Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/03/2012 03:11 AM, Tore Anderson wrote: > * Adam Williamson > >>> Yes please. Besides, you promised as much in the F12 release notes... >> >> I'm _pretty_ sure I didn't write those. =) > > I meant «you» as in «The Fedora Project». ;-) It's not a promise. Its a bug in the documentation. Ha

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 4:21:13 PM, Jóhann wrote: > Some people seem to be confusing this like this would instantly take > effect which is not the case here. > We are just talking about automating the "NonResponsiveMaintainers > policy" as is so instead of an reporter to manually perform these

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tom Callaway > On 03/02/2012 04:39 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: >> This one *most likely* works (it assumes /sbin/dhclient in Fedora will >> *always* use a link-local source address when building a DHCPv6 request. >> I believe that is the case, but I have not reviewed its source code to >> verify):

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 14:51 -0700, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > On 03/02/2012 02:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 09:34 -0700, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > >> On 03/02/2012 06:59 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > I believe Fedora 17 has an add user to admin group checkbox when >

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 03/02/2012 02:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 09:34 -0700, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: On 03/02/2012 06:59 AM, Neal Becker wrote: I believe Fedora 17 has an add user to admin group checkbox when adding the initial user, not sure if it is checked on or off by default. Ac

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 18:45 +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote: > Hi, regarding this problem (polkit asks you for the password of > another user), I have filled this bug report > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799480 > > I have hit this problem myself in several computers. So if you foll

Re: GPT and Fedora 17

2012-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 17:37 +, Pádraig Brady wrote: > On 02/07/2012 12:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 23:19 +, Pádraig Brady wrote: > >> On 02/06/2012 10:40 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote: > >>> In Fedora 16 we changed to using GPT as the default disklabel for new > >>> in

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Callaway
On 03/02/2012 04:39 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: > This one *most likely* works (it assumes /sbin/dhclient in Fedora will > *always* use a link-local source address when building a DHCPv6 request. > I believe that is the case, but I have not reviewed its source code to > verify): > > ip6tables -A INPU

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 09:34 -0700, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > On 03/02/2012 06:59 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > >> I believe Fedora 17 has an add user to admin group checkbox when > >> adding the initial user, not sure if it is checked on or off by default. > >> > >> > > Actually, FC16 has this featur

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Tore Anderson
* Adam Williamson >> Yes please. Besides, you promised as much in the F12 release notes... > > I'm _pretty_ sure I didn't write those. =) I meant «you» as in «The Fedora Project». ;-) -- Tore Anderson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tom Callaway > I know less than nothing about DHCPv6. I used the rule offered earlier > in the thread by Paul Wouters. If there is a more appropriate ruleset, > please tell me what it is and I'll regenerate the patch. This one will certainly work (it's the patch attached bug #591630): ip6table

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 10:18 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 21:53 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > In case anyone's wondering what that actually does, here's what I can > > figure out. > > > > What it does directly is to add the user to the 'wheel' group. I'm not > >

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 08:42 -0600, Greg Swift wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:36, Nikos Roussos > wrote: > Here is a weird example of how Fedora currenty handles some > permission procedures. I created a standard user account (no > admin rights) and I'm trying to install

Re: GPT and Fedora 17

2012-03-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 2, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote: > > Model: ATA ST9500420AS (scsi) > Disk /dev/sda: 500GB > Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B > Partition Table: gpt > Disk Flags: pmbr_boot > > Number Start End SizeFile system Name Flags > 1 1049kB 2097kB 1049kB

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 15:22 +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: > > Looking forward, we might at some point want to explicitly 'support' > > IPv6 in the release criteria, by specifying that 'connect to the > > network' means all permutations of IPv4 / IPv6 networks should work... > > Yes please. Besides,

File Statistics-Descriptive-3.0400.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2012-03-02 Thread Iain Arnell
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Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 07:54 PM, drago01 wrote: I understand that this is frustrating to you but your solution is just wrong IMO. We don't have infinite resources so throwing people out just because they did not respond withing a week is a bad joke. The better fix here is ... you want to do the change fil

Re: GPT and Fedora 17

2012-03-02 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 03/02/2012 07:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote: > >> Yep as expected F17 alpha is broken in the same way on my laptop. > > Your laptop is what hardware? Any install media kernel parameters used? What > installation type? Can you provide both an

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Callaway
On 03/02/2012 03:59 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: > * Tom Callaway > >> As a temporary fix until the more "complete" service entry can be >> added, I propose this patch. Anaconda invokes: >> >> /usr/sbin/lokkit --quiet --nostart -f >> >> This writes out the "default" firewall, where everything is locke

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 07:34 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Related to this, Pierre-YvesChibon wrote a tool to check a bunch of things for a fedora account, so you could at least see if someone was still active in some areas while not in others: https://github.com/pypingou/fedora-active-user If you are running

