Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Milan Broz
On 10/25/2011 07:23 PM, Till Maas wrote: > Yet as long as it is not done, encrypting /usr is no improvement. And > even if it is done, you would also need to verify that nobody installed > a keyboard logger on your device if your fear attackers that have easily > physical access to the device in qu

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/25/2011 08:33 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2011/10/25 Chris Adams: >> Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >>> I created feature page >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters >> >> I strongly object to this "feature". /bin/sh is a Unix standard back to

[Test-Announce] Proventesters meetup tomorrow at 18UTC (2011-10-26)

2011-10-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
We are going to be having another proventesters meetup tomorrow on IRC in #fedora-meeting at 18:00UTC. Purpose of meetup: Brainstorm ideas on improving testing and processes for testing updates. * Intro/gather more agenda items * Recruiting more proventesters/testers. * One stop page for upda

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 20:30 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > > In case you hadn't noticed, response to this has so far been pretty > > negative. > > Coming from someone (me) who often does updates involving > 1 pkg that > sometimes require removing/adding components after initial submission, I > very

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Rex Dieter
Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 17:18 -0400, Luke Macken wrote: >> bodhi v0.8.3 >> >> >> Yesterday I pushed out a new bugfix release of bodhi into production. The >> bodhi-client is currently on it's way to updates-testing for all >> releases. > >> Server fixes >> ---

F15: subversion 1.7 / kdesvn

2011-10-25 Thread Reindl Harald
hi well, suversion 1.7 was not pushed until now and that is why i think it's a good moment for my questions: as far as i can see there are different maintainers for "subversion" and "kdesvn", upgrade to subversion 1.7 (including svn upgrade in the working-dir) works fine but with subversion 1.7

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 16:44 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > FAS and bodhi are single sign on (iirc, everything on > admin.fedoraproject.org). Well, Bodhi seems to do a damn good job of forgetting you're signed in. I've never tried to analyze this carefully, it's just a subjective feeling that I s

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 19:03 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > > Think about how bugzilla bugs are handled in IRC. Bugs all have ID > > numbers. Why should updates be different? I vote for static IDs because > > I have run into the case of modified updates and broken URLs. > > > Adam, can you not pursu

[Test-Announce] Remaining F16 blockers and F16 planning

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, folks. Just thought I'd send out an overview of remaining unaddressed F16 blockers, in case anyone can help with them. We were scheduled to do the F16 RC compose today, but with these unaddressed, we can't. We hope we'll be able to do the compose tomorrow, but if blockers remain unaddressed, w

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 09:17:39PM +0200, fkoo...@tuxed.net wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > Correct -- it's not currently two-factor (it's either this or that).  We've > > been kicking around whether we want to make it two-factor, how we'd do that, > > who we'd

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:57:59PM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > So do I. So let's come back to the original discussion. > I've added some points from re-reading the FHS and from this thread onto the Feature page. The immediate suggestion I have is that you should consider splitting the / => /usr

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-25 Thread Björn Persson
Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > 2011/10/25 Björn Persson : > > It's particularly odd that I can use /sbin/mkfs to make a disk image > > without privileges, but /bin/mount won't mount it even if I own both the > > image and the mount point. > > You could create a setuid-root executable on the disk image and

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 6:32:26 PM, Michael wrote: > Luke Macken wrote: >>> In case you hadn't noticed, response to this has so far been pretty >>> > negative. It seems people liked being able to tell from the URL what the >>> > update actually*was*. I must admit I do to. I've resorted to c

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Luke Macken wrote: >> In case you hadn't noticed, response to this has so far been pretty >> > negative. It seems people liked being able to tell from the URL what the >> > update actually*was*. I must admit I do to. I've resorted to creating >> > the 'old-style' URLs manually when I do lists of

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Luke Macken
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 02:59:51PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 17:18 -0400, Luke Macken wrote: > > bodhi v0.8.3 > > > > > > Yesterday I pushed out a new bugfix release of bodhi into production. The > > bodhi-client is currently on it's way to updates-testing

