Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 24, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > 2x 80GB virtual disks, mkfs.btrfs -d raid1 -m raid1: > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sdb160G 56K 158G 1% /mnt Also, copying a 1G file to /mnt, and I end up with: # df -h Filesystem Siz

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 18:57 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/SyslinuxOption = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SyslinuxOption > > > > Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller > > > > This feature will make Syslinux an option

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 17:30 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 01/24/2013 04:28 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) said: > >> On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:03 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I have tried to migrating the cron jobs of the inn packag

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 11:18 +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > But we would need the autoqa part to exist and be ready for this. > > I dunno what the scope of autoqa is, but even a simple dependancy > check would be sufficient - no need to wait for a full automated > qa system to be built. A

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:46:24PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > We are all grown up enough to decide for our own, just give the > information and let the admin take care of that. Well, that's the problem. Most of our users (including many of the professional sysadmins) are *not* able to make a ful

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 17:04 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/FirstClassCloudImages = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FirstClassCloudImages > > Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller > > This feature expands Fedora's current cloud image deliverables beyond just > EC2, and overha

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 04:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 24.01.13 21:15, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 00:12 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > I mean, here's an example: let's say openssl is updated, which is > > > pulled > > > in by a ton of ot

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > Well that's not the one I was thinking of, actually - I believe I was > hit by cases where some subvols use redundancy, in which case df goes > completely wrong. I'd have to re-install and re-check to be sure of > exactly what I saw go

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 21:15, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 00:12 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I mean, here's an example: let's say openssl is updated, which is > > pulled > > in by a ton of other things, for example the libc NSS LDAP module. The > > libc NSS is use

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 19:56 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 24, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > Just about everything in btrfs is really different :) I'm still > wrapping > > my head around it too. But as far as possible, the 'legacy' tools > should > > show something as ac

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 24, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Just about everything in btrfs is really different :) I'm still wrapping > my head around it too. But as far as possible, the 'legacy' tools should > show something as accurate and useful as they can, I believe. For mount, the only issue I

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 00:12 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > I mean, here's an example: let's say openssl is updated, which is > pulled > in by a ton of other things, for example the libc NSS LDAP module. The > libc NSS is used by at least half of all processes running on your > system, > and the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: > Honestly, I'd be curious as to whether we could get all the compatibility > testing done early enough, and packages changed, such that we could > consider dropping MySQL. It's just... cleaner. +1 Shipping both is a mess we really want to avoid. Kevin Kofler --

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tom Lane wrote: > It strikes me that we missed a bet in setting up the mariadb package > for only F19-and-up in git. You can request a branch (for a release which accepts branch requests, i.e. currently F17 and F18) after the fact, at any time. So you didn't really miss anything. :-) See: https:

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2013-01-09)

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > Oh, BTW, Kevin, if KDE can't set system-wide keyboard config, you should > probably file a bug to have KDE taken out of its DontShowIn line. Ouch! I wonder when and why this was added, it's a clear oversight. KDE's keyboard settings are only per session, not systemwide.

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 12:36 -0300, Reartes Guillermo wrote: > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/22555 > (Quota reached: can't delete) > > When you reach a quota limit, the first intuitive action one takes is > to delete something to make space. > But aparently (and currently)

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 24 janvier 2013 à 17:30 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" a écrit : > On 01/24/2013 04:28 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) said: > >> On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:03 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I have tried to migrating the cron jobs of the in

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2013-01-09)

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 13:31 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 03:02:05PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sat, 2013-01-12 at 18:05 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > GNOME can apply a keyboard config you set via GNOME Control Center > > > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 24 janvier 2013 à 12:11 -0800, Norvald Ryeng a écrit : > I'm sorry to hear about the lack of communication. I'm a MySQL > developer, and for the last year I've been working with different > packagers. Linux distributions are an important part of our community, > and we'd like very much

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 16:03, Jochen Schmitt (joc...@herr-schmitt.de) wrote: > Hello, > > I have tried to migrating the cron jobs of the inn package to systemd timers. > Unfortunately, I have got the following problem. After a install/update of the > package the timer will only start the service unit o

