Re: Avoiding conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA

2011-04-27 Thread Tim Flink
On 04/27/2011 03:00 PM, James Laska wrote: > On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 21:03 +0200, Tim Niemueller wrote: >> On 27.04.2011 15:38, Kamil Paral wrote: - Post only errors It is common, for example, in automated build or continuous integration systems to send out emails only on errors.

Re: tomboy orphaned

2011-04-27 Thread Steven Yong
On Apr 27, 2011 11:30 PM, "Ray Strode" wrote: > > Hey guys, > > A long, long time ago (before the extras/core merge in fact i think) i > was given tomboy to help spread the influx of mono packages across > desktop team. > > IIt's a neat program, but I don't really use it. I'm more of a > send-myse

Re: Self Introduction

2011-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 04/27/2011 10:20 AM, Nicholas van Rheede van Oudtshoorn wrote: > Greetings all! > > My name is Nicholas van Oudtshoorn - long time Fedora user, first time > (hopefully!) contributor. > > One of my jobs (apart from being a church pastor) involves taking care > of the IT systems for a local semi

RE: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Chris Jones
Regarding whether G3 should even have a fallback mode; of course it should. At least until it becomes stable. That's a no-brainer. Regards -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@com

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:59:09AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> because the same hostname can have A and AAA records >> and the people commonly use ping (sysadmins) must be >> able to decide what they will test? > > Use -4 -or -6 parameters if you car

Re: F15 and Broadcom BCM4313

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 21:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > In addition to what Matt says, probably the best way to get it working > > in F15 for now (pragmatically speaking) is to install the proprietary > > 'wl' driver from a third party repository (the standard one has it

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 13:48 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:35 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: > > > > > deal with in these cases) than "some packets were lost". An option to > > > "persist connections despite something

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-27 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:59:09AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > because the same hostname can have A and AAA records > and the people commonly use ping (sysadmins) must be > able to decide what they will test? Use -4 -or -6 parameters if you care to force one vs. the other. > most times you ping

Re: Self Introduction

2011-04-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:20:24 +0800 Nicholas van Rheede van Oudtshoorn wrote: > Greetings all! welcome! > My name is Nicholas van Oudtshoorn - long time Fedora user, first time > (hopefully!) contributor. > > One of my jobs (apart from being a church pastor) involves taking > care of the IT sy

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.04.2011 01:17, schrieb Itamar Reis Peixoto: > why ipv6 and ipv4 have different name for the tools ? > > for example > > ping6 and ping > > I think it's possible writing a wrapper to detect if a ip is v4 or v6 > and execute the correct cmd, > > what fedora guys think about this ? becau

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-27 Thread Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus
On Mi, 2011-04-27 at 20:17 -0300, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > why ipv6 and ipv4 have different name for the tools ? > > for example > > ping6 and ping > > I think it's possible writing a wrapper to detect if a ip is v4 or v6 > and execute the correct cmd, $ ping{6} www.kame.net If you are u

ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-27 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
why ipv6 and ipv4 have different name for the tools ? for example ping6 and ping I think it's possible writing a wrapper to detect if a ip is v4 or v6 and execute the correct cmd, what fedora guys think about this ? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorap

Re: F14, can't logout from X environment - Bug 665540

2011-04-27 Thread Ben Boeckel
Marco wrote: I see something similar on my work machine with ATI (unsure of the > actual card specs). I've worked around this by switching to the TTY which I did startx from and sending it a ^C. This has worked for me flawlessly so far. >>> >>> Hi, thank you for your suggestion b

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Ben Boeckel
Roberto Ragusa wrote: > Why not configurable? Or, why not to ask the user? ("wired carrier lost > for xx seconds, switching to wifi in xx seconds: button, > button") Personally, I've seen that it's usually "I want to be on this network until I disconnect". My example was the wireless in my dorm r

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 04/27/2011 08:48 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > NM has had one for a while: 4 seconds. THe problem with longer is that > then any time you do disconnect the cable or undock your laptop, NM > would think that you were still connected for 10 seconds (or more) until > if flipped over to wifi. So ther

Updates make DVD upgrade insecure. (was: AutoQA upgrade path failure makes no sense to me)

2011-04-27 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Kofler wrote: > I've been saying all the time that the DVD must get > fixed to support enabling the updates repository also for upgrades, not > just for new installs. In fact, I'd even go as far as saying it should > REQUIRE it, not just support it. That would make bug 998 even more urgent