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 16:10 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:59:51 -0700 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 17:18 -0400, Luke Macken wrote: > > > bodhi v0.8.3 > > > > > > > > > Yesterday I pushed out a new bugfix release of bodhi into > > > produc

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:59:51 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 17:18 -0400, Luke Macken wrote: > > bodhi v0.8.3 > > > > > > Yesterday I pushed out a new bugfix release of bodhi into > > production. The bodhi-client is currently on it's way to > > updates-testing f

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 14:59 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > I must admit I do to. Oh, good lord. Excuse me while I shoot myself. (that was a typo, not just idiocy. But still.) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.hap

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-25 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
2011/10/25 Björn Persson : > > It's particularly odd that I can use /sbin/mkfs to make a disk image without > privileges, but /bin/mount won't mount it even if I own both the image and the > mount point. You could create a setuid-root executable on the disk image and then mount it. -- Jeff Ollie

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 17:18 -0400, Luke Macken wrote: > bodhi v0.8.3 > > > Yesterday I pushed out a new bugfix release of bodhi into production. The > bodhi-client is currently on it's way to updates-testing for all releases. > Server fixes > > > - Default to update ID-

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-25 Thread Tom Lane
=?iso-8859-1?q?Bj=F6rn_Persson?= writes: > It's particularly odd that I can use /sbin/mkfs to make a disk image without > privileges, but /bin/mount won't mount it even if I own both the image and > the > mount point. The division into bin and sbin seems rater arbitrary and I see > no > signi

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-25 Thread Björn Persson
Tomas Mraz wrote: > If there were any commands in > sbin that are usable also for regular users then they should have been > moved to bin. Some examples of commands that are usable to unprivileged users: ip route ifconfig -a lspci lsusb lsmod ldconfig -p mkfs ~/my_disk_image fuser lsof mksock ~/m

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-10-25 Thread Rakesh Pandit
On 24 October 2011 01:20, Vincent Beers wrote: [..] > If there is no package maintainer, I'm willing to try and be one, since > I'm a bit of a fan of the software. (Though I'll have to study up on > package maintaining.) > Nice. You may want to have a look at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_th

Re: Another glibc change that nearly got pushed into F16

2011-10-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 18:54 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> It's rather too complex to explain the change here, so I suggest >> you go and read these first: >> >> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/184205 >> http:

New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Luke Macken
bodhi v0.8.3 Yesterday I pushed out a new bugfix release of bodhi into production. The bodhi-client is currently on it's way to updates-testing for all releases. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates I raced to get this out before the infrastructure freeze today, and since the

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Tom Lane
Chris Adams writes: > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >> What is wrong with >> #!/usr/bin/env interpreter >> from technical POV? > It is an unnecessary hack, Even if it were not a hack, and not significantly slower, it would still be completely unacceptable because it will break just

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Harald Hoyer
So do I. So let's come back to the original discussion. Am 25.10.2011 22:11 schrieb "Chris Adams" : > Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said: > > I'm not sure why this would even be discussed. > > > > ln -s /usr/bin /bin, and move along to other business. > > I think someone proposed (as an addit

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said: > I'm not sure why this would even be discussed. > > ln -s /usr/bin /bin, and move along to other business. I think someone proposed (as an addition to UsrMove) having the /bin, /sbin, etc. symlinks deprecated and to remove them in a couple of releases. I

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Alexander Kurtakov (akurt...@redhat.com) said: > Someone would have to find a "killer feature" to justify touching this amount > of packages :). Not to mention that such changes should happen upstream and I > (probably a number of other maintainers too) would not maintain local patches > for sm

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/10/25 Daniel J Walsh : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/25/2011 03:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 20:39 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >>> 2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski w

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/25/2011 03:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 20:39 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> 2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski >>> wrote: 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : >>>

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 12:21 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 20:39 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > 2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > >> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > > >> > Once upon a time, Michał Piot

Re: Another glibc change that nearly got pushed into F16

2011-10-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:17:54PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 18:54 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > It's rather too complex to explain the change here, so I suggest > > you go and read these first: > > > > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/18

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/10/25 Adam Williamson : > On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 20:39 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> 2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : >> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> >> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : >> >> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >> >> >> I created

