 04:09 AM, yersinia wrote: >> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Daniel J Walsh > > > wrote: >> > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Ha

Re: recent kernel broke suspend

On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 07:04 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > I'm getting unreliable suspend. This seems to be the problem: > > Mar 14 05:39:58 nbecker1 kernel: [140688.356449] nouveau [ DRM] > suspending > fbcon... > Mar 14 05:39:58 nbecker1 kernel: [140688.356459] nouveau [ DRM] > suspen

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

> I see one problem with this approach: we're bound to have some update > slipping into stable which breaks something that isn't caught in > testing. If we do something like that, there needs to be a "fast lane" > for updates fixing such broken updates so people don't have to wait a > month for the

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

> "First even if broken" is a pretty extreme interpretation of "First". > > "First working" is much better - and it fits with the purpose of a > distribution, to make sure that the various pieces are integrated > together (and to help upstream make it happen if necessary). There is no way you can

Re: Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:51:49 +0100 > "Nicolas Mailhot" wrote: > >> >> Le Jeu 14 mars 2013 21:26, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : >> > I'll note that this does not affect rawhide installs, unless you >> > first installed fedora-release-19. >> > >> > If y

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

I think this thread has run it's course... lets stop here, and those folks with concrete changes or proposals can work on those. I don't think we are adding much new to the debate at this point. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 14/03/13 01:52 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 14.03.2013 21:50, schrieb Lennart Poettering: Well, then update your hardware That effectively means that *virtually all* laptops from 2013 on will POST in ridiculously short times. Really, just go to your computer store, and look for any laptop

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Am 14.03.2013 21:50, schrieb Lennart Poettering: > Well, then update your hardware > > That effectively means that *virtually all* laptops from 2013 on will > POST in ridiculously short times. > > Really, just go to your computer store, and look for any laptop that is > designed for Windows 8 WO

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 09:08:48AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 03/14/2013 04:09 AM, yersinia wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Daniel J Walsh > > wrote: > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > > > sysctl -a | grep protected fs.protected

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > Well, then update your hardware. As mentioned before, the Windows 8 > certification requires POST of < 2s on SSD, and < 4s on rotating media. Well, no. My hardware works just fine; I intend to use it for years to come. I really don't care about Windo

Re: Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:51:49 +0100 "Nicolas Mailhot" wrote: > > Le Jeu 14 mars 2013 21:26, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > > I'll note that this does not affect rawhide installs, unless you > > first installed fedora-release-19. > > > > If you went to fedora-release-20 to follow rawhide, everything is >

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On 03/14/2013 04:33 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: I didn't realize that my method was 'relying on the kindness of strangers' for including the relevant CVE data in the changelog, but it often gives a quick, direct answer for the specific system you're on. If this was accidental rather than a p

Re: Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

Le Jeu 14 mars 2013 21:26, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > I'll note that this does not affect rawhide installs, unless you first > installed fedora-release-19. > > If you went to fedora-release-20 to follow rawhide, everything is fine. Sure, I got autobranched automatically. It usually takes me longer t

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 13.03.13 15:14, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: > Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett said: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 02:52:23PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > > That doesn't seem all that significant to me; I guess we have different > > > measures (to me "significantly slow down t

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On 03/14/2013 11:47 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/14/2013 11:34 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Aah, wait a minute. I was tickled pink when I discovered that I can look for vulnerability profile of a package by doing rpm --changelog -q php | grep CVE if RPM changelog is for packaging only this

Re: Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

I'll note that this does not affect rawhide installs, unless you first installed fedora-release-19. If you went to fedora-release-20 to follow rawhide, everything is fine. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorap

Re: Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

On 14/03/13 01:12 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 14 mars 2013 20:57, Adam Williamson a écrit : So - don't get bitten by this :) If you really want to get on the F19 branch, then just make sure you hand-check your grub config file before rebooting. Thank you for posting this I was trying t

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 14/03/13 10:51 AM, Björn Persson wrote: Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 03/11/2013 05:03 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Your TV (which likely has embedded Linux)? Your car? Windows? OS X? I don't have any of those, and I doubt I'll ever buy a car when I want a general-purpose computer. How do you

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On 14/03/13 08:34 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 03/12/2013 09:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/12/2013 08:17 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: What is the point of the RPM changelog then? RPM changelog is for packaging changes. Bodhi update notes are for the user. They are not merely redunda

Re: Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 09:12:58PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Jeu 14 mars 2013 20:57, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > So - don't get bitten by this :) If you really want to get on the F19 > > branch, then just make sure you hand-check your grub config file before > > rebooting. >

Re: New groups in comps for F19

On 14/03/13 08:09 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: I haven't been able to find out yet because my rawhide machine is broken but, intltool definitely needs to stay there. Well, feel free to re-add it if you think that it is common tool that developers regularly use. I don't share that thought but I certai

Re: Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

Le Jeu 14 mars 2013 20:57, Adam Williamson a écrit : > So - don't get bitten by this :) If you really want to get on the F19 > branch, then just make sure you hand-check your grub config file before > rebooting. Thank you for posting this I was trying to understand why grub refused to propose ne

Rawhide / F19 tester PSA: Don't install the F19 fedora-release yet. If you do, don't install a kernel. If you do THAT, don't reboot.

