Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Brendan Jones
Absolutely. I apologise if you took offence Toshi. My rant was in by no means directed at you, but the subject at hand. Reading back it looks like I have targeted you unfairly - not my intention. On 10/07/2010 02:51 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Uh. I'm talking purely about bundled libs here w

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 02:00:50PM +1000, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 10/07/2010 12:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > But I agree that having a strict requirement because it's felt that the > > issues that are raised by allowing the requirement to be violated are very > > problematic for us as a dist

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Brendan Jones
On 10/07/2010 12:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > But I agree that having a strict requirement because it's felt that the > issues that are raised by allowing the requirement to be violated are very > problematic for us as a distro but then letting certain things bundle > because they're more import

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:55:46PM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: > I give +1 to this. On the other hand Fedora also is (was?) a project > where individual package maintainers had the biggest influence on what > packages ship if they do not cross some fundamental legal limits. This > changed in many ways

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-06 Thread Genes MailLists
On 10/06/2010 11:26 AM, Thomas Woerner wrote: > 6) Compatibility Mode > > The current static firewall model will still be available for > compatibility for users or administrators creating their own firewall. > This deactivates the firewall service and also the D-BUS daemon. > > --- > > C

Re: Fedora 14 Blocker Bugs + Review Meeting 2010-10-08 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-10-06 Thread Piscium
On 6 October 2010 23:25, Adam Williamson wrote: > This isn't generally how we do things. We encourage people to mark bugs > as blockers; this constitutes *nominating* the bug as a blocker, it > makes it pop up for review at a blocker review meeting. We then usually > determine whether or not the

Re: Fedora 14 Blocker Bugs + Review Meeting 2010-10-08 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-10-06 Thread Brian Pepple
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 15:25 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 18:05 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 17:53 -0400, John Poelstra wrote: > > > --If you are the OWNER of one of these bugs, PLEASE add a comment to the > > > bug letting us know how things are goi

Re: Fedora 14 Blocker Bugs + Review Meeting 2010-10-08 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-10-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 18:05 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 17:53 -0400, John Poelstra wrote: > > --If you are the OWNER of one of these bugs, PLEASE add a comment to the > > bug letting us know how things are going and what you are planning to do > > next. I > > > 639730 ::

Re: Fedora 14 Blocker Bugs + Review Meeting 2010-10-08 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-10-06 Thread Brian Pepple
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 17:53 -0400, John Poelstra wrote: > --If you are the OWNER of one of these bugs, PLEASE add a comment to the > bug letting us know how things are going and what you are planning to do > next. I > 639730 :: MODIFIED :: empathy :: bdpep...@gmail.com :: Empathy fails to > co

Fedora 14 Blocker Bugs + Review Meeting 2010-10-08 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

2010-10-06 Thread John Poelstra
When: Friday, 2010-10-08 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST) Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net Here are the current bugs listed as blocking the final release of Fedora 14. We'll be discussing all of these to determine if they meet the criteria, should stay on the list, and are getting the attent

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 23:32 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > What's the worst thing that can happen when trusting the ACPI lid state? > > Think about this: > > - Laptop lid open (so internal lvds enabled), and also external monitor > connected. > - lid state is wrong at boot, so it says lid clos

2 More Packaging Guideline Updates

2010-10-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
There's 2 more Guidelines that were approved in past meetings that have just been written up. = Directory ownership update = https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/5 6 +1 votes , no 0 votes, and no -1 votes This update makes it clearer that packages like gtk-doc do not need to be required simply to

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 09:57 +0200, Martin Stransky wrote: > On 09/30/2010 08:54 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: > > 2. The combination of the Mozilla Trademark issue combined with the > > strict handling of patches by (corporate|distro)-maintainers (I don't > > think that this is a RH/Fedora issue -

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 12:33:58PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 22:03 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 19:20 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:18:32A

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-06 Thread R P Herrold
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Seems quite complex. What's wrong with a directory: > > /etc/iptables.d/ > > where RPMs like libvirt just drop the required additional rules (in a > separate chain if you like) and restart the iptables service? It's > low-tech but simple and it's

