Re: Fedora ARM and SecureBoot

2012-06-09 Thread Matej Cepl
On 08/06/12 15:00, drago01 wrote: Doubt that as they have near zero market power in that segment right now. One of the leaders in that space is selling locked down devices and nobody seems to care. Just for the record, according to the European law, it is illegal to create hindrance for free t

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-09 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Chris Smart wrote: >>> On 09/06/12 19:34, drago01 wrote: > > If Fedora does not implement some form of Secure Boot support, 100% of > > Fedora users will still be able to install Fedora on new machines,

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-09 Thread Martin Sourada
I used preupgrade for the first time and had a similar experience, but nothing one cannot fix... 1. Prepared the preupgrade process (f16->f17) 2. reboot and start upgrade 3. upgrade gets stuck on some package (IIRC it was something lisp related). No CPU or HDD usage for about half an hour 4. got i

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-09 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Chris Smart wrote: >> On 09/06/12 19:34, drago01 wrote: > If Fedora does not implement some form of Secure Boot support, 100% of > Fedora users will still be able to install Fedora on new machines, after > they disable Secure Boot, if their computer

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-09 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Chris Smart wrote: > On 09/06/12 19:34, drago01 wrote: >>> Is that actually true though? >>> > >>> > If Fedora does not implement some form of Secure Boot support, 100% of >>> > Fedora users will still be able to install Fedora on new machines, after >>> > they disa

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-09 Thread Chris Smart
On 09/06/12 19:34, drago01 wrote: >> Is that actually true though? >> > >> > If Fedora does not implement some form of Secure Boot support, 100% of >> > Fedora users will still be able to install Fedora on new machines, after >> > they disable Secure Boot, if their computer even has it at all (and

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-09 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > On 01/06/12 02:22, Peter Jones wrote: >> >> Next year if we don't implement some form of Secure Boot support, the >> majority >> of Fedora users will not be able to install Fedora on new machines. > > Is that actually true though? > > If Fedora