On 06/14/2011 05:57 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> Fedora could well benefit from switching to a rolling release model
> as well (no not rawhide - a controlled rolling release much as the
> kernel development follows).
I've been living from rawhide on my main laptop for a f
On 06/14/2011 10:27 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> The upstream kernel is a rolling release with Linus' law of protect
> users as much as possible.
>
>While a fresh released kernel in stable often gets a few updates and
> fixes the .1 or .2 stable kernels are generally remarkably solid.
>
>
On 06/14/2011 12:26 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Haïkel Guémar wrote:
>> I spent some time yesterday talking with opensuse guys on irc, since
>> /usr/libexec has not been blessed by FHS
libexecdir is GNU Standards for ages (decades).
It's supposed to be kind of an "auxilliary bindir", to hide away
p
On 06/13/2011 08:54 PM, Scott Schmit wrote:
> Not addressing specifically the issue with the kernel updates, but at
> least in part, the answer is simple:
> * Within a release, updates should try very hard to avoid breaking
> things.
> * Between releases, upgrades can change a lot. These changes
Le 14/06/2011 00:26, Kevin Kofler a écrit :
> Actually, libexec can be interpreted as being a libdir with the multilib
> suffix "exec" (just like "64" is one), which is explicitly allowed by the
> letter of the FHS as written (even if it might be against the spirit).
>
> IMHO, libexec is the one
tis 2011-06-14 klockan 01:19 +0200 skrev Henrik Wejdmark:
> 3) When switching to Applications the default show all applications, which
> on a phone works great but on a workstation just floods my screen. I do
> have more than 16 applications.
> 4) Luckily I can still select a group of applica
On 06/13/2011 08:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>> I have been with this distro since RH4 and have had a great time doing so.
>> Almost every upgrade has been really smooth with only a few minor setbacks
>> like an odd broken dependency that was easily fixed, but F15 is the end
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:30 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > > What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time?
> > >
> > > The problem with having specific hostname I had is when I boot many
> > > dozens of diskless mac
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:
>> about language packs
>>
>> in fedora we do
>>
>> yum -y groupinstall "development tools"
>>
>> but in portuguese
>> yum -y groupinstall "ferramentas de desenvolvimento"
>>
>>
>> and in spanish is another thing
>>
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:14:27 -0400 Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
>> Having a quick look at the link and at the steps to reproduce the bug
>> gave me shivers. Are we really sure that systemd is ready? I mean, I
>> don't even call my code "alpha" if it
Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:
> about language packs
>
> in fedora we do
>
> yum -y groupinstall "development tools"
>
> but in portuguese
> yum -y groupinstall "ferramentas de desenvolvimento"
>
>
> and in spanish is another thing
>
> its possible to change yum to accept both english and
> inte
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 02:19:38AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 14.06.2011 01:49, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> > I also miss those kernel upgrades. I think we've become much too
> > conservative.
>
> and the combination is which i really not understand
>
> * kernel -> conservative
> * kde4/gnome3
Reindl Harald wrote:
> as KDE4.0 was anounced for F9 nobody did know if they are
> ready and which state kde4 would have in the first release
We need to do some advance planning and development to provide a polished
release to our users, so we have to start importing prereleases of new
upstream
about language packs
in fedora we do
yum -y groupinstall "development tools"
but in portuguese
yum -y groupinstall "ferramentas de desenvolvimento"
and in spanish is another thing
its possible to change yum to accept both english and
internacionalized language ?
-
Itamar Reis
Am 14.06.2011 01:49, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> I also miss those kernel upgrades. I think we've become much too
> conservative.
and the combination is which i really not understand
* kernel -> conservative
* kde4/gnome3/systemd -> go ahead with all consquences
and the kernel is really not a big
Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> I have been with this distro since RH4 and have had a great time doing so.
> Almost every upgrade has been really smooth with only a few minor setbacks
> like an odd broken dependency that was easily fixed, but F15 is the end
> for me. I think Karl summed it up pretty well.
José Matos wrote:
> I am sorry not to have replied before but in the place (local network)
> where I have been I had access to imap but not smtp (weird I know) and it
> is klunky to answer using a webmail interface. :-(
And NNTP(S)?