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread Josh Bressers
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM, David Malcolm wrote: > > Anyone interested in helping with this? There's plenty of scope for > getting involved: > * building the web UI for dealing with the results (any Python web > developers out there?) [2] > * packaging more static analyzers in Fedora (e.g

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 18:11 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 23.01.13 22:17, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 19:47 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:47:18 +, > > >"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > > > >b) >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 08:56 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:14:28PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > (As a side note, I would like to avoid describing fedup as 'officially > > supported' and describe it instead as 'officially recommended' - it's an > > important semantic

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 23:03 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > It's best to rip the bandage of this in one release. > > The churn from this should have been more or less covered when we > implement biosdevname so the fallout from this change should be minimal > if any... I see the 's' wor

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 15:28, Miroslav Suchý (msu...@redhat.com) wrote: > On 01/23/2013 07:50 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >The thing is that doing on-line updates only works for stuff you can > >restart, and that doesn't mind that things are not atomically > >updated. However, much (most?) of our co

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/24/2013 10:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 14:57 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: But I guess we simply have a different definition of a user here. Your definition is probably closer to what the page calls "admins", which is

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:09:57 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 24.1.2013 14:40, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a): > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06:21 +0100, > > Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> > >> It definitely depends on package. I should be the one who knows > >> about my packages the best if there is some

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:06:50 + Frank Murphy wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:55:07 -0700 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Greetings. > > > > As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and > > have been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have > > run into in t

Re: F18 metalink urls pointing to development/18 instead of releases/18/Everything

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:58:22 +0800 Zhang San wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2013 08:35:51 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the Fedora 18 metalink-urls as being used in /etc/yum.repo.d/*repo, > > e.g. > > https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-$releasever&arch=$bas > > earch

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames > > > > Feature owner(s): Kay Sievers > > > > The udevd ser

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 14:57 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > > But I guess we simply have a different definition of a user here. Your > > > definition is probably closer to what the page calls "admins", which is > > > covered by the next lines in

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-01-24 22:03, David Malcolm wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 18:11 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: On 2013-01-24 17:44, David Malcolm wrote: Michael Hrivnak and I spent some time at FUDcon Lawrence looking at static code analysis. We hacked on the proposed common format for analysis tools (aka "f

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 14:57, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > > But I guess we simply have a different definition of a user here. Your > > > definition is probably closer to what the page calls "admins", which is > > > covered by the nex

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 08:48, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > > "As biosdevname is installed by default ... most administrators won't > > see this either. " > > If the new scheme really is better, we should suck it up and make the whole > change. It'd be better to do what we can to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 22:28, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > What concerns would people have with this naming? Off the top of my head: > > > > - wwan devices aren't always discoverable (they can show up as ethernet) > > - devices that biosdevname considers emX via enumeration/guessing would >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames > > Feature owner(s): Kay Sievers > > The udevd service has a long history of providing predicatable na

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: >> > But I guess we simply have a different definition of a user here. Your >> > definition is probably closer to what the page calls "admins", which is >> > covered by the next lines in the f

Re: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-24 Thread Mo Morsi
On 01/24/2013 11:07 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Bohuslav Kabrda (bkab...@redhat.com) said: >> JRuby and Ruby won't share extensions. Extensions for Ruby will live in >> %{_libdir}/gems/ruby, while extensions for JRuby will in >> %{_datadir}/gems/jruby (although we decided not to actually ship a

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:56 PM, David Malcolm wrote: > Aha! Thanks - yes, I now see that it's packaged at "frama-c". I've > updated the StaticAnalysis wiki page accordingly. > > Anyone here familiar with it? I've done some *very* basic playing around with it, nothing advanced. I'm still trying

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread David Malcolm
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 18:11 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: > On 2013-01-24 17:44, David Malcolm wrote: > > Michael Hrivnak and I spent some time at FUDcon Lawrence looking at > > static code analysis. > > > > We hacked on the proposed common format for analysis tools (aka > > "firehose"). > > > [cut] >

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread David Malcolm
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 10:04 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM, David Malcolm wrote: > > * packaging more static analyzers in Fedora (e.g. has anyone looked at > > Frama-C ?) > > Frama-C has been in Fedora for nearly 3 years now. :-) Aha! Thanks - yes, I now see that it