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:58:57PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Ben Boeckel wrote: > > > > One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing > > > > i

Re: Avoiding conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA

2011-04-27 Thread James Laska
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 21:03 +0200, Tim Niemueller wrote: > On 27.04.2011 15:38, Kamil Paral wrote: > >> > >> - Post only errors It is common, for example, in automated build or > >> continuous integration systems to send out emails only on errors. > >> Similar goes for Unix tools, which tend to be

Re: Suggests/Recommends proposal [Was: Re: PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)]

2011-04-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:47, Kevin Kofler wrote: > tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: >> The hard part is to define what the package tools should do in the >> different cases >> A depsolver need to work with real requirements, so it need to be defined >> in what cases that a soft requirement will be

Re: FC 14 yum update problems

2011-04-27 Thread Phillip Lynn
Sorry, I forgot to say that was after the yum update and a reboot. Thanks, Phillip Lynn On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 21:38 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Phillip Lynn wrote: > > This morning after booting my system I completed a yum update. After > > the update I was not able to use vlc or okular.

Re: FC 14 yum update problems

2011-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Phillip Lynn wrote: > This morning after booting my system I completed a yum update. After > the update I was not able to use vlc or okular. I also was receiving an > error when using konqueror. I have included the error for konqueror, > and clip of /var/log/messages file plus the tail end of

Re: Retiring perl-Text-Aspell

2011-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jerry James wrote: > You may want to look at changing moodle to use hunspell anyway, due to > the limited number of aspell dictionaries available in RHEL 6. Yeah, aspell needs to die, everything in Fedora has been supposed to use Hunspell since Fedora 9: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/F

Re: F15 and Broadcom BCM4313

2011-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > In addition to what Matt says, probably the best way to get it working > in F15 for now (pragmatically speaking) is to install the proprietary > 'wl' driver from a third party repository (the standard one has it > packaged as kmod-wl / akmod-wl). That driver supports the ch

Re: Avoiding conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA

2011-04-27 Thread Tim Niemueller
On 27.04.2011 15:38, Kamil Paral wrote: >> >> - Post only errors It is common, for example, in automated build or >> continuous integration systems to send out emails only on errors. >> Similar goes for Unix tools, which tend to be quiet if everything >> is ok, and only bother you with output if s

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 19:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ben Boeckel wrote: > > One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing > > is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and > > down. Instead, applications see lots of dropped packets. When > > re

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Ben Boeckel wrote: > > > One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing > > > is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and >

FC 14 yum update problems

2011-04-27 Thread Phillip Lynn
All, Not sure if this is the correct list to bring this up but here goes. This morning after booting my system I completed a yum update. After the update I was not able to use vlc or okular. I also was receiving an error when using konqueror. I have included the error for konqueror, and cl

Re: Suggests/Recommends proposal [Was: Re: PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)]

2011-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > The hard part is to define what the package tools should do in the > different cases > A depsolver need to work with real requirements, so it need to be defined > in what cases that a soft requirement will become a real requirements to > do the right thing See my p

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:35 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: > > > deal with in these cases) than "some packets were lost". An option to > > "persist connections despite something probably not actually existing" > > would be nice for situations

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-04-27)

2011-04-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-04-27) === Meeting started by nirik at 17:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-27/fesco.2011-04-27-17.30.log.html Meeting summary -

Re: F15 and Broadcom BCM4313

2011-04-27 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > In addition to what Matt says, probably the best way to get it working > in F15 for now (pragmatically speaking) is to install the proprietary > 'wl' driver from a third party repository (the standard one has it > packaged as kmod-wl / a

Re: Retiring perl-Text-Aspell

2011-04-27 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > Hi, moodle maintainer. > > I just took a quick look through 2.0.2, and I don't see where the limited > Perl present uses perl-text-aspell, so it may just be a hard-coded Requires > that I can drop.  Can someone with stronger Perl-Fu take a gand

Re: Retiring perl-Text-Aspell

2011-04-27 Thread Jon Ciesla
Jerry James wrote: > I would like to invoke the EOL process for perl-Text-Aspell in > Rawhide. I will continue to maintain it in Fedora through the F-15 > lifecycle, and in EPEL through the EPEL 6 lifecycle. The package is > already semi-crippled in EPEL 6, since only the aspell-en and > aspell-s