This list is gatewayed as gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel on new
Karl Misselt wrote:
> Coming out of pure lurk mode - I think Seth's observations here
> are true for a many of the things that have gone on in Fedora
> recently (at the risk of opening wounds... eg. gnome3).
If GNOME 3 is your problem, try KDE Plasma or Xfce.
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Luke Macken wrote:
> Yeah, we have yet to step back and really think about the defaults for
> the karma thresholds, after having the +3/-3 defaults for so long. Some
> maintainers set the values very low to decrease the amount of time their
> update spends in testing, and some set the values really
Lucas wrote:
> REMOVED /sbin/start_udev - this means that upstart wont be able to start
> udev without manual tweak. Upstart reads rc.sysinit and there is still
> "/sbin/start_udev". And also this means that any one who will try to use
> upstart in Fedora 16 (now rawhide) wont get udev works.
>
>
Reindl Harald wrote:
> Fedora should consider a not so invasive way like KDE4, GNOME3, systemd in
> an early release especially for updated systems because what sometimes
> happens here is that features are included at a time some people are
> hoping they are ready and on the other hand kernel-upda
> Coming out of pure lurk mode - I think Seth's observations here are true
for a
> many of the things that have gone on in Fedora recently (at the risk of
> opening wounds... eg. gnome3). Your options are:
>
> 1) Complain
> 2) Get involved in the development to the point where you are one
>
Rex Dieter wrote:
> It used xine-lib directly, only because phonon lacked support for DVD
> menus (until recently). kde-4.7 will (should!) fix that.
Also note that the DVD menu hack in Dragon Player only works with phonon-
backend-xine.
Hopefully we'll soon have code which uses the new Phonon i
Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> Try "rm /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon". Works like a charm.
Randomly removing pieces of installed packages has never been supported.
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Lennart Poettering wrote:
> What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir?
The distinction between stuff which belongs into %{_libdir}, which is
different for 32-bit vs. 64-bit, vs. stuff which always goes to the same
place and where only one copy should be installed.
Now it's possible to hardco
Haïkel Guémar wrote:
> I spent some time yesterday talking with opensuse guys on irc, since
> /usr/libexec has not been blessed by FHS
Actually, libexec can be interpreted as being a libdir with the multilib
suffix "exec" (just like "64" is one), which is explicitly allowed by the
letter of the
On 06/13/2011 02:10 PM, seth vidal wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>
>> Slide 14:
>> "systemd is an Init System"
>> "systemd is a Platform"
>>
>> systemd is a platform? Really? What next? systemd is an Aircraft
>> Carrier? More to the point: Lennart can call his pr
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:46 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>
> Slide 14:
> "systemd is an Init System"
> "systemd is a Platform"
>
> systemd is a platform? Really? What next? systemd is an Aircraft
> Carrier? More to the point: Lennart can call his program whatever he
> wants, even Nuclear Submari
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Summary: EPEL override bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713001
Summary: EPEL override bug
Product: Fedora
Version: rawhide
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:33:19AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Uh, and even much healthier than Upstart, which you seem to be a big fan
> of. Ohloh lists 3 patch authors. (But I figure that is out-of-date, it
> cannot be that low)
>
I'm guessing its just ohloh having as much trouble operat
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:30 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time?
> >
> > The problem with having specific hostname I had is when I boot many
> > dozens of diskless machines off the very same network filesystem,
> > I definitely DONT w
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:23:51 +0400, L wrote:
> I wont be really upset if I'll lose upstart, I can clean systemd as I need,
> but the idea is wrong.
> Systemd is just a project, project which may tomorrow be changed,
And Upstart is not?
> so why all others have to follow.
You also follow in
mån 2011-06-13 klockan 11:52 -0400 skrev Simo Sorce:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:41 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lennart Poettering
> > wrote:
> > > That is not really how it is. /lib is for arch-dependent stuff including
> > > the libraries of the primary arc
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> Curious. I thought Dragon must use xine-lib, since both kdemultimedia and
> kdebase-runtime require it in F15.