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Norvald Ryeng
- fed...@famillecollet.com wrote: > Le 24/01/2013 02:49, Andrew Rist a écrit : > > We've been following the discussions to replace MySQL with MariaDB > ... > > /me speaking from my experience. > > I don't maintain MySQL, but various other mysql packages > (mysql-utilities, mysql-connector-py

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: >> > But I guess we simply have a different definition of a user here. Your >> > definition is probably closer to what the page calls "admins", which is >> > covered by the next lines in the f

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/24/2013 03:19 PM, Remi Collet wrote: Le 24/01/2013 02:49, Andrew Rist a écrit : We've been following the discussions to replace MySQL with MariaDB ... /me speaking from my experience. I don't maintain MySQL, but various other mysql packages (mysql-utilities, mysql-connector-python, mysq

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > But I guess we simply have a different definition of a user here. Your > > definition is probably closer to what the page calls "admins", which is > > covered by the next lines in the feature page, which you didn't paste: > > Right. For Fedora,

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 06:07:08PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 24.01.13 10:22, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:38:00AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > And I disagree with this proposal. > > > > > > It is mixed for me. Sometimes, I'd li

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MEMSTOMP

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said: > Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said: > > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > > > The MEMSTOMP code utilizes GPLV2+ and LGPL3 code. The GPLV2+ code is > > > limited > > > to the backtrace code which is not thread safe and may need to be > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 24 January 2013 10:25, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Lennart Poettering >> Wouldn't it make sense to test the "full install"? > > I doubt that you can install all packages without hitting conflicts. You can not. Lots of things conflict so if you try to do a 'yum install *'

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 06:38:35PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >>Maybe it's just me but is there not something more broken/alarming > >>with that or is just me and this is just acceptable from packaging > >>standpoint? > >Generally, the packages function without cron, so including a har

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Jones
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:48:18PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Miloslav Trmač said: > > So, to summarize, this saves <= 6 MB of disk space, and <= 1 second of > > boot time, at the cost of extra maintenance and QA burden in anaconda > > and grubby? > > Well, there's already code

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> What problem are the _mri_/_jruby_ parameters solving? > > Generally, we are trying to get into Fedora more Ruby interpreters, we are > currently speaking about Ruby MRI, JRuby and Rubinius in near future. > Therefore, we would like to allow

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > - Original Message - >> What problem are the _mri_/_jruby_ parameters solving? >> a) If a script or command-line user requires a specific interpreter, >> it can just refer to a path of the specific interpreter directly; >> us

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Jones
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 06:57:09PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/SyslinuxOption = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SyslinuxOption > > > > Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller > > > > This feature will make Syslinux an

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MEMSTOMP

2013-01-24 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 01:29:36PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > > = Features/MEMSTOMP = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MEMSTOMP > > > > Feature owner(s): Jeff Law > > > > Include the MEMSTOMP DSOs in Fedora 19 to enable developers to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MEMSTOMP

2013-01-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said: > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > > The MEMSTOMP code utilizes GPLV2+ and LGPL3 code. The GPLV2+ code is > > limited > > to the backtrace code which is not thread safe and may need to be > > disabled/rewritten. > > I assume this could be d

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: > I'm not trying to disparage this work, it seems reasonable (although > I've been bitten by a lot of crappy software assuming network > devices are named eth#, but it's able to be turned off, so meh). We went through most of the things we shipped back

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Miloslav Trmač said: > So, to summarize, this saves <= 6 MB of disk space, and <= 1 second of > boot time, at the cost of extra maintenance and QA burden in anaconda > and grubby? Well, there's already code somewhere in Fedora that supports syslinux as a boot loader, as all the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/SyslinuxOption = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SyslinuxOption Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller This feature will make Syslinux an optional bootloader for Fedora, in ki

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/24/2013 05:41 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 05:30:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: What surprised me the most was that none of those components packages depended on cron which was the same thing with rsyslog when I looked into that which is what I expected the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MEMSTOMP

