[Test-Announce] 2011-10-10 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting?

2011-10-09 Thread Adam Williamson
WHAT: Fedora QA Meeting WHEN: 15:00 UTC (11:00 EDT, 08:00 PDT) WHERE: #fedora-meeting It's meeting time again! Tomorrow's a public holiday in Canada so I'll be off, but if someone else can host the meeting that'd be great. If anyone has anything to add to the agenda, please reply to this mail, an

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Vinzenz Vietzke
Am 09.10.2011 21:28, schrieb Heiko Adams: > Why don't you blame *mozilla* to make it possible to easily install > and manage extensions centralized? I do, but doing so doesn't get package maintainers out of duty. We (Fedora) are responsible for working packages and if upstream is messing up, we ha

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/10/2011 03:33 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 11:10:12PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 10/09/2011 10:59 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: >> >>> >>> I'd prefer a bit less bleeding edge over breaking crucial packages. >> >> Sometimes unavoidable due to security issues > > Why was

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 11:10:12PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/09/2011 10:59 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: > > > > > I'd prefer a bit less bleeding edge over breaking crucial packages. > > Sometimes unavoidable due to security issues Why was it unavoidable with Firefox? Afaik updated Fire

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 09:28:45PM +0200, Heiko Adams wrote: > Why don't you blame *mozilla* to make it possible to easily install > and manage extensions centralized? This would IMHO be the best way for > all because it makes packaging extensions allmost unnecessary. Using the same logic you sho

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:20:56 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > I already gave a reason why we should maintain these packages as RPM, > but unfortunately you have trimmed that part of my mail: There is no way > to install and manage extensions globally for all users on a computer. There is also no

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Matej Cepl
Dne 9.10.2011 20:31, Christoph Wickert napsal(a): > This is about installing extensions, not about actually *managing* them. > > There are several manual steps involved here (download, extract, look up > app-id, create folder, copy to folder, register) and by *managing* > something efficiently I me

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Peter Gueckel
Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: > Yeah sometimes is okay of course. Happening every two or three weeks > it isn't. So, why are you using devel? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Heiko Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am 09.10.2011 21:09, schrieb Vinzenz Vietzke: > Am 09.10.2011 19:40, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >>> I'd prefer a bit less bleeding edge over breaking crucial >>> packages. >> Sometimes unavoidable due to security issues > > Yeah *sometimes* is okay of

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Vinzenz Vietzke
Am 09.10.2011 19:40, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >> I'd prefer a bit less bleeding edge over breaking crucial packages. > Sometimes unavoidable due to security issues Yeah *sometimes* is okay of course. Happening every two or three weeks it isn't. Regards, -- Vinzenz Vietzke Fedora Events Ninja / Co

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 12:59 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald: > > problem is that the packaged extensions for FF/TB are NOT > updated as rapidly they should, but this is not a problem > of firefox itself No, but it's a problem of Fedora and we should address it instead of just throwing it over th

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:14 -0600 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen: > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 05:28, Christoph Wickert > wrote: > > Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 12:58 +0200 schrieb drago01: > >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Wickert > >> wrote: > >> > Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:3

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 19:15 +0200 schrieb Matej Cepl: > Dne 9.10.2011 18:20, Christoph Wickert napsal(a): > > > I already gave a reason why we should maintain these packages as RPM, > > but unfortunately you have trimmed that part of my mail: There is no way > > to install and manage extensio

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Rahul Sundaram
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/09/2011 10:59 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: > > I'd prefer a bit less bleeding edge over breaking crucial packages. Sometimes unavoidable due to security issues Rahul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Usin

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Vinzenz Vietzke
Am 08.10.2011 23:43, schrieb Christoph Wickert: > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora > is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable > release and breaks Firefox horribly: > * My favorite extensions (and actually the only thing that

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.10.2011 12:50, schrieb Christoph Wickert: >> Which extensions are you talking about? The ones I use never caused an >> such issues. > > For example mozilla-adblockplus or chatzilla, also German language packs > or dictionaries. use adblockplus from the mozilla-extensions page works fine w

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Matej Cepl
Dne 9.10.2011 18:20, Christoph Wickert napsal(a): > I'm afraid I don't understand your question. What blue icon? I thought there is some kind of Fedora fascism in play ("Unless it is packaged by Fedora community, it is no good."). I was apparently wrong. > I already gave a reason why we should m

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 05:28, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 12:58 +0200 schrieb drago01: >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Wickert >> wrote: >> > Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:34 +0200 schrieb drago01: >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 17:56 +0200 schrieb Matej Cepl: > Dne 8.10.2011 23:43, Christoph Wickert napsal(a): > >* My favorite extensions (and actually the only thing that keeps > > me using FF) stop working. In the last 7 weeks I had to pitch in > > three times and upda

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Matej Cepl
Dne 8.10.2011 23:43, Christoph Wickert napsal(a): >* My favorite extensions (and actually the only thing that keeps > me using FF) stop working. In the last 7 weeks I had to pitch in > three times and update packages to get things working again. > Sometimes there

No grubby build for 8.3 in rawhide?

2011-10-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
Is it just an oversight that an 8.3 build of grubby wasn't done for rawhide? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

rawhide report: 20111009 changes

2011-10-09 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Oct 9 08:15:29 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 requires libicuuc.so.46 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 requires libicui18n.so.46 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 require

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 12:58 +0200 schrieb drago01: > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Wickert > wrote: > > Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:34 +0200 schrieb drago01: > >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert > >> wrote: > >> > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid re

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Thomas Spura
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:05:28 +0200 Till Maas wrote: > On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:43:58PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > 3. Can someone (I'm looking at you, QA) make sure all > > extensions are still compatible? > > The problem is that testers seem to ignore test cases provided for > u

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 08.10.2011, 23:51 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald: > > Am 08.10.2011 23:43, schrieb Christoph Wickert: > > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora > > is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable > > release and breaks Firefox hor

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:34 +0200 schrieb drago01: >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert >> wrote: >> > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora >> > is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:34 +0200 schrieb drago01: > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert > wrote: > > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora > > is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable > > release and breaks Firefox

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread drago01
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora > is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable > release and breaks Firefox horribly: >      * My favorite extensions (and actually the only t

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:43:58PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > 3. Can someone (I'm looking at you, QA) make sure all extensions > are still compatible? The problem is that testers seem to ignore test cases provided for updates, because there is an test case to check for extensi

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-09 Thread Julian Sikorski
W dniu 08.10.2011 23:43, Christoph Wickert pisze: > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora > is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable > release and breaks Firefox horribly: > * My favorite extensions (and actually the only thing tha

Re: F15: massive problems with USB3.0

2011-10-09 Thread Julian Sikorski
W dniu 07.10.2011 17:23, Reindl Harald pisze: > hi > > i have two machines with the same USB3 card and massive problems > with two different external disks - should this be a bugreport for > the kernel? i am wondering about this troubles because AFAIK the > linux-kernel was first with support for