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tom Callaway > As a temporary fix until the more "complete" service entry can be > added, I propose this patch. Anaconda invokes: > > /usr/sbin/lokkit --quiet --nostart -f > > This writes out the "default" firewall, where everything is locked > down, except for the hardcoded rules in system-co

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread drago01
2012/3/2 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds > and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. > > For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a > tremendous work thus I'm wondering if there is somethin

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:53:55 -0500 Bill Nottingham wrote: > Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) said: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers > > > > * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks if anyone > > knows how to contact the maintainer. > > > > *

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Greg Swift wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:36, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> >> Here is a weird example of how Fedora currenty handles some permission >> procedures. I created a standard user account (no admin rights) and I'm >> trying to install a package. When I pre

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Alexander Boström
ons 2012-02-29 klockan 17:51 -0500 skrev Simo Sorce: > That said I understand your pain and the realize the current solution is > not ideal for the casual user. Maybe we should have 2 security profiles > (lax and strict) that you can choose at install time so that people can > choose what they lik

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Richard Shaw
2012/3/2 Michał Piotrowski : > More frightening benchmarks are shown here > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw That was a pretty cool video. Makes me want to try XFS again. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GPT and Fedora 17

2012-03-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote: > Yep as expected F17 alpha is broken in the same way on my laptop. Your laptop is what hardware? Any install media kernel parameters used? What installation type? Can you provide both an fdisk and parted (or gdisk) listing of the post-installa

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 13:53:55 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > 2) It doesn't solve the problem of a non-responsive maintainer where the > requester *DOESN'T* want to take over the package. > > For example, just because I might have a an issue getting a needed change > into glibc doesn't me

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) said: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers > > * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks if anyone knows how >to contact the maintainer. > > * After another 7 days, the reporter posts a formal request to the >

Re: Live and Install media's arches still inconsistent

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:36:02 + (UTC) Andre Robatino wrote: > In > > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/602 > > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-06-08/fesco.2011-06-08-17.30.log.html > > it was decided to name the Live images using i386 instead of i686, to > make them

[Bug 798239] perl-Wx-0.9904 is available

2012-03-02 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798239 Tom "spot" Callaway changed: What|Removed |Added ---

Live and Install media's arches still inconsistent

2012-03-02 Thread Andre Robatino
In https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/602 http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-06-08/fesco.2011-06-08-17.30.log.html it was decided to name the Live images using i386 instead of i686, to make them consistent. This appears to have slipped through the cracks. -- devel mailing

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 11:33:28AM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > Be careful what you wish for. btrfs is not a clear win on performance. > [...] phoronix.com [...] Be careful what you believe. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones New in Fedora 1

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > An bugzilla script that acts something like if maintainer has not > responded to a bug report with the status new in a week ( or some > other time ) the non responsive maintainers policy automatically > starts taking effect.

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Kevin Wright wrote: > On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> >>> Why not add by default the first user created (right after installation >>> finishes) to administrative group and disable the root

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Lets drop this subthread please? I don't think it's doing anyone any good to see you two hitting back and forth. If you must, take it to private email? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Fedora 17 feature status - PHP 5.4.0 - Done

2012-03-02 Thread Remi Collet
Hi, I've just submit the update of PHP 5.4.0 finale https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/php-5.4.0-1.fc17 So, feature is completed Remi. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

[perl-Wx] 0.9904

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Callaway
commit 72fe6842108bd93e9f268d5c0d8f64f513df864d Author: Tom Callaway Date: Fri Mar 2 13:12:45 2012 -0500 0.9904 .gitignore |1 + perl-Wx.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore index a680f

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2012-03-02 Thread Tom Callaway
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Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 11:20 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 05:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> That was completely uncalled for. > > I disagree Let me put in another way then. Cut that out. Talking about your world vs my world makes it personal not to mention sarcastic there is zero

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 12:23:51 PM, Jóhann wrote: > On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? > It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have > asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has mad

Re: Seeking for a potential GSoC mentor for packaging related project

2012-03-02 Thread Kalpa Welivitigoda
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Buddhika Kurera wrote: > Understood, sorry for the misunderstand :) > no problem > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Buddhika Kurera >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Kalpa Welivitigod

Re: Seeking for a potential GSoC mentor for packaging related project

2012-03-02 Thread Buddhika Kurera
Understood, sorry for the misunderstand :) On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Buddhika Kurera > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda >> wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> I am willing to participate at GSoC 2012 as a stude

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 05:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That was completely uncalled for. I disagree I know for a fact that you are well aware of the EOL and other script that is used with bugzilla so you were well aware this was technically achievable and you then your self go about asking me to star