It used xine-lib directly, only because phonon lacked support for DVD menus
(until recently). kde-4.7 will (should!) fix that.
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:27:43 +0200, RH wrote:
> this time "systemd" is not trustable since if there is a problem
> with httpd the anser of a "service start" is OK and the service was
> not started
> [root@testserver:~]$ service httpd start
> Starting httpd (via systemctl): [ OK ]
Then use /bin/
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 20:36 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> first sorry for some bad words from mine, but this is how i feel in a
> situation not
> knowing how to act since upgraded short ago to F14 in the hope get my energy
> refreshed staying there for some months and now realizing i will newer g
> but they are forced to do this because they needed new hardware and if you
> buy hardware
> now which should work 5 years or longer you will take the latest generation
> :-(
You always have a choice which hw to buy. Sometimes you have to buy hw
to support the sw you want to run. If you want t
> so now i have the options of a upgrade to F15 while much work,
> hughe health troubles and 2 weeks holidays are priority one
> in my life this time
Maybe if you complained less on mailing lists you would have time to
try out F15. I have problems on my hardware as well
(https://bugzilla.redhat.co
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:57:46PM +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:43:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, L
first sorry for some bad words from mine, but this is how i feel in a situation
not
knowing how to act since upgraded short ago to F14 in the hope get my energy
refreshed staying there for some months and now realizing i will newer get new
intel
hardware well supportd on it
_
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 02:06, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> John5342 wrote:
>
>> I forget which one exactly contains the mp3 plugin
>
> gstreamer-plugins-ugly, I believe
>
>> i just install all of them and then i don't have to worry about any
>> other format i may one day come across.
>
> ditto
>
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:25 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 11.6.2011 16:21, Gilboa Davara napsal(a):
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:25 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
> >> On 10/06/11 16:12, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> >>
> >>> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >> >
> They are available, but I thin
Am 13.06.2011 19:33, schrieb David Malcolm:
> It appears that you are unhappy and frustrated at the moment
yes
> One of Fedora's goals is to be a fast-moving distribution: systemd
> offers significant improvements compared to previous init systems (for
> me the integration with cgroups is parti
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:43:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
>> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> > > What is the benefit of a separate
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:43:42AM -0500, Michael Ekstrand wrote:
> I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the
> guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package, the
> Update Policy says that it needs to meet the positive karma threshold
> set by the submi
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:43:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir?
> >
> > I guess because binaries shouldn't go in th
On 6/13/11 12:18 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> Sloppy attitude like this is the reason just about any daemon
> (more and more of which pop up like mushrooms in every new release,
> I must add) eats at least a few megabytes of RAM.
I'd have more empathy for your position if you'd made even a cursory
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 20:02 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 12.06.2011 19:28, schrieb Lucas:
>
> > Strange, I did exactly the same thing with Fedora 14, I add new kernel,
> > changed xorg and intel driver.
> > But I have i686.
>
> mhh - strange - an trying to update glibc results in chaos
>
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 19:02 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > > > We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the
> > > > most trivial system calls known to men an
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:36:00PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> That is not really how it is. /lib is for arch-dependent stuff including
> the libraries of the primary arch. Libraries for secondary archs are
> then put in /usr/lib{64,arch}/.
>
> Gentoo is the only distro which is so confused
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 13:02:29 -0400,
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> If not, can you point me at the relevant upstream documentation and I'll
> write up an SOP for doing this.
If you do something for this, you might want to point to it from
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_HOWTO
-
Excerpts from Kevin Fenzi's message of Mon Jun 13 12:49:43 -0400 2011:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:43:42 -0500
> Michael Ekstrand wrote:
>
> > I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the
> > guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package,
> > the Update Pol
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--- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System 2011-06-13
13:08:07 EDT ---
ocaml-curl-0.5.3-3.fc15 has been submitted as an update fo
Excerpts from Stephen Gallagher's message of Mon Jun 13 13:02:29 -0400 2011:
> This is a great feature. Is there a guide somewhere on how to use it?
>
> If not, can you point me at the relevant upstream documentation and I'll
> write up an SOP for doing this.