[Test-Announce] The Cloud Test Day is Tomorrow

2011-04-27 Thread Tim Flink
The Cloud SIG test day for Fedora 15 is will be this Thursday [1]. The focus will be on using BoxGrinder [2] and Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (EC2) [3] with Fedora 15. BoxGrinder is "a set of projects that help you grind out appliances for multiple virtualization and Cloud providers." Another way

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 16:27:13 +0200, Martin Stransky wrote: > On 04/27/2011 03:10 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > > Lots of things are unfortunate. This is software, after all. I regret > > not working on this earlier, since it would probably have saved the > > effort invested in fallback mode en

tomboy orphaned

2011-04-27 Thread Ray Strode
Hey guys, A long, long time ago (before the extras/core merge in fact i think) i was given tomboy to help spread the influx of mono packages across desktop team. IIt's a neat program, but I don't really use it. I'm more of a send-myself-email/scribble-on-whiteboard kind of guy. I'm also not very

Retiring perl-Text-Aspell

2011-04-27 Thread Jerry James
I would like to invoke the EOL process for perl-Text-Aspell in Rawhide. I will continue to maintain it in Fedora through the F-15 lifecycle, and in EPEL through the EPEL 6 lifecycle. The package is already semi-crippled in EPEL 6, since only the aspell-en and aspell-sk dictionaries are available

Re: F15 and Broadcom BCM4313

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 15:21 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 04:03:16PM +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > > > - Can I get this chip working (as a test) using the Live USB-stick, so > >that I can verify the correct working without actually installing > >Fedora on the disk? (W

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/27/11 10:53 AM, John Reiser wrote: > On 04/27/2011 07:34 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: >> But assuming all is right with the world, >> host-accelerated 3D would almost assuredly be faster than software guest 3D. > > Does that include host software 3D with a guest that talks hardware 3D? I have trou

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread John Reiser
On 04/27/2011 07:34 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > But assuming all is right with the world, > host-accelerated 3D would almost assuredly be faster than software guest 3D. Does that include host software 3D with a guest that talks hardware 3D? -- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Andrew Haley
On 04/27/2011 02:10 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On 4/27/11 6:40 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 04/27/2011 11:35 AM, drago01 wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: I'm trying to run F15 beta LiveCD in a virtual machine, but I get a complaint that GNOME 3 failed to l

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/27/11 10:01 AM, Andre Robatino wrote: > I was under the impression that recent VirtualBox releases do provide the > required 3D acceleration pass-through support, They do, or at east they claim to. > but that something on the Fedora side necessary to use it is missing. The virtualbox guest

Re: F15 and Broadcom BCM4313

2011-04-27 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/27/2011 02:21 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 04:03:16PM +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > >> > - Can I get this chip working (as a test) using the Live USB-stick, so >> > that I can verify the correct working without actually installing >> > Fedora on the disk? (Wired

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Martin Stransky
On 04/27/2011 03:10 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > Lots of things are unfortunate. This is software, after all. I regret > not working on this earlier, since it would probably have saved the > effort invested in fallback mode entirely. I think the fallback mode is a great idea, not everyone is excite

Re: F15 and Broadcom BCM4313

2011-04-27 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 04:03:16PM +0200, Jos Vos wrote: > - Can I get this chip working (as a test) using the Live USB-stick, so >that I can verify the correct working without actually installing >Fedora on the disk? (Wired Ethernet is working to retrieve external >stuff when needed

F15 and Broadcom BCM4313

2011-04-27 Thread Jos Vos
Hi, I'm testing a netbook using the F15 Beta Live image. That netbook has a Broadcom BCM4313 wifi chipset, of which I can find several problem reports and the same number of answers, with or without success reports. The lspci -v output (I've zeroed the S/N in the output): 02:00.0 Network contro

GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Andre Robatino
drago01 gmail.com> writes: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Haley redhat.com> wrote: > > I'm trying to run F15 beta LiveCD in a virtual machine, but I get > > a complaint that GNOME 3 failed to load and is running in fallback > > mode.  Is there any way to make it work properly when vi

Re: Avoiding conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA

2011-04-27 Thread Kamil Paral
> Hi fellow Fedorans. > > Recently, AutoQA has been introduced to catch typical problems early > in > the update process. In general, I appreciate that effort, but > currently > I find myself in a phase of conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA, > essentially because it is drowning me in irrelevant