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Features/MEMSTOMP = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MEMSTOMP > > Feature owner(s): Jeff Law > > Include the MEMSTOMP DSOs in Fedora 19 to enable developers to more quickly > detect certain library calls which result in undefined behaviou

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/24/2013 01:49 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: We've been following the discussions to replace MySQL with MariaDB in Fedora, and would like to provide additional data to help the community make the most informed decision. Instead of switching**the default to MariaDB 5.5 we would like to propose th

Re: wayland and broadway support in gtk

2013-01-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Peter Lemenkov > > As for which apps work ... everyone that does not do direct X calls > should work (i.e no direct dependence on X11). Yeah, exactly. One of my goals with enabling this now is finding out about apps which do not

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/SyslinuxOption = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SyslinuxOption > > Feature owner(s): Matthew Miller > > This feature will make Syslinux an optional bootloader for Fedora, in > kickstart and via a hidden Anaconda opti

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 05:30:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > What surprised me the most was that none of those components > packages depended on cron which was the same thing with rsyslog when > I looked into that which is what I expected they would do. > > Maybe it's just me but is

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/24/2013 05:31 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 04:53:01PM +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: Was the timer unit active? What does "systemctl status yourunit.timer" show? I think, this is a good hint, systemctl status innd-expire.timer told me something like Active: inactive..

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/24/2013 04:28 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) said: On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:03 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: Hello, I have tried to migrating the cron jobs of the inn package to systemd timers. Unfortunately, I have got the following problem. After a install/upda

Re: wayland and broadway support in gtk

2013-01-24 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > 2013/1/24 Matthias Clasen : >> Hi, >> >> I'm tentatively planning to enable the Wayland and Broadway backends in GTK+ >> for f19. > > Great! > Yes, please - we're all waiting for this. > Could you please briefly explain which GTK appls will

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: NFStest

2013-01-24 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/NFStest = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NFStest Feature owner(s): Steve Dickson Provides a set of tools for testing either the NFS client or the NFS server, most of the functionality is focused mainly on testing the client. ==

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 04:53:01PM +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: > Was the timer unit active? What does "systemctl status yourunit.timer" show? I think, this is a good hint, systemctl status innd-expire.timer told me something like Active: inactive... After I have done a # systemctl start innd-

Re: wayland and broadway support in gtk

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/1/24 Matthias Clasen : > Hi, > > I'm tentatively planning to enable the Wayland and Broadway backends in GTK+ > for f19. Great! Yes, please - we're all waiting for this. Could you please briefly explain which GTK appls will gain Wayland support after this? I bet we won't be able to run LO or

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 23.01.13 22:17, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 19:47 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:47:18 +, >> >"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: >> > >b) >> > >

Re: wayland and broadway support in gtk

2013-01-24 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Yes, please! It would be about the right time to start enabling Wayland in distributions. -Ilyes On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm tentatively planning to enable the Wayland and Broadway backends in > GTK+ for f19. > > From a quick test build, this adds 3 l

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 23.01.13 22:17, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 19:47 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:47:18 +, > >"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > > >b) > > > > > >We QA have alot of QA community members testing this so this do

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-01-24 17:44, David Malcolm wrote: Michael Hrivnak and I spent some time at FUDcon Lawrence looking at static code analysis. We hacked on the proposed common format for analysis tools (aka "firehose"). [cut] The plan is that the interchange format can be uploaded into a web UI/databas

wayland and broadway support in gtk

2013-01-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hi, I'm tentatively planning to enable the Wayland and Broadway backends in GTK+ for f19. From a quick test build, this adds 3 library dependencies to gtk (libwayland-client, libwayland-cursor and libxkbcommon), and the size of libgdk grows from ~550k to ~700k. I think this is not a terrible b

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 10:22, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:38:00AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > And I disagree with this proposal. > > > > It is mixed for me. Sometimes, I'd like to update in Rawhide, > > especially if the freeze is taking long, while in o

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 08:27, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:31:03 +0100 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > You know, I really dislike packaging things. I love hacking. If I > > package something then that's an ugly side effect of what I really > > want to do. And