Re: Seeking for a potential GSoC mentor for packaging related project

2012-03-02 Thread Kalpa Welivitigoda
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Buddhika Kurera wrote: > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda > wrote: >> hi, >> >> I am willing to participate at GSoC 2012 as a student and I have >> proposed a project to sugar labs [1] to build a automated rpm >> generating system. I named the

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Sergio Pascual
Hi, regarding this problem (polkit asks you for the password of another user), I have filled this bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799480 I have hit this problem myself in several computers. Regards, Sergio 2012/3/2 Greg Swift : > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:36, Nikos Rousso

[perl-Contextual-Return/f17] update to 0.004002

2012-03-02 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: 6c88ef6... update to 0.004002 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

[perl-Contextual-Return] update to 0.004002

2012-03-02 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 6c88ef6b68f594e714f82b08d68f26195e27dbc3 Author: Iain Arnell Date: Fri Mar 2 10:41:29 2012 -0700 update to 0.004002 .gitignore |1 + perl-Contextual-Return.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-

Re: Seeking for a potential GSoC mentor for packaging related project

2012-03-02 Thread Buddhika Kurera
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > hi, > > I am willing to participate at GSoC 2012 as a student and I have > proposed a project to sugar labs [1] to build a automated rpm > generating system. I named the project autorpmgen [2] which is > basically a system to automatical

Seeking for a potential GSoC mentor for packaging related project

2012-03-02 Thread Kalpa Welivitigoda
hi, I am willing to participate at GSoC 2012 as a student and I have proposed a project to sugar labs [1] to build a automated rpm generating system. I named the project autorpmgen [2] which is basically a system to automatically build rpms from the sugar activities and keep them in a separate rep

Re: GPT and Fedora 17

2012-03-02 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 02/07/2012 12:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 23:19 +, Pádraig Brady wrote: >> On 02/06/2012 10:40 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote: >>> In Fedora 16 we changed to using GPT as the default disklabel for new >>> installs. In a few cases, mostly limited to Lenovo hardware, we foun

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:53 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? > > It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have > asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has

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Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Wright
On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > >> Why not add by default the first user created (right after installation >> finishes) to administrative group and disable the root account? > > > This is, is fact, how Apple has don

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has made it clear to me when I asked them to fix my user accounti

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/02/2012 10:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > for a simple service like postfix or dbmail? surely not! I disagree. > i even sent a bunlde of systemd-units to the devel-list As I informed you at that time, sending a bundle is not very useful. Yo

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:26 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> What access do you need? If you need something to test and you don't >> have access, run your own instance. > > Here you assume that people have enough hw or vm capable hardware to do > so wh

Re: [389-devel] Please review: init txn thread private data for all database modes

2012-03-02 Thread Nathan Kinder
On 03/02/2012 08:41 AM, Rich Megginson wrote: -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel ack -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:56:47 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > What access do you need? If you need som

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 03:27:24PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >Process looks like this: > > > >* Guidelines updated > >* Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines (Note that > > this step does not require that the

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:55 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: This timeline is not reasonable. It typically takes half an hour to an hour to write and test it properly Add another half an hour for an individual not familiar with the spec file making the necessary adjustments to the spec file and test rebuild

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:55, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov: > Have you ever thought that for number of people this systemd units might be > something > they know nothing about and they need to spend time on it? have you ever thought that i wrote the systemd-units for nearly all relevant services on my p

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: What access do you need? If you need something to test and you don't have access, run your own instance. Here you assume that people have enough hw or vm capable hardware to do so which is not in my case. And this only requires copying the curre

[389-devel] Revised: please review ticket #305 - Certain CMP operations hang or cause ns-slapd to crash

2012-03-02 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/305 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/305/0001-Ticket-305-Certain-CMP-operations-hang-or-cause-ns-s.patch Thanks, Mark -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel -- 389-d

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > * writing the systemd-unit takes 2 minutes for postfix > * no need for package anything, install put it locally in /etc/systemd/system > * so testing takes another 3 minutes, no compile needed This timeline is not reasonable. It typically takes half

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Cc: "Aleksandar Kurtakov" > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:45:14 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > > > Am 02.03.2012 17:35, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtak

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:45:24 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> > Yes the automation would just automat

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> > Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with >>> posting >>> > the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. >>> > >> The best way to convince people is to actually

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:35, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov: >> it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most >> services like postfix/dbmail and nothing happens, even >> not if the one you called "boy" submits patches, unit-files >> and pinging maintainers since 3 releases with the result get

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:23, schrieb Thomas Moschny: > Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald : >> what are all these maintainers doing? >> >> it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most >> services > > Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init > scripts did

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:20, schrieb Karel Zak: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 01:09:00PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> you are missing the differences between "ignored", "assigend" and "fixed" >> where did you see a line that a bug must be fixed in whatever time? >> you did not because it is not there >> >>