[Bug 640752] Broken dependency: perl-Test-Simple-tests-0.94-2.fc14.noarch requires perl-Test-Simple = 0:0.94-2.fc14

2010-10-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640752 James Laska changed: What|Removed |Added ---

[Bug 640752] Broken dependencies found with perl-Test-Simple-0.94-2.fc14

2010-10-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640752 Paul Howarth changed: What|Removed |Added --

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-06 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 10/06/2010 08:31 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Seems quite complex. What's wrong with a directory: > >/etc/iptables.d/ > > where RPMs like libvirt just drop the required additional rules (in a > separate chain if you like) and restart the iptables service? It's > low-tech but simple and

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 22:03 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 19:20 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:18:32AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > > don't we already have defa

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: [snip] > Of course. But there's in fact no disagreement, only looking at > different aspects of the same thing. > > Why do you think the copying takes place? Because the companies have > built a good reputation and brand, allowing them to incr

Re: Review request: Nice-to-have bug process documentation proposal

2010-10-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 14:58 -0400, John Poelstra wrote: > Adam Williamson said the following on 10/06/2010 01:32 PM Pacific Time: > > On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 12:58 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> Hi, everyone. So we partly used the proposed new nice-to-have bug > >> tracking system during the F14

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 07:31:54PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 19:20 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:18:32AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > >> > don't we already have default beh

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:28:43AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 19:20 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:18:32AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > don't we already have default behaviours based on the lid switch, > > > anyway? So why don't w

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 08:53:12AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 09:35 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 5 October 2010 05:30, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > > Are we really stuck with gdm/kdm/lxdm/...dm > > > implementing it? > > > > No, I think what we need to do is to tea

Re: Review request: Nice-to-have bug process documentation proposal

2010-10-06 Thread John Poelstra
Adam Williamson said the following on 10/06/2010 01:32 PM Pacific Time: > On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 12:58 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Hi, everyone. So we partly used the proposed new nice-to-have bug >> tracking system during the F14 Beta process, and it seemed to go well. >> In a quick burst of a

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 06:29:21PM -0600, Dariusz J. Garbowski wrote: > On 05/10/10 08:40 AM, FlorianFesti wrote: > > On 10/05/2010 03:15 PM, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > >> If the lid is open, both output should be enabled by default (you are > >> free to manually disable one). If the lid is clo

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:20:55 +0200 Harald Hoyer wrote: > here we go: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dracut-005-5.fc13 > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dracut-005-5.fc12 > > Patches are here: > > short URL: http://goo.gl/23Bu > > http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=dr

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:29:32 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: ...snip many tons of lines... Can you please trim your replies? > Interesting, from the meeting we can tell > > 1) A number of people want to give Mozilla an exception. > > 2) BRANDING is an issue, like I said in another thread. Which is

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:19:08 +0200 Michal Schmidt wrote: > On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:14:28 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:45:11 +0200 > > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > > > > Ok - that's one problem - we sucks in selective updates and > > > information for users. > > > > > > Oth

[Bug 640752] Broken dependencies found with perl-Test-Simple-0.94-2.fc14

2010-10-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640752 --- Comment #1 from James Laska 2010-10-06 14:37:31 EDT --- Sorry, typo, that was supposed to be ... package: perl-Test-Simple

FPC Meeting -- Guideline Changes

2010-10-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
At todays FPC meeting, the FPC approved several guideline changes. = Rationale for Conflicts Guideline = https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/18 6 +1, no 0, no -1. This was purely informational and requires no changes to how you package = Appropriate Content in Changelogs = https://fedorahosted

[Bug 640752] New: Broken dependencies found with perl-Test-Simple-0.94-2.fc14

2010-10-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Broken dependencies found with perl-Test-Simple-0.94-2.fc14 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=640752 Summary: Broken dependencies found with

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Seems quite complex. What's wrong with a directory: /etc/iptables.d/ where RPMs like libvirt just drop the required additional rules (in a separate chain if you like) and restart the iptables service? It's low-tech but simple and it's all that libvirt needs. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtual