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/27/11 6:40 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 04/27/2011 11:35 AM, drago01 wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> I'm trying to run F15 beta LiveCD in a virtual machine, but I get >>> a complaint that GNOME 3 failed to load and is running in fallback >>> mode. Is there

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread fkoo...@tuxed.net
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote: > On the other hand it will be awesome when it's finished and possibly > will remove the need for fallback mode altogether. Yeah, that and the fix for Intel 945 video used in a lot of netbooks :-) It works great with just the built in screen,

Avoiding conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA

2011-04-27 Thread Tim Niemueller
Hi fellow Fedorans. Recently, AutoQA has been introduced to catch typical problems early in the update process. In general, I appreciate that effort, but currently I find myself in a phase of conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA, essentially because it is drowning me in irrelevant information. Th

[perl-Padre] padre.desktop as file instead of source

2011-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 206207d3f755951bcac8ae1185038a82ba9f5daa Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Wed Apr 27 14:05:41 2011 +0200 padre.desktop as file instead of source perl-Padre.spec | 13 - 1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b/perl-Padre.spec

[perl-Padre] padre.desktop upload with changes into git instead of sources.

2011-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 3ea36c7cca089478d7c03535a653f956f94271db Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Wed Apr 27 13:29:38 2011 +0200 padre.desktop upload with changes into git instead of sources. .gitignore|1 - padre.desktop | 10 ++ sources |1 - 3 files changed, 10 insertions(+),

Re: AutoQA upgrade path failure makes no sense to me

2011-04-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 04:37:50AM -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > Here is the update: > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libguestfs-1.6.2-1.fc13.7 > > > > Here's the failed test result: > > > > http://autoqa.fedoraproject.org/results/87921-autotest/qa03.c.fedoraproject.org/upgradepat

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Camilo Mesias
On the other hand it will be awesome when it's finished and possibly will remove the need for fallback mode altogether. -Cam -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Andrew Haley
On 04/27/2011 11:35 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> I'm trying to run F15 beta LiveCD in a virtual machine, but I get >> a complaint that GNOME 3 failed to load and is running in fallback >> mode. Is there any way to make it work properly when virtual

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread drago01
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: > I'm trying to run F15 beta LiveCD in a virtual machine, but I get > a complaint that GNOME 3 failed to load and is running in fallback > mode.  Is there any way to make it work properly when virtualized? Not yet ... the VM has to provide pro

GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Andrew Haley
I'm trying to run F15 beta LiveCD in a virtual machine, but I get a complaint that GNOME 3 failed to load and is running in fallback mode. Is there any way to make it work properly when virtualized? Andrew. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailm

Re: F14, can't logout from X environment - Bug 665540

2011-04-27 Thread Marco
>>>I see something similar on my work machine with ATI (unsure of the >>>actual card specs). I've worked around this by switching to the TTY >>>which I did startx from and sending it a ^C. This has worked for me >>>flawlessly so far. >> >> Hi, thank you for your suggestion but in my case, when th

Re: AutoQA upgrade path failure makes no sense to me

2011-04-27 Thread Kamil Paral
> Here is the update: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libguestfs-1.6.2-1.fc13.7 > > Here's the failed test result: > > http://autoqa.fedoraproject.org/results/87921-autotest/qa03.c.fedoraproject.org/upgradepath/results/output.log > > This is pretty confusing. > > Why does it mentio

Self Introduction

2011-04-27 Thread Nicholas van Rheede van Oudtshoorn
Greetings all! My name is Nicholas van Oudtshoorn - long time Fedora user, first time (hopefully!) contributor. One of my jobs (apart from being a church pastor) involves taking care of the IT systems for a local seminary here in Perth, Western Australia. We've been running Fedora on our servers

Re: Suggests/Recommends proposal [Was: Re: PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)]

2011-04-27 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: > Dne 26.4.2011 18:23, Florian Festi napsal(a): > > I think if anybody can come up with a exact description how they should > > look like and how they should work and can create some evidence that > > this is want we need and want implementing th

Re: Self Introduction

2011-04-27 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 04/26/2011 11:47 AM, Martin Cermak wrote: > Hi all, I'm a RH QA engineer located in Brno. Nice to meet you. I'm a long time Fedora contributor, and since 2.5 years a software engineer for RH :) > I searched the web for some nice > command line calendar which could track events and I found