Re: F16: Sandy Bridge -> lags, missing effects, ui-crashes

2012-05-29 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 29.05.2012 22:45, schrieb Roberto Ragusa: > i think i have to mention taht VT-d is active in the BIOS and > i was wondering that it was stable because the combination of the > i915 options with VT-d (hardware supported virtualization IO) i

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Ter, 2012-05-29 at 16:42 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > On reboot, I found a huge mess. Duplicate packages (f16/f17) all > over. you have from yum-utils package-cleanup --dupes http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Software_Management_Guide/ch07s03.html -- Sérgio M. B. -- dev

Re: for thinkpad lovers - thinkpad-trackpoint-scroll

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 08:57:52AM +0200, Matthias Runge wrote: > On 29/05/12 08:24, Peter Hutterer wrote: > > Hi Adrian, > > > Drop this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-wheel-emulation.conf and it will be > > persistent. I don't think we need a separate rpm for this. > > > > Cheers, > > Peter > +1

Re: for thinkpad lovers - thinkpad-trackpoint-scroll

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 09:21:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 29.5.2012 08:57, Matthias Runge napsal(a): > >On 29/05/12 08:24, Peter Hutterer wrote: > >>Hi Adrian, > >>Drop this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-wheel-emulation.conf and it will be > >>persistent. I don't think we need a separate rpm

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Eric Smith
Neal Becker wrote: I did try distro-sync, but it looked like there would be a lot of issues, so I abandoned that idea. I'd expect that if distro-sync has a lot of issues, preupgrade and Anaconda are likely to as well. None of these do any magic. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/29/2012 07:49 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Bodhi does. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ F17 security updates: 122 F16 security updates: 310 F15 security updates: 444 Luke probably has previous releases historical data somewhere. That means ca 2 hours per day spent in testing for all G

Re: Evolving standards for unpacked sources

2012-05-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 09:57:46PM +0200, Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: > On 29/05/12 18:46, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > Has anyone written any tools for converting git repos into patches? > > Currently I use 'git format-patch' and then I copy the patches. > > > > Should we have a naming conv

Re: F16: Sandy Bridge -> lags, missing effects, ui-crashes

2012-05-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.05.2012 22:45, schrieb Roberto Ragusa: > On 05/27/2012 07:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Hi >> >> i notice growing problems on F16 with "Intel Sandy Bridge" graphics >> >> * desktop effects in KDE partly not working (3D cube as example) >> this worked well over months after upgrade from F

Re: SSD drives

2012-05-29 Thread Juan Orti Alcaine
2012/5/28 Juan Orti Alcaine : > 2012/5/28 Milan Broz >> >> On 05/28/2012 04:55 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> > On 05/26/2012 03:53 PM, Juan Orti Alcaine wrote: >> > >> >> I suspect it isn't working because "cryptsetup status >> >> /dev/mapper/luks-uuid" does not say anything about discards. I think

Re: On a related note...

2012-05-29 Thread John5342
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Neal Becker wrote: > You know what was the painless part of this re-install?  After firing up > google > chrome, I didn't need to reinstall anything for it.  It's all synced with > gmail. > > I find myself wishing that all my fedora packages could be restored ju

Re: On a related note...

2012-05-29 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 29 May 2012 17:04:52 -0400 Neal Becker wrote: > You know what was the painless part of this re-install? After firing > up google chrome, I didn't need to reinstall anything for it. It's > all synced with gmail. > > I find myself wishing that all my fedora packages could be restored > j

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/29/2012 04:42 PM, Neal Becker wrote: Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates. This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade. It seems to have all gone wrong when cpio failed, because a python package had been installed using pip into the (default) system dirs. Th

On a related note...

2012-05-29 Thread Neal Becker
You know what was the painless part of this re-install? After firing up google chrome, I didn't need to reinstall anything for it. It's all synced with gmail. I find myself wishing that all my fedora packages could be restored just like that. Oh sure, there's a few methods for automaticing in

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Neal Becker
Tom Callaway wrote: > On 05/29/2012 04:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote: >> I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people, >> and I've heard the developers either never hear about it, ignore it, or >> don't care. I tried a preupgrade and it half-succeeded, I had to fix >> the

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Neal Becker
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400 > Neal Becker wrote: > > ...snip... > >> >> 1) Could I have actually recovered from this mess without a complete >> re-install? > > Sure. Confirm the correct repos were enabled, 'yum distro-sync' and > work through any dep issues that sh