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 20:39 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > >> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > >> >> I created feature page > >> >> https://fedorap

Re: Another glibc change that nearly got pushed into F16

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 18:54 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > It's rather too complex to explain the change here, so I suggest > you go and read these first: > > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/184205 > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/184209 > h

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread fkoo...@tuxed.net
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Correct -- it's not currently two-factor (it's either this or that).  We've > been kicking around whether we want to make it two-factor, how we'd do that, > who we'd enforce it upon, etc, for a while... it's hard because we have > several d

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 21:59:40 Tuesday 25 October 2011 Josh Stone wrote: > On 10/25/2011 11:24 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > W dniu 25 października 2011 09:26 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski > > > > napisał: > >> W dniu 25 października 2011 09:20 użytkownik Harald Hoyer > >> > >> napisał: > >>> On 10/24/2011 10:1

[perl-Class-Load] Created tag perl-Class-Load-0.12-1.fc17

2011-10-25 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Class-Load-0.12-1.fc17' was created pointing to: 7a438a5... Update to 0.12 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 08:32 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > You snipped the part where Kevin wrote "[...] if the maintainer > demonstrates incompetence at taking these decisions, the offending > maintainer needs to be replaced." The problem here appears to be a > human one, not something that

[perl-Class-Load] Update to 0.12

2011-10-25 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 7a438a539122da2b15bf0e4e55300d4cb1bbeebd Author: Paul Howarth Date: Tue Oct 25 19:52:30 2011 +0100 Update to 0.12 - New upstream release 0.12: - Require Module::Runtime ≥ 0.011, which fixes problems with Catalyst under Perl 5.8 and 5.10 - Add versioned run

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/10/25 Frank Ch. Eigler : > =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Piotrowski?= writes: > >> [...] >> What is wrong with >> #!/usr/bin/env interpreter >> from technical POV? > > It's more wordy. Yes. > It makes it impossible to pass an interpreter argument. This actually may be a problem. For my use cases

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:39:25PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> 2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : >> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> >> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : >> >> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >> >> >>

File Class-Load-0.12.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2011-10-25 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Class-Load: f1bb822ffb509b5f96b17237f318ab70 Class-Load-0.12.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : >> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >> >> I created feature page >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters >> > >> > I strongly object to this "feature".  /b

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:39:25PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > >> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > >> >> I created feature page > >> >> https://

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-25 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Piotrowski?= writes: > [...] > What is wrong with > #!/usr/bin/env interpreter > from technical POV? It's more wordy. It makes it impossible to pass an interpreter argument. It will execute slower. - FChE -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/10/25 Richard W.M. Jones : > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : >> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >> >> I created feature page >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters >> > >> > I strongl

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > >> I created feature page > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters > > > > I strongly object to this "feature".  /bin/sh is a Unix standard back to

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 08:33:28PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > >> I created feature page > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters > > > > I strongly object to this "feature".  /bin/sh is

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: >> I created feature page >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters > > I strongly object to this "feature".  /bin/sh is a Unix standard back to > IIRC around 7th Edition, and there is NO good reason

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Josh Stone
On 10/25/2011 11:24 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > W dniu 25 października 2011 09:26 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski > napisał: >> W dniu 25 października 2011 09:20 użytkownik Harald Hoyer >> napisał: >>> On 10/24/2011 10:12 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: In any case #!/usr/bin/env sh s

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > I created feature page > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters I strongly object to this "feature". /bin/sh is a Unix standard back to IIRC around 7th Edition, and there is NO good reason to break it. The "#!/usr/bin/env

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 25 października 2011 09:26 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski napisał: > W dniu 25 października 2011 09:20 użytkownik Harald Hoyer > napisał: >> On 10/24/2011 10:12 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >>> In any case >>> #!/usr/bin/env sh >>> seems to be more portable solution. >> >> please :) you can

Another glibc change that nearly got pushed into F16

2011-10-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
It's rather too complex to explain the change here, so I suggest you go and read these first: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/184205 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/184209 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=747377#c22 https://bugzilla.re

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011, Mario Ceresa wrote: > > That's strange: the only two occasion I had a failed OTP were: > > 1) A configuration problem: (Yubikey not enabled, yubikey prefix not > correct, using unburned key) > > 2) In a two slot configuration, whenever I press the button too long > and it gen

Fedora 16 Alpha on Power ready for testing!