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:44 AM, David Malcolm wrote: > * packaging more static analyzers in Fedora (e.g. has anyone looked at > Frama-C ?) Frama-C has been in Fedora for nearly 3 years now. :-) I'm very interested in this topic. I tried packaging BLAST at one point, but ran into insurmountable

[Bug 903605] perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.030 is available

2013-01-24 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=903605 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version|

[Bug 903601] perl-Locale-SubCountry-1.59 is available

2013-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 903601] perl-Locale-SubCountry-1.59 is available

2013-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 903601] perl-Locale-SubCountry-1.59 is available

2013-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 04:33:59PM +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > Have the boxes and libvirt people investigated writing a minimal > > cloud-init compatibile data-source? > I don't recall us ever talking about it, but it could be something to > investigate. I've been meaning to suggest the i

[perl-PPIx-Regexp] 0.030 bump

2013-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 7f75ba4d23671cc3de3a85d00465cbbc11e73a2f Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Jan 24 17:43:45 2013 +0100 0.030 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-PPIx-Regexp.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.giti

Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-24 Thread David Malcolm
Michael Hrivnak and I spent some time at FUDcon Lawrence looking at static code analysis. We hacked on the proposed common format for analysis tools (aka "firehose"). We now have parsers (and test suites) for coercing the following into a common format: * gcc warnings * "cppcheck" warnings (spe

File PPIx-Regexp-0.030.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-24 Thread Kai Engert
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 08:27 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 01/23/2013 07:05 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/SharedSystemCertificates = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SharedSystemCertificates > > > > Feature owner(s): Kai Engert , Stef Walter > > > > > > Make NSS, GnuTLS, O

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-24 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:19:16AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 04:38:13PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > == Detailed description == > > > > * New images that can be used in other cloud deployments (such as

[perl-Locale-SubCountry/f17] 1.59 bump

2013-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
commit c1929f6db05069f50f31b593fb328ba1446edb4d Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Jan 24 17:23:55 2013 +0100 1.59 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Locale-SubCountry.spec | 10 +++--- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) --

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.01.13 07:17, John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) wrote: > On 01/23/2013 01:54 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > This code has the benefit of: > > - covering more device types (not just BIOSes with type 9 & type 41) > > - not attempting to do heuristics that name devices via enumeration >

[Bug 903601] perl-Locale-SubCountry-1.59 is available

2013-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) said: > On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:03 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have tried to migrating the cron jobs of the inn package to systemd > > timers. > > Unfortunately, I have got the following problem. After a install/update of > > the > > package

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 01/23/2013 07:05 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/SharedSystemCertificates = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SharedSystemCertificates Feature owner(s): Kai Engert , Stef Walter Make NSS, GnuTLS, OpenSSL and Java share a default source for retrieving system certificate anchors a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Ryu - Network Operating System

2013-01-24 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:20:01 +0900 Isaku Yamahata wrote: > I suppose you're talking about the difference from plain Open vSwitch plugin. > Plain OVS plugin doesn't use OpenFlow controller. So it's rather static and > utilizes small subset of OVS. For example, it doesn't react to network usage >

[perl-Locale-SubCountry/f18] 1.59 bump

2013-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: 5ac4e7e... 1.59 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/l

[perl-Locale-SubCountry] 1.59 bump

2013-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 5ac4e7e0636cdf82b306b35bde238c30e628784b Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Jan 24 17:23:55 2013 +0100 1.59 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Locale-SubCountry.spec | 10 +++--- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) --

File Locale-SubCountry-1.59.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miroslav Suchý (msu...@redhat.com) said: > On 01/23/2013 07:50 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >The thing is that doing on-line updates only works for stuff you can > >restart, and that doesn't mind that things are not atomically > >updated. However, much (most?) of our code isn't like that. Anybo

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 04:38:13PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > == Detailed description == > > > * New images that can be used in other cloud deployments (such as > > > OpenStack, CloudStack, or Eucalyptus) will be produced. They will b

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kai Engert (k...@kuix.de) said: > On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 16:31 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Essentially, how will we know whether apps work transparently with the > > library changes, and/or if there are apps that are hardcoding old > > locations/methods somewhere? > > we're not yet ready to

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