Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:59:57 +0200 Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I am sorry that reality bothers you so much, but it is the hard old real > > world ... > > See, I am so young, I still have the idealism that we can fix what is > broken. And you're going to go about it by removing something that

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:16:30 +0100 Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 08:05:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > Some other, more data-centered UPSs that handle multiple machines use > > completely proprietary protocols over ethernet for example. > > I thought we were talking about

rpmbuild issue?

2011-05-19 Thread phantomjinx
Hi, Would someone mind casting an eye over the attached spec file, please? I am trying to build rpms against it on Fedora 15 beta but it errors saying that "Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found". However, all the files listed are those contained in the %files sections for the sub-packages. rp

Re: serial kernel console vs. systemd

2011-05-19 Thread Josh Stone
On 05/19/2011 12:56 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Josh Stone (jist...@redhat.com) said: >>> Anyway, if kmsg msgs are lost for you this probably happens inside of >>> ply or something related, but not systemd. >> >> Is "ply" part of (or short for) plymouth? I took rhgb out of my command >> line, an

Re: serial kernel console vs. systemd

2011-05-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Stone (jist...@redhat.com) said: > > Anyway, if kmsg msgs are lost for you this probably happens inside of > > ply or something related, but not systemd. > > Is "ply" part of (or short for) plymouth? I took rhgb out of my command > line, and it's giving me a lot more on serial now. I don't

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Simo Sorce (sso...@redhat.com) said: > > > What race are we talking about exactly ? > > > > Host requests power down from UPS in 30s. Host then continues shut > > down. If the host now ends up taking more time then expected for > > shutting down it might still be busy at the time of the power goi

Re: serial kernel console vs. systemd

2011-05-19 Thread Josh Stone
On 05/19/2011 11:57 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > systemd does not redirect kmsg. > > We actually are no longer reading console= from the kernel cmdline. We > now rely entirely on /sys/class/tty/console/active which gives us > similar information. And we use it only and exclusively to spawn a ge

Re: serial kernel console vs. systemd

2011-05-19 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 19.05.11 10:52, Josh Stone (jist...@redhat.com) wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to debug some kernel crashes that I'm getting in a virtual > machine running rawhide. Adding "console=ttyS0,57600 console=tty0" to > the guest kernel used to work so "virsh console my-vm" would get me all > the k

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 19.05.11 19:37, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote: > > > > This is not the case and never has been the case. The root disks > > > > traditionally could not be unmounted and hence MD/DM/MP and so on could > > > > not be disassembled before going down. > > > > > > > > Delaying shutd

Review request/swap: gnupg-pkcs11-scd and spim

2011-05-19 Thread W. Michael Petullo
I have two packages that need to be reviewed. I'd be willing to review two others in exchange. -- Spec URL: http://www.flyn.org/SRPMS/spim.spec SRPM URL: http://www.flyn.org/SRPMS/spim-9.0.5-1.fc14.src.rpm spim is a self-con

serial kernel console vs. systemd

2011-05-19 Thread Josh Stone
Hi, I'm trying to debug some kernel crashes that I'm getting in a virtual machine running rawhide. Adding "console=ttyS0,57600 console=tty0" to the guest kernel used to work so "virsh console my-vm" would get me all the kernel messages. Now in this systemd world, I get *some* messages as it runs

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:04:33PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 16.05.11 14:30, Simo Sorce (sso...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 18:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Mon, 16.05.11 14:32, Michal Hlavinka (mhlav...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > > when u

Potential python-docutils license change

2011-05-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
To get python-docutils building with python-3.2 I've upgraded the F15 and Rawhide versions to a snapshot of 0.8. Unfortunately, this version brings in new code that's licensed under the Apache license. This would change the license from "Public Domain and MIT and Python and GPLv2" to "Public Doma

Re: Feedback needed : Fedora 15 Announcement

2011-05-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 08:39 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 14:42 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_announcement > > > > Let me know if you have any comments. Feel free to edit the wiki > > directly if needed. > > I went t

Re: Feedback needed : Fedora 15 Announcement

2011-05-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 14:42 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_announcement > > Let me know if you have any comments. Feel free to edit the wiki > directly if needed. I went through and fixed up a few things. The only two that I suppose might be rever

Re: NetworkManager to reconnect silently

2011-05-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 22:10 +0900, Misha Shnurapet wrote: > 19.05.2011, 21:12, "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" : > > On 19/05/11 09:55, Misha Shnurapet wrote: > > > >> Hi. > >> > >> I asked this question in NetworkManager mailing list, but everyone there > >> seems to be busy, so I decided to ask here. >

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 14:16 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 08:05:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > Some other, more data-centered UPSs that handle multiple machines use > > completely proprietary protocols over ethernet for example. > > I thought we were talking about a

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 08:05:46AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > Some other, more data-centered UPSs that handle multiple machines use > completely proprietary protocols over ethernet for example. I thought we were talking about a function that was called as the last thing before the kernel was hal

Re: NetworkManager to reconnect silently

2011-05-19 Thread Misha Shnurapet
19.05.2011, 21:12, "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" : > On 19/05/11 09:55, Misha Shnurapet wrote: > >>  Hi. >> >>  I asked this question in NetworkManager mailing list, but everyone there >> seems to be busy, so I decided to ask here. >> >>  I run torrents on my notebook. On an electricity outage NetworkMana

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 19.05.11 02:06, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote: > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 07:42:17PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > I am pretty sure we don't want to run Java programs at late boot, as > > > root. This would be really bad. > > > > You know, it's not like there is a choi

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 18.05.11 19:42, Simo Sorce (sso...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > This is not the case and never has been the case. The root disks > > > > traditionally could not be unmounted and hence MD/DM/MP and so on could > > > > not be disassembled before going down. > > > > > > > > Delaying shutdown b

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 02:06 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 07:42:17PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > I am pretty sure we don't want to run Java programs at late boot, as > > > root. This would be really bad. > > > > You know, it's not like there is a choice for many mod

Re: systemd questions

2011-05-19 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 21:15 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > On 05/18/2011 06:42 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 16:48 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > >> On 05/18/2011 04:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >>> Host requests power down from UPS in 30s. Host then continues shut > >>> dow

rawhide report: 20110519 changes

2011-05-19 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu May 19 08:15:02 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- R-Rsolid-0.9.31-2.fc15.x86_64 requires libhdf5.so.6()(64bit) acheck-0.5.1-4.fc15.noarch requires perl(Text::Aspell) almanah-0.7.3-10.fc15.x86_64

Feedback needed : Fedora 15 Announcement

2011-05-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_announcement Let me know if you have any comments. Feel free to edit the wiki directly if needed. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

NetworkManager to reconnect silently

2011-05-19 Thread Misha Shnurapet
Hi. I asked this question in NetworkManager mailing list, but everyone there seems to be busy, so I decided to ask here. I run torrents on my notebook. On an electricity outage NetworkManager starts asking for a new password, so when I'm not around and the light goes back on (powering up the W

Re: Call for help: porting Sugar to NetworkManager 0.9 for Fedora 15

2011-05-19 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hi Adam. On Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:48:04 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > Hey, all. So, although the Fedora 15 final release has been signed off > on, we gave ourselves a bit of wiggle room. The current Sugar > implementation is known to have some significant issues, the major one > of which is that