2011-10-25 Thread Phil Knirsch
Good news everyone! At long last the Fedora Secondary Arch Team for Power proudly presents the Fedora 16 Alpha release. It's still hot, so grab it while you can from here (in case you have appropriate hardware, obviously): https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/16-Alpha/ppc64/ Bu

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 06:41:21PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: > On 10/25/2011 05:30 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 01:45:45PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: > >> On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > >>> On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 10/25/20

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Christoph Trassl
On 10/25/2011 05:30 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 01:45:45PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: >> On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: >>> On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > It's not only an aesthetic issue. Thi

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread Mario Ceresa
Thanks Toshio for the correction! Best, Mario On 25 October 2011 18:22, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:40:29AM +0200, François Kooman wrote: >> On 10/25/11 10:23 AM, Mario Ceresa wrote: >> > Francois: you should already be able to use yubikey for FAS, bodhi and >> > ssh. Yo

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 01:45:45PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: >> On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: >>> On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > It's not only an aesthetic issue. Thi

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:40:29AM +0200, François Kooman wrote: > On 10/25/11 10:23 AM, Mario Ceresa wrote: > > Francois: you should already be able to use yubikey for FAS, bodhi and > > ssh. You don't need the yubikey prompt: just put your username, go to > > the password field and then press the

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 01:45:45PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: > On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > > On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >> On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >>> It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, > >>> which were no

Re: Rwhide: Last Kernel not booting in vmware

2011-10-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.10.2011 12:45, schrieb Josh Boyer: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Linux rawhide.vmware.local 3.1.0-0.rc9.git0.0.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 5 > 14:37:47 > > this is the last kernel booting in vmware for me > all following see screenshot Make sure your grub config

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 25.10.2011 13:45 schrieb "Christoph Trassl" : > > On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > > On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >> On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >>> It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, > >>> which were not doable before

Re: retire referencer in Fedora 16+ ?

2011-10-25 Thread Zoltan Kota
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > Hi, > > Just wondering if we have another reference tool in the repos? Anyone? Bibus, pybliographer? Zoltan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2011/10/25 Harald Hoyer : >> If anything, wouldn't it make more sense to move stuff in the opposite >> direction, from /usr/bin to /bin ?  "usr" doesn't really mean anything >> - originally it was used because the filesystem format couldn't >> support more than 64MB(?) in a single volume, so the sy

[perl-Mozilla-CA] Cache source tar ball.

2011-10-25 Thread Petr Pisar
100644 --- a/.gitignore +++ b/.gitignore @@ -2,3 +2,4 @@ /Mozilla-CA-20110409.tar.gz /Mozilla-CA-20110904.tar.gz /Mozilla-CA-20110914.tar.gz +/Mozilla-CA-20111025.tar.gz diff --git a/sources b/sources index bc55b2f..9186574 100644 --- a/sources +++ b/sources @@ -1 +1

[Bug 748770] perl-Module-Runtime-0.011 is available

2011-10-25 Thread bugzilla
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File Mozilla-CA-20111025.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2011-10-25 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Mozilla-CA: 74026b1a7aa0de8fc17d81efb3629195 Mozilla-CA-20111025.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Christoph Trassl
On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: >>> It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, >>> which were not doable before. > ... >> - mount rootfs encrypted >> - mount /usr not encry

[Bug 748771] New: perl-Mozilla-CA-20111025 is available

2011-10-25 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 748770] New: perl-Module-Runtime-0.011 is available

2011-10-25 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 746941] perl-Mojolicious-2.10 is available

2011-10-25 Thread bugzilla
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Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > > On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >> On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >>> It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, which were > >>> not do

Re: retire referencer in Fedora 16+ ?