Re: Making PGP distribution key well-known

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:53:35 + (UTC) Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2012-03-01, Michal Schmidt wrote: > > Dne 1.3.2012 17:52, Petr Pisar napsal(a): > >> where to get public key for verifying RPM signatures. > > > > The keys are at: https://fedoraproject.org/keys > > > And F16 primary key (A82BA4B7) i

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with posting > the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. > The best way to convince people is to actually just do it. Post a script and show that it can be done. Do we have ac

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2012/3/2 Neal Becker : > Be careful what you wish for.  btrfs is not a clear win on performance. More frightening benchmarks are shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw This does not surprise me. Btrfs has more features than Ext4, so it may be slower. If anyone wants Btrfs as

[389-devel] Please review: init txn thread private data for all database modes

2012-03-02 Thread Rich Megginson
0001-init-txn-thread-private-data-for-all-database-modes.patch Description: application/mbox -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:04 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with posting > the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. > The best way to convince people is to actually just do it. Post a script and show that it can be done. Rahul -

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:29 PM, Karel Zak wrote: On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 04:13:44PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done manually? because: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:56:10 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > > Am 02.03.2012 16:47, schrieb Karel Zak: > > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 03/02/2012 06:59 AM, Neal Becker wrote: I believe Fedora 17 has an add user to admin group checkbox when adding the initial user, not sure if it is checked on or off by default. Actually, FC16 has this feature (and I use it). But this is sometimes even more confusing. Does that dialog wan

phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-02 Thread Neal Becker
Be careful what you wish for. btrfs is not a clear win on performance. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_33_btrfs&num=1 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:23 PM, Thomas Moschny wrote: Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald: what are all these maintainers doing? it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most services Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init scripts did more than just sta

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 04:13:44PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done > manually? because: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Thomas Moschny
Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald : > what are all these maintainers doing? > > it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most > services Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init scripts did more than just starting / stopping a service., e.g. creatin

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:45 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: You are looking for re-review of packages mentioned many times before. But we have problems to find reviewers for new one, so I don't believe we would find enough people for this. If it's an manual process sure I can understand why it's hard to r

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 01:09:00PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > you are missing the differences between "ignored", "assigend" and "fixed" > where did you see a line that a bug must be fixed in whatever time? > you did not because it is not there > > the point is that if a reporter takes time to f

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:47 PM, Karel Zak wrote: What's your project boy? .. create a huge collection of dirty words?;-) Sorry not following where you are going with this? IMHO it's bad idea. Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done manually? JBG -- devel mailin

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 16:47, schrieb Karel Zak: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds >> and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. >> >> For me to start enacting the non respons

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:09:00 PM > Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy > > > > Am 02.03.2012 13:00, schrieb Matthias Runge: > > On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksan

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 13:55:11 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > I'm not a packager already nor can I become one since I dont want to > maintain a single package in the distribution since "it does not > scratch my ich" but I would like to be able to fix things if I do > come across t

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Callaway
On 03/01/2012 12:48 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: > On 03/01/2012 04:52 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, Dan Williams wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 17:20 +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: * Jerry James > Interesting. I'm seeing kind of the inverse problem: > https://bugz

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds > and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. > > For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a > tremendous work

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/02/2012 10:38 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 20:49 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 03/01/2012 05:43 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: >>> On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 16:39 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>> I believe Fedora 17 has an add

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 04:27 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> Process looks like this: >> >> * Guidelines updated >> * Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines >> (Note that >>this step does not require that the Guidelines were

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 13:00, schrieb Matthias Runge: > On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: >> >> If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status >> new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb >> so he/she can fix it himself. > I kind a' like this proposal. You'r

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 12:47, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová: > Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I > write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not > helping anyway. IT DOES HELP it is a hughe difference for a bugreporter if he feels a month ignored or be

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:34:10 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > > One way to achieve that would be that one could do so by becoming > proven packager through some kind of mentoring process ( which does > not exist btw ) I would think. I would think the implied process for someone

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 12:02, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová: > Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, > because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on > different component for whole month. He might be working on a new > upstream release and not paying at

htop / cpu-time / migration

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
how can it be that migration-kernel-threads have 107h when the uptime is around 4 days and the machine is mostly not cpu-bound? see screenshot seems to affect only the 3.x kernels (Fedora 15 2.6.4x) <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorap

Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic

2012-03-02 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 20:49 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 03/01/2012 05:43 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 16:39 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > > >> I believe Fedora 17 has an add user to admin group checkbox when > >> adding the initial user, not sure if it is checked on

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:16:28 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: > On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > >So I would make a contra-proposal. > > > >If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a > >week - give commit rights to the reporter in p

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