This is the closest thing to a guide
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On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:21 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:48:40 + (UTC)
> Petr Pisar wrote:
>
> > On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken wrote:
> > > * Buildroot Override Management
> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides
> > Excuse me for my low knowl
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > > We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the
> > > most trivial system calls known to men and doing this with a
> > separate
> > > binary is just absurd. Thi
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:43:42 -0500
Michael Ekstrand wrote:
> I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the
> guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package,
> the Update Policy says that it needs to meet the positive karma
> threshold set by the submitter,
On 06/13/2011 11:39 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
. At this point I am
> going to ask for someone from the Community Working Group to step in
> and see how we can better get along here. If you have a problem with
> that, I think it would be better if you took some time off and did
> something els
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the
> > most trivial system calls known to men and doing this with a
> separate
> > binary is just absurd. This way we also can ensure that the hostname
> is
> > always init
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> ~11MB equals ~8 cents of RAM ... so meh.
>
> Are you volunteering to buy more RAM for every Fedora user? ;)
Maybe if you send me the money first ;)
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On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 23:39 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer:
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald
> > wrote:
> >> PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum
> >> NOT USING "systemd" and force "upstart" as before
> >>
> >> * the system
On 06/13/2011 03:13 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
...
>
> systemd surpasses Upstart in every way. It's not in an "early
> state". Upstart is much more limited and hence in a much earlier state
> feature-wise.
>
...
>
> Lennart
>
Superior design - yes I like it - but in practice there are stil
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:48:40 + (UTC)
Petr Pisar wrote:
> On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken wrote:
> > * Buildroot Override Management
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides
> Excuse me for my low knowledge, what is good for?
>
> I mean, I know what's buildroot in Koji
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:13:39PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Garrett
>wrote:
> The point of providing a platform is that developers can make certain
> assumptions about available functionality. It's no longer reasonable to
> treat
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:17 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > Hi Lennart,
> >
> > systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process
> > I ever played with.
> >
> > Granted, systemd does a bit more that "typical" init, but I think
> > u
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:48:40 +,
Petr Pisar wrote:
> On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken wrote:
> > * Buildroot Override Management
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides
> I mean, I know what's buildroot in Koji and that it can be used to
> prepare set of binary p
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 06:01:22PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are
> > > sometimes compiled as module only a
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 06:01:22PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are
> > sometimes compiled as module only and which cannot be autoloaded for a
> > reason or another. This i
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 13.06.11 15:27, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > kmod_setup(); <=== ???
>
> We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are
> sometimes compiled as module only and which cannot
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
>> "plymouth_running()"? Plymouth? Systemd knows about plymouth? Why?
>
> Because we need to constantly send updates to it. It's a trivial socket
> operation. It's a trivial thing and spawning a separate process to send
> those updates eac
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:45:57 +0100
Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:39:02AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> > I do not regularly agree with Kevin Kofler, but you can call him
> > what you want in private email til the days are done. At this point
> > I am going to ask f
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:41 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 13.06.11 14:27, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote:
> >> It's a directory for arch-dependent stuff that should only exist once on
> >> a system, whereas lib
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > because your fukcing holy cow
>
> This type of language is inappropriate for a Fedora mailing list.
> Please tone down the language.
I'd go further than that. Swearing is n
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:39:02AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> I do not regularly agree with Kevin Kofler, but you can call him what
> you want in private email til the days are done. At this point I am
> going to ask for someone from the Community Working Group to step in
> and see how w
I'm working on pushing my first bugfix to F15 (#711261), using the
guides I found in the wiki[1][2]. For a non-critical-path package, the
Update Policy says that it needs to meet the positive karma threshold
set by the submitter, but does not indicate what that threshold should
be or guidance for
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> On Mon, 13.06.11 14:27, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote:
>> It's a directory for arch-dependent stuff that should only exist once on
>> a system, whereas lib is for arch-dependent stuff that may exist for
>> multiple architec
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:30, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 13.06.2011 09:25, schrieb Michal Schmidt:
>> Stop the profanities and insults, or stop posting to this mailing
>> list.
>
> sorry but for a answer like below form Kevin Kofler i have no other
> words as "idiot", really! where is defined taht
On Mon, 13.06.11 14:27, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > > What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir?