2011-10-25 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 15:46 -0400, Alex Lancaster wrote: > > My sentiments exactly. Better not to keep known broken packages > > around; it's only going to cause grief for users if they find out they > > can't even install the package. > > > > Once it's fixed upstream to not rely on libgnomeuimm,

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread François Kooman
On 10/25/11 10:23 AM, Mario Ceresa wrote: > Francois: you should already be able to use yubikey for FAS, bodhi and > ssh. You don't need the yubikey prompt: just put your username, go to > the password field and then press the key's button. Really? That seems weird. If someone takes my key they wo

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread Mario Ceresa
Francois: you should already be able to use yubikey for FAS, bodhi and ssh. You don't need the yubikey prompt: just put your username, go to the password field and then press the key's button. Regards, Mario On 25 October 2011 10:13, François Kooman wrote: > On 10/24/11 3:34 PM, Paul Wouters wr

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread François Kooman
On 10/24/11 3:34 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > Yes, even using the latest rawhide versions of the yubikey related packages to > work around the libusb issues. My problem was, maybe I'm just stupid, that I assumed that a successful test of the Yubikey in the FAS web interface would enable Yubikey authe

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2011-10-25, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2011/10/25 Matej Cepl : >> Dne 24.10.2011 22:48, Michał Piotrowski napsal(a): >>> For example - you can switch to different version of language >>> interpreter with different configuration without modification of the >>> script and without the hassle for s

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: >>> It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, which were >>> not doable before. > ... >> - mount rootfs encrypted >> - mount /usr not encry

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:34:46PM +0200, Jim Meyering wrote: > Jim Meyering wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > >> ... The only breakage > >> in one which was approved was to do with compiling things - which, sure, > >> is a pain in the ass, but it's not the kind of problem critpath was > >> intro

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, which were >> not doable before. ... > - mount rootfs encrypted > - mount /usr not encrypted (no secrets here) this is already possible, I use

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:46:31AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 18:50 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > We have lots of suggestions. As I've said at least fifty times, it's > > > pointless going too far with the slapping of band-aids on the current

Re: yubikey

2011-10-25 Thread Mario Ceresa
That's strange: the only two occasion I had a failed OTP were: 1) A configuration problem: (Yubikey not enabled, yubikey prefix not correct, using unburned key) 2) In a two slot configuration, whenever I press the button too long and it generates an OTP from the second slot If you are sure that'

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 25 października 2011 09:20 użytkownik Harald Hoyer napisał: > On 10/24/2011 10:12 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> In any case >> #!/usr/bin/env sh >> seems to be more portable solution. > > please :) you can propose this as a separate feature for F18 :) Let's > see, if it gets accepted :)

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > It's not only an aesthetic issue. This enables possibilities, which were > not doable before. > - snapshot /usr (with btrfs) > - hot swap the OS (/usr) with another version > - mount /usr ro and keep the rootfs writeable > - share the _whole_ OS with ot

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 09:06 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/25/2011 09:02 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > On 10/24/2011 08:05 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > >>> === > >>> #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-10-24) > >>> === > >>> * Discussion

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread drago01
2011/10/25 Harald Hoyer : > [ ... ] > - mount /usr ro and keep the rootfs writeable Which problem does this actually solve? People keep repeating that like forever as if it is a magic bullet to solve something. But it is a nice gimmick not more. And no it does not add any security. -- devel maili

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 10/24/2011 10:12 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > In any case > #!/usr/bin/env sh > seems to be more portable solution. please :) you can propose this as a separate feature for F18 :) Let's see, if it gets accepted :) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 10/24/2011 08:27 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2011/10/24 Michał Piotrowski: >> Hi, >> >> 2011/10/24 Chris Adams: * Discussion about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove (t8m, 17:26:45) >>> >> >> Cool idea. Next I suggest to stop using >> /bin >> /sbin >> /lib >> /lib6

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/25/2011 09:02 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 10/24/2011 08:05 PM, Chris Adams wrote: >>> === >>> #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-10-24) >>> === >>> * Discussion about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove >>> (t8m,

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 10/24/2011 08:18 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > 2011/10/24 Chris Adams: >>> === >>> #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-10-24) >>> === >>>* Discussion about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove >>> (t8m, 17:26:4