So I installed fedora-release from the F19 repo and did a yum distro-sync today. Then I installed a new kernel build. Then I rebooted. Then nothing would boot at all. It turns out this is because the release name of Fedora 19 is: Schrödinger's Cat with a single quote used as an apostrophe. Th

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/14/2013 10:08 AM, Casey Dahlin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 09:08:48AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> Well I believe Ubunto has been using this feature for years and maybe we >> should consider turning it on via systemd or a unit file. The

Re: f19 mass branching

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:05:27 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 13.3.2013 14:28, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:03:26 +0100 > > Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > >> Dne 13.3.2013 10:

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 03/11/2013 05:03 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > > >> Your TV (which likely has embedded Linux)? Your car? > >> Windows? OS X? > > > > I don't have any of those, and I doubt I'll ever buy a car when I want > > a general-purpose computer. > > How do you know you don't

Re: f19 mass branching

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:05:27 +0100 > Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> Dennis, I don't blame you, but since you refer the ticket here, I can >> easily quote: >> >> > However, this also means users using branched updates-testing get >> newer packages th

Re: f19 mass branching

Dne 14.3.2013 16:17, Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:05:27 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: Dennis, I don't blame you, but since you refer the ticket here, I can easily quote: > However, this also means users using branched updates-testing get newer packages than rawhide, > and rawh

[Bug 921652] perl-App-cpanminus-1.6006 is available

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Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/11/2013 05:03 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Your TV (which likely has embedded Linux)? Your car? Windows? OS X? I don't have any of those, and I doubt I'll ever buy a car when I want a general-purpose computer. How do you know you don't have them? They don't show anything at boot, and run

[perl-Net-GitHub/f19] 0.51 bump

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[perl-Net-GitHub] 0.51 bump

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[perl-App-cpanminus] 1.6006 bump

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[Bug 921653] perl-Net-GitHub-0.51 is available

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Re: ruby 2 question

On 03/14/2013 08:36 AM, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: Hello: Orion Poplawski wrote, at 03/14/2013 07:58 AM +9:00: I get the following build (actually install) error building mysql-ruby: Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.D2sqcQ + umask 022 + cd /builddir/build/BUILD + '[' /builddir/build/

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

On 03/14/2013 09:34 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Okay, looks like upstream cmake has a patch, I'll get it into rawhide ASAP. Scratch that, it was a hack for Arch Linux's hacked version of ImageMagick sonames that doesn't work for Fedora. Will need to work on a fix... -- Orion Poplawski Tec

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[perl-App-cpanminus/f19] 1.6006 bump

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[Bug 921652] perl-App-cpanminus-1.6006 is available

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Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:03:18 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: On 03/13/2013 09:27 AM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: We now changed the Requires in akonadi-mysql to mariadb-server to be sure of what we get. This dependency is a problem. It makes it impossible to install MySQL-server on a KDE system since

[Bug 921652] perl-App-cpanminus-1.6006 is available

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Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On 03/14/2013 11:34 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Aah, wait a minute. I was tickled pink when I discovered that I can look for vulnerability profile of a package by doing rpm --changelog -q php | grep CVE if RPM changelog is for packaging only this info wouldn't be there, right? If so, what wo

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:08:55 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: On 03/13/2013 09:27 AM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:25:02 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: On 03/12/2013 01:14 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:58:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Honza Horak wrote: Thi

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > How about turning the messages that Plymouth needs to display into > pictures? There would be a set of pre-rendered image files with > translations of the phrase "Press Esc if you want to see what's going > on." for all the different loc

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On 03/12/2013 09:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/12/2013 08:17 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: What is the point of the RPM changelog then? RPM changelog is for packaging changes. Bodhi update notes are for the user. They are not merely redundant copies of the same information. Aah, wait a

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

On 03/14/2013 09:30 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 03/14/2013 02:18 AM, Remi Collet wrote: Le 13/03/2013 23:49, Orion Poplawski a écrit : In any case, this is going to be pretty disruptive. I think we need to do some hard thinking about whether we want to go with this naming scheme or not. If

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

On 03/14/2013 02:18 AM, Remi Collet wrote: Le 13/03/2013 23:49, Orion Poplawski a écrit : In any case, this is going to be pretty disruptive. I think we need to do some hard thinking about whether we want to go with this naming scheme or not. If we do, I think we need to do IM development in

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

Once upon a time, John Reiser said: > The other descriptions of fs.protected_*links say that the protection > applies to the lookup side when following a link, and not to the > creation side when installing the link. So the potential vulnerabilities > still can be created, but damage is averted a

[perl-Net-Twitter] Update to 4.00004. Upstream changed to Module::Build instead of MakeMaker as well.