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message - > From: "Przemek Klosowski" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:58:35 PM > Subject: Re: another upgrade, another disaster > > On 05/29/2012 04:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >> 1) Could I have actually recovered from t

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/29/2012 04:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: 1) Could I have actually recovered from this mess without a complete re-install? Sure. Confirm the correct repos were enabled, 'yum distro-sync' and work through any dep issues that show up. I think they changed it to 'yum distribution-sychronizatio

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message - > From: "Neal Becker" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:42:30 PM > Subject: another upgrade, another disaster > > [SNIP] > On reboot, I found a huge mess. Duplicate packages (f16/f17) all > over. I did the upgrade using yum and ende

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400 Neal Becker wrote: ...snip... > > 1) Could I have actually recovered from this mess without a complete > re-install? Sure. Confirm the correct repos were enabled, 'yum distro-sync' and work through any dep issues that show up. > 2) Can't we make the install

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Tom Callaway
On 05/29/2012 04:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote: > I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people, > and I've heard the developers either never hear about it, ignore it, or > don't care. I tried a preupgrade and it half-succeeded, I had to fix > the initramfs and a few other

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Corey Richardson
On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400 Neal Becker wrote: > Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did > updates. This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade. > I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people, and I've heard the developers either never hear

Re: F16: Sandy Bridge -> lags, missing effects, ui-crashes

2012-05-29 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 05/27/2012 07:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Hi > > i notice growing problems on F16 with "Intel Sandy Bridge" graphics > > * desktop effects in KDE partly not working (3D cube as example) > this worked well over months after upgrade from F14 to F15 and > > * sometimes the whole desktop hang

another upgrade, another disaster

2012-05-29 Thread Neal Becker
Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates. This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade. It seems to have all gone wrong when cpio failed, because a python package had been installed using pip into the (default) system dirs. The conflict IIRC happens because pip insta

re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread enclair
Hi, I have a suggestion, not totally related. It would be nice to have a tool which does the same thing than portaudit for FreeBSD. This tool is simple: you launch it, and it lists which packages are vulnerable. That's way you don't need to wait for a package to be in -testing or in -stable to kno

Re: Evolving standards for unpacked sources

2012-05-29 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
On 29/05/12 18:46, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Has anyone written any tools for converting git repos into patches? > Currently I use 'git format-patch' and then I copy the patches. > > Should we have a naming convention for patches? I proposed to use > the 000*-*.patch files directly from git fo

Re: Evolving standards for unpacked sources

2012-05-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 05:46:52PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > But where to keep it? fedorahosted is a possibility, but: > (a) Is anyone else doing the same thing on fedorahosted? > (b) Should we have a standard project name for such packages > (eg. 'fedora-ocaml')? I filed a request f

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:42:21 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/29/2012 07:27 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > It wouldn't have to be I wouldn't think... they could also test for > > general functionality or serious regressions. > > Does infrastructure keep somewhere statistic how many secur

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 24.05.12 09:28, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: > I'm at a loss to how to proceed with the MiniDebugInfo work. I have > patches to rpmbuild that creates the compressed minidebuginfo putting > them in the main binaries, and I have patches to gdb that reads the > compressed debug

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/29/2012 07:27 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: It wouldn't have to be I wouldn't think... they could also test for general functionality or serious regressions. Does infrastructure keep somewhere statistic how many security updates we push per release cycles so we can roughly calculate how much ma

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:15:21 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/29/2012 06:39 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Perhaps if there's enough interest we could (re)vive a Security SIG > > of some kind? One of their goals could be to cross test updates and > > provide karma? > > Would not their pa

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/29/2012 06:39 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Perhaps if there's enough interest we could (re)vive a Security SIG of some kind? One of their goals could be to cross test updates and provide karma? Would not their participation be more geared to test if the exploit has actually been closed rather

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/29/2012 06:13 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > It makes no sense to have a gui application ( or an application for that > matter ) without having written the relevant how to debug/how to test > pages for each component to accommodate it. Indeed. However, I'd argue*both* pieces, a karma app and

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Paul Wouters wrote: > > Hi, > > I've recently had release updates to two packages with CVE issues in > then. A few weeks ago, pidgin-otr needed a lot of me prodding people > to try it and give karma to get the security update out. Right now, my > socat C

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 29 May 2012 13:13:43 -0500 Rex Dieter wrote: > Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > On 05/29/2012 05:21 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> We actually have this on the QA wishlist and it was one of the > >> projects we proposed for GSoC for QA, but it didn't quite make it. > >> We may still w

Re: Review request

2012-05-29 Thread Ben Rosser
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Adrian Alves wrote: > We can trade reviews I can review ur package and u can review mines > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Ben Rosser wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I'm still looking for someone to review my first package, PDFMiner: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.co

Re: How can we make security updates faster?

