Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/06/2010 04:16 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote: Out of interest, do you use individual shells/terms or something that provides a more remote desktop like experience? >>> >>> I use ssh -Y. Anything that sits in a huge window showing an entire >>> desktop-in-a-desktop is so obviously the wron

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Ben Boeckel
Camilo Mesias wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: >> Camilo Mesias wrote: >>> [..] As much as I love Nouveau's freeness, last time I >>> checked I couldn't even run gnome shell on it. >> >> I was doing that back in November[1]. >> >> --Ben >> >> [1]http://blipper

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: > Camilo Mesias wrote: >> [..] As much as I love Nouveau's freeness, last time I >> checked I couldn't even run gnome shell on it. > > I was doing that back in November[1]. > > --Ben > > [1]http://blipper.dev.benboeckel.net/one-soap-box/2009

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 14:21 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : > > Why throw away everything just so we can make input better? Because those are just the examples I know where X11 has been blocking progress for *years*. I'm sure there are lots of others. > (And in any case wasn't evdev s

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Ben Boeckel
Camilo Mesias wrote: > [..] As much as I love Nouveau's freeness, last time I > checked I couldn't even run gnome shell on it. I was doing that back in November[1]. --Ben [1]http://blipper.dev.benboeckel.net/one-soap-box/2009/11/03/gnome-day-2-gnome-shell/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fe

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Mark Bidewell
>>> Out of interest, do you use individual shells/terms or something that >>> provides a more remote desktop like experience? >> >> I use ssh -Y.  Anything that sits in a huge window showing an entire >> desktop-in-a-desktop is so obviously the wrong way to do it, from both >> a usability and effic

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Pierre Carrier
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 13:51, Camilo Mesias wrote: >> With virtualization I have more Linux machines than ever (about 50 in >> active use at last count).  All on my local 1GB network.  Consequently >> I use X to them and to other physical machines _all the time_. > If there is no way to provide re

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:38:36 +0200, Alexander wrote: > Oh and I forgot to add this: > If you think it is discouraging for the user do get his bug autoclosed, why > do > you think it is not discouraging for the maintainer to ask questions and > noone > answers them? Perhaps read my other replie

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:36:24 +0200, Alexander wrote: > Hmm, let's switch user with maintainer? > > Have you noticed how many new tickets some maintainers receive all of a > sudden? In general or because of the EOL script creating a flood? ;) Who classifies whether an incoming bug report is impo

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:51:32PM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: >> > I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and >> > watching video, even on the current version of Fedora. >> >> Indeed. It's not the point that it's p

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > > > > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs > > > > and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? > > > > > > Have you notic

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 03:07:04PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 10:57 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : > > > Is Fedora for developers or what? > > > > We want to ditch extremely useful, ground-breaking features because of > > "tearing" when scrolling in a browse

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 10:57 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : > Is Fedora for developers or what? > > We want to ditch extremely useful, ground-breaking features because of > "tearing" when scrolling in a browser window? Well it would be mightily nice to have an infrastructure that can

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:51:32PM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: > > I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and > > watching video, even on the current version of Fedora. > > Indeed. It's not the point that it's possible or not. I could do much > of that on a Windows 3.11 mach

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
> I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and > watching video, even on the current version of Fedora. Indeed. It's not the point that it's possible or not. I could do much of that on a Windows 3.11 machine... Be honest with yourself, is it every bit as good as the experience

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 12:23:00PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > Why does everyone want to put more and more burden on maintainers and arguing > about small things that users should do? > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not > expect the user to verify

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > > > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and > > > not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? > > > > Have you noticed how many

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 11:51:37AM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: > > Is Fedora for developers or what? > > If it is exclusively for developers with the exclusion of general > purpose features such as web browsing, photo management, and > multimedia consumption then I'll have to find a more general p

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
> Is Fedora for developers or what? If it is exclusively for developers with the exclusion of general purpose features such as web browsing, photo management, and multimedia consumption then I'll have to find a more general purpose OS. I count myself as a developer but concede that I have a life t

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > > > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and > > > not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? > > > > Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of > > a sudden? They may

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and > > not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? > > Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of > a sudden? They may be able to

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not > expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of a sudden? They may be able to pay atten

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 09:20:08AM +, Camilo Mesias wrote: > > If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows. > > I wonder if there will be someone saying (when all the apps are native > Wayland apps) "If I wanted to step back to the pre-stetic* era, I'd > run X" > > I get the

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:17:59 +, Jóhann wrote: > > On 11/06/2010 02:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > On 11/05/2010 10:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > >> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:58:21 +, Jóhann wrote: > > >>> On behalf of all reporters that have never received a response from a > > >>>

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:15:36 -0700, Adam wrote: > On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 23:09 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:45:37 -0700, Adam wrote: > > > > > > Something is terribly wrong here, if reporter adjusts F12 -> F13 -> F14 > > > > over a period of N months in reply to the au

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 11/06/2010 01:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 11/05/2010 09:46 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:56:51 +0100, Ralf wrote: > >>> ABRT > >>> It doesn't tell the user that core dumps without reproducer are > >>> worthless in most cases but blindly sends out reports > >>

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:17:59 +, Jóhann wrote: > On 11/06/2010 02:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 11/05/2010 10:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:58:21 +, Jóhann wrote: > >> > >>> On behalf of all reporters that have never received a response from a > >>> mainta

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Camilo Mesias
> If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows. I wonder if there will be someone saying (when all the apps are native Wayland apps) "If I wanted to step back to the pre-stetic* era, I'd run X" I get the impression that comparing current Fedora and Linux in general running on vari

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said: > Has anyone looked into bringing Wayland to Fedora?