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[Bug 921653] New: perl-Net-GitHub-0.51 is available

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Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

>>> sysctl -a | grep protected fs.protected_hardlinks = 0 >>> fs.protected_symlinks = 0 >> I apologize for the ignorance - but what do these _do_. > They block a non priv user from hardlinking/softlinking to files they don't > own. > > ln /etc/shadow ~/myshadow The other descriptions of fs.pr

Re: f19 mass branching

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:05:27 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dennis, I don't blame you, but since you refer the ticket here, I can > easily quote: > > > However, this also means users using branched updates-testing get > newer packages than rawhide, > > and rawhide lags behind on fixes until thos

[Bug 921652] New: perl-App-cpanminus-1.6006 is available

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Rawhide Bugzilla Rebase Warning

Hi, as decided on yesterday's (2013-03-13) FESCo meeting [1], we are going to restart the Rawhide Bugzilla Rebase process [2]. Historically, it was tight to the Branch day, but to give you more time to adjust your bugs, it will happen no sooner than in one week from now - it means 2013-03-21.

Re: New groups in comps for F19

On 14. 3. 2013 at 04:58:51, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > > On 14. 3. 2013 at 04:48:33, Dan Mashal wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > >> > Hi guys, > >> > as per [1], I'd like to propose some patches for F19 comps. These > >

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:24 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 03:41 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: How about we just drop support for 2 fedora releases to 1 and go on an 8 month cycle? It's not that bad. Dan I think you'd find plenty of support for that idea iff GNOME switch

Re: ruby 2 question

Dne 14.3.2013 15:36, Mamoru TASAKA napsal(a): Hello: Orion Poplawski wrote, at 03/14/2013 07:58 AM +9:00: I get the following build (actually install) error building mysql-ruby: Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.D2sqcQ + umask 022 + cd /builddir/build/BUILD + '[' /builddir/build

Re: ruby 2 question

Hello: Orion Poplawski wrote, at 03/14/2013 07:58 AM +9:00: I get the following build (actually install) error building mysql-ruby: Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.D2sqcQ + umask 022 + cd /builddir/build/BUILD + '[' /builddir/build/BUILDROOT/ruby-mysql-2.8.2-9.fc20.i386 '!=' /

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 18:05 +0100, Jan Dvořák wrote: > * Holding key on BIOS machines usually results in a long beep > sound and keyboard lockup. I never understood why. AIUI, key repetition and a very short buffer holding only a low number (16 I believe) of unprocessed key events. When the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:12:54PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > +1 -1 Or in other words: This is not Google+, please don't quote entire emails. I do remember the AOL time. An argument can stand on itself without a popularity vote. -- Regards, Olav -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 03:41 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > > How about we just drop support for 2 fedora releases to 1 and go on an > 8 month cycle? > > It's not that bad. > > Dan I think you'd find plenty of support for that idea iff GNOME switched to 8 months as well. signature.asc Description:

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 03:37:23AM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > When I think of improving the booting experience tonight, I think of a > booter that can't repair itself when it's broken not Plymouth...can we > fix real broken things before we fix an annoying thing like plymouth? Of course we can. T

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 11:52 +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > Intentionally dumbing down the system so that even idiots can use it > will result in *only* idiots using it. You should tone down your comments a little. Denigrating people who don't share knowledge about computers at a level similar to y

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 22:49 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > So did I, and I think his proposal is an awful idea. (Unfortunately, > question time at DevConf is always very short, so I didn't get to voice my > disapproval in the talk.) We are not Window$ (think "patch Tuesday") nor > RHEL. We're a di

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 09:08:48AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > Well I believe Ubunto has been using this feature for years and maybe we > should consider turning it on via systemd or a unit file. The breakage of AFD > is not a legitimate reason for Fedora to turn it off. Why not add an LSM cal

[perl-IPC-Cmd/f19] Set epoch to compete with core module from perl.spec

Summary of changes: d1d0b17... Set epoch to compete with core module from perl.spec (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.or

[perl-IPC-Cmd] Set epoch to compete with core module from perl.spec

commit d1d0b17858e94a86e077babf4d822c17e01c3075 Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Mar 14 14:56:11 2013 +0100 Set epoch to compete with core module from perl.spec perl-IPC-Cmd.spec |7 ++- 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-IPC-Cmd.spec b/perl-IPC-Cmd

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 09:09 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: > On 03/14/2013 07:06 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > > > On 03/11/2013 10:48 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > (And on EFI systems that do not initialize USB anymore during POST, you > > > > have to go through the OS