2012-05-29 Thread Rex Dieter
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 05/29/2012 05:21 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> We actually have this on the QA wishlist and it was one of the projects >> we proposed for GSoC for QA, but it didn't quite make it. We may still >> wind up doing it through some other channel, though. See also >> ht

Re: F16: Sandy Bridge -> lags, missing effects, ui-crashes

2012-05-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.05.2012 16:45, schrieb Adam Jackson: > On Sun, 2012-05-27 at 19:54 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> may it be that this is caused by major kernel updates >> without update the graphics stack? >> >> 3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64 2012-05-22 16:59:51 >> xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.17.0-8.fc16 2

Re: Evolving standards for unpacked sources

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Moschny
2012/5/29 Richard W.M. Jones : > Has anyone written any tools for converting git repos into patches? > Currently I use 'git format-patch' and then I copy the patches. Have a look at topgit [1], also packaged for Fedora. - Thomas [1] http://repo.or.cz/w/topgit.git?a=blob;f=README -- devel maili

Evolving standards for unpacked sources

2012-05-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Since the ocaml compiler now has a bunch of patches, and it's rather hard to maintain and develop them, I'd like to keep unpacked sources somewhere. [1] The idea is that maintainers, proven packagers etc should be able to co-maintain those patches using the (much easier) git repo, instead of cre

Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-05-29 Thread Pavel Alexeev
28.05.2012 16:23, Kalev Lember wrote: On 05/27/2012 10:28 PM, Pavel Alexeev wrote: Hi. Due to the security issues ([1] for example) and act as newcomer provenpackager I'll plan update ImageMagick in Fedora 16 too (I should had been done it early off course). It seams addressed in rawhide. Hi P

Re: for thinkpad lovers - thinkpad-trackpoint-scroll

2012-05-29 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/29/2012 03:21 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 29.5.2012 08:57, Matthias Runge napsal(a): On 29/05/12 08:24, Peter Hutterer wrote: Hi Adrian, Drop this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-wheel-emulation.conf and it will be persistent. I don't think we need a separate rpm for this. Cheers, Peter +

rawhide report: 20120529 changes

2012-05-29 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue May 29 08:15:04 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [389-admin] 389-admin-1.1.28-1.fc18.i686 requires libicuuc.so.48 389-admin-1.1.28-1.fc18.i686 requires libicui18n.so.48 389-admin-1.1.28-1.fc18.

Re: F16: Sandy Bridge -> lags, missing effects, ui-crashes

2012-05-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sun, 2012-05-27 at 19:54 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > may it be that this is caused by major kernel updates > without update the graphics stack? > > 3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64 2012-05-22 16:59:51 > xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.17.0-8.fc16 2012-01-25 21:54:48 I'd be mildly surprised. The 2D

Announcing Fedora 17. Relish it.

2012-05-29 Thread Robyn Bergeron
"At the heat of a thousand hot dog cookers, the seventeenth release of Fedora shall be forged by contributors the world over, and it will be known as: Beefy Miracle. The mustard shall indicate progress. For six months, participants in the Fedora Project shall freely contribute to the release o

Re: Printer

2012-05-29 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:23:33PM -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: > Hi Gang: > > I no longer have the kernel panic at shut-down, and it's great! Thanks! > However, Now the xqx driver for my HP P1005 won't go in correctly and so > the printer doesn't work right now. In all likelihood, it is somethin

Re: Printer

2012-05-29 Thread Jiri Popelka
I can't help with xqx driver, but you can try hpcups driver from hplip. You also need to install the HP proprietary plugin with 'hp-plugin'. -- Jiri On 05/28/2012 09:23 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Hi Gang: I no longer have the kernel panic at shut-down, and it's great! Thanks! However, Now the

Re: for thinkpad lovers - thinkpad-trackpoint-scroll

2012-05-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29.5.2012 08:57, Matthias Runge napsal(a): On 29/05/12 08:24, Peter Hutterer wrote: Hi Adrian, Drop this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-wheel-emulation.conf and it will be persistent. I don't think we need a separate rpm for this. Cheers, Peter +1 I don't think, we need a config-only packag