> > >
> > > I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library directory.
> >
> > But it isn't a
Am Montag, den 13.06.2011, 01:47 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>
> Am 13.06.2011 00:54, schrieb Christoph Wickert:
> > Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 23:23 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald:
> >> PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum
> >> NOT USING "systemd" and force "upstart" as before
> >
On Mon, 13.06.11 15:27, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
> kmod_setup(); <=== ???
We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are
sometimes compiled as module only and which cannot be autoloaded for a
reason or another. This is ipv6, autofs4, unix.ko, a
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:27:55PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:16:45PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, 13.06.11 13:41, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >
commit c3a0bda9514b77669a41b2c0ea95bc7626d9930b
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sources |2 +-
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> because your fukcing holy cow
This type of language is inappropriate for a Fedora mailing list.
Please tone down the language.
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Excerpts from José Matos's message of Mon Jun 13 03:26:03 -0400 2011:
> On Monday 13 June 2011 08:09:48 Honza Horak wrote:
> > I think bodhi behaves correctly, but this auto-generated message is a
> > failure, while according https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy a
> > non critical packag
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:16:45PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 13.06.11 13:41, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir?
> >
> > I guess because bi
Hi Lennart,
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:15 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Fri, 10.06.11 15:07, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > I understand your desire to replace everything by systemd.
>
> I have no such desire.
What is this then?
int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
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On Mon, 13.06.11 13:41, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir?
>
> I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library directory.
But it isn't a library directory. I
On 06/13/2011 06:10 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
> On 06/13/2011 08:23 AM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
>> * Steve Clark [13/06/2011 14:04] :
>>> Maybe Fedora should adhere to Linus's rule that we don't have regressions
>>> that break users stuff.
>> Linus has no such thing. Google the min/max incident and th
Hi,
>> It seems that Debian has solved this by offering layouts from
>> xkeyboard-config during installation and then generating corresponding
>> console keymap based on the selection on the fly with console-setup [3].
>
> This is the correct way to go, non xkeyboard-config layout databases need
On 06/13/2011 05:28 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
> Maybe Fedora should adhere to Linus's rule that we don't have
> regressions that break users stuff.
> I get the impression Fedora doesn't care about users and is only
> interested in pushing the agenda
> of the developers. It is too bad that Fedora doesn
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> Now you need to persuade Red Hat to fund a bigger ARM build server
> than the one Canonical are building :-)
>
>
> http://thetanktheory.squarespace.com/this-8-bit-life/2011/6/10/ubuntu-linux-pandabuilder.html
> https://dmtechtalk.wordpre
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir?
>
> I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library directory.
>
> Now if you wanted to get rid of the {,/usr}/
On 06/13/2011 04:33 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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> On 06/11/2011 03:11 PM, Lucas wrote:
>> On 06/11/2011 11:00 PM, Andre Robatino wrote:
>>> Lucas gmail.com> writes:
>>>
I use systemd-28-3.fc16.i686 and updated it when it became available,
>
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 02:18:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> What is the benefit of a separate libexecdir?
I guess because binaries shouldn't go in the library directory.
Now if you wanted to get rid of the {,/usr}/lib64 nonsense, *that*'s
something we can all get behind ...
Rich.
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On 06/13/2011 08:23 AM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
* Steve Clark [13/06/2011 14:04] :
Maybe Fedora should adhere to Linus's rule that we don't have regressions that
break users stuff.
Linus has no such thing. Google the min/max incident and the amount of drivers
that were removed from the kernel t
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On 06/11/2011 03:11 PM, Lucas wrote:
> On 06/11/2011 11:00 PM, Andre Robatino wrote:
>> Lucas gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I use systemd-28-3.fc16.i686 and updated it when it became available,
>>> but still have real problems
>>> with boot.
>>> If it st
Now you need to persuade Red Hat to fund a bigger ARM build server
than the one Canonical are building :-)
http://thetanktheory.squarespace.com/this-8-bit-life/2011/6/10/ubuntu-linux-pandabuilder.html
https://dmtechtalk.wordpress.com/
Rich.
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