Re: rawhide report: 20130314 changes

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> Summary: >>> Added Packages: 1 >>> Removed Packages: 1 >>> Upgraded Packages: 45 >>> Size of added packages: 5107 (5.0 k) >>> Size change of modified packages: 8168436 (7.8 M) >>> Size of removed packages: 29396 (29 k) >>> Size change: 814

Re: rawhide report: 20130314 changes

>> Summary: >> Added Packages: 1 >> Removed Packages: 1 >> Upgraded Packages: 45 >> Size of added packages: 5107 (5.0 k) >> Size change of modified packages: 8168436 (7.8 M) >> Size of removed packages: 29396 (29 k) >> Size change: 8144147 (7.8 M) >> Compose finisheded at Thu Mar 14 10:51:53 UTC 20

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/14/2013 07:06 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On 03/11/2013 10:48 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: (And on EFI systems that do not initialize USB anymore during POST, you have to go through the OS to get into the boot loader anyway...) That's going to be real fun when the OS

Re: Is there a reason we do not turn on the file system hardlink/symlink protection in Rawhide?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/14/2013 04:09 AM, yersinia wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Daniel J Walsh > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > sysctl -a | grep protected fs.protected_hardlinks = 0 fs.protected_sym

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/14/2013 06:52 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On 03/11/2013 08:49 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 03/11/2013 02:41 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Yes, why not display the Grub menu? Because it's the year 2013. Not 1999. Whether any text is displayed or not, there still needs to be a long enough

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

Dne 14.3.2013 10:43, Jaroslav Reznik napsal(a): - Original Message - unlike other major distros, other updates have less helpful descriptions: * "Update to latest upstream version" * "No update information available" * "Here is where you give an explanation of your update. Here is where

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: >> RHEL. We're a distribution with "First" as one of its main objectives. Our >> users do not want to wait up to a month for updates! > > It is interesting how you redefine the meaning of "First". At the DevConf you > were blaming NetworkManage

Re: New groups in comps for F19

On 14. 3. 2013 at 04:48:33, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > > Hi guys, > > as per [1], I'd like to propose some patches for F19 comps. These patches > > are splitting group called Development Tools into several smaller groups. > > The purpose of this email

Re: New groups in comps for F19

On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 04:48 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > > Please undo this change immediately and wait more than 2 days before > you split such a massive group of important packages. Maybe you could say what you find problematic with these changes instead of this aggressive tone? Pierre -- devel

Re: New groups in comps for F19

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > Hi guys, > as per [1], I'd like to propose some patches for F19 comps. These patches are > splitting group called Development Tools into several smaller groups. The > purpose of this email is to find out if there is something fundamentally wrong

Re: Review Request 17: Implement Bugzilla Account Association

> On March 13, 2013, 9:32 p.m., Tim Flink wrote: > > blockerbugs/controllers/main.py, line 293 > > > > > > How come you broke this up as a separate function? It seems a bit > > stylistically different from the rest

Re: Review Request 17: Implement Bugzilla Account Association

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Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/12/2013 02:33 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote: > >> How many times do you boot your system each day? 10? Okay thats a >> whole 20 additional seconds. > > This is way up on my list of most non-sensical arguments about building

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Why is it so imtimidating / confusing to "noobs"? Dan On Wednesday, March 13, 2013, deep64blue wrote: > On Wed Mar 13 00:32:09 UTC 2013 Máirín Duffy wrote: > > "Displaying information geared towards power users by default is > intimidating / confusing to less-knowledgeable users." > > Surely if

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/12/2013 01:07 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: >> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: >> >>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson >>> wrote: Or nothing at all displayed unless the user

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/11/2013 10:48 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > Lennart Poettering wrote: >> (And on EFI systems that do not initialize USB anymore during POST, you >> have to go through the OS to get into the boot loader anyway...) > > That's going to be real fun when the OS fails to boot, and I can't fix > the b

recent kernel broke suspend

I'm getting unreliable suspend. This seems to be the problem: Mar 14 05:39:58 nbecker1 kernel: [140688.356449] nouveau [ DRM] suspending fbcon... Mar 14 05:39:58 nbecker1 kernel: [140688.356459] nouveau [ DRM] suspending display... Mar 14 05:39:58 nbecker1 kernel: [140688.356473] nouv

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/11/2013 10:30 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > Lennart Poettering wrote: >> On Mon, 11.03.13 21:20, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: >> >>> Peter Robinson wrote: It use to only be displayed if there was more than one OS configured or if the CTRL was held down. Having to press a

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/11/2013 09:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > Chris Murphy wrote: >> A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to get to >> the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably should >> entirely suppress the menu or notice how to get to it. > > What if I nee

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/11/2013 09:45 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit : >> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: >> >>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson >>> wrote: Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens t

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