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 6 października 2010 15:42 użytkownik Eric Sandeen napisał: > Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> W dniu 6 października 2010 05:01 użytkownik Eric Sandeen >> napisał: > > ... > >>> cool!  I suppose I could turn it on in rawhide, or you could just >>> build your own e2fsprogs to get it ... >> >> I a

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Eric Sandeen
Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 10/06/2010 02:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> >> OK gang, it's in e2fsprogs-1.41.12-6.fc15 >> >> you have to invoke it with "-test" options to make it go ;) >> >> Word of warning, it's not had a lot of attention, and the whole >> design could change in the future, but it'

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/06/2010 02:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > OK gang, it's in e2fsprogs-1.41.12-6.fc15 > > you have to invoke it with "-test" options to make it go ;) > > Word of warning, it's not had a lot of attention, and the whole > design could change in the future, but it's something to play with :) > > -

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Eric Sandeen
Frank Murphy wrote: > On 06/10/10 16:31, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> >> Maybe I'm being a bit too paranoid but it is your data after all :) >> > > I just use Rawhide for testing, > so a little reinstall keeps you in practice :D > OK gang, it's in e2fsprogs-1.41.12-6.fc15 you have to invoke it with "

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Andre Robatino
Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > It's really pretty simple: we can only define goals and values and > blahblah for 'the Fedora project' as long as we actually retain control > over 'the Fedora project' (that's we as in the Fedora community, not Red > Hat, BTW) and we can only do that if we c

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 12:25:27 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > > Some have > > also hoped that Mozilla would change with regard to bundled libraries in the > > near future, but that seems pretty unlikely. > > I think that's an unfair statement; from what

[Bug 557485] Extra provides need trimming

2010-10-06 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557485 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added --

[perl-CatalystX-Component-Traits/f14/master] update to 0.16

2010-10-06 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: c7aa7fc... update to 0.16 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: Review request: Nice-to-have bug process documentation proposal

2010-10-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 12:58 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > Hi, everyone. So we partly used the proposed new nice-to-have bug > tracking system during the F14 Beta process, and it seemed to go well. > In a quick burst of airport productivity, I've quickly written up a > bunch of proposed new wiki p

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > Some have > also hoped that Mozilla would change with regard to bundled libraries in the > near future, but that seems pretty unlikely. I think that's an unfair statement; from what I understand, Firefox has already unbundled some libraries, and said they

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 10/06/2010 01:17 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 12:54:41PM -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure docking stations are irrelevant to this whole thread. >> The issue is about lids and video outputs. If you think lids are all >> over the place (as mjg59 points out)

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 10/06/2010 05:59 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: >>> But I cannot list all the RHEL6 bugs. >> >> Why not? Strip partner names if necessary, but please make it possible >> for people to decide whether a given update is a benefit to them. > > Well, he could

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 12:54:41PM -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > I'm pretty sure docking stations are irrelevant to this whole thread. > The issue is about lids and video outputs. If you think lids are all > over the place (as mjg59 points out), docks are even worse. Lets not > drag them in

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 10/06/2010 12:50 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:22:44AM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > >> Well, I guess some people would want the laptop to suspend, but it's a >> very good question. Now all it needs is someone willing and able to >> write a little patch for me :-) > > Do y

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 10/06/2010 12:41 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 12:29:59 -0400, > Nathaniel McCallum wrote: >> >> The only possible room for debate that I see is that there is, in >> Firefox, a potential conflict between our "ship upstream" and "don't >> bundle libs" values. We have FE

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:22:44AM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > Well, I guess some people would want the laptop to suspend, but it's a > very good question. Now all it needs is someone willing and able to > write a little patch for me :-) Do you know which components need patching to make Fedor

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-06 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 10/05/2010 09:48 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 10/05/2010 02:35 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: >> On 5 October 2010 05:30, Orion Poplawski wrote: >>> Are we really stuck with gdm/kdm/lxdm/...dm >>> implementing it? >> >> No, I think what we need to do is to teach GPM how to turn off the >> intern

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 12:29:59 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > > The only possible room for debate that I see is that there is, in > Firefox, a potential conflict between our "ship upstream" and "don't > bundle libs" values. We have FESco to sort that out. Those are the policies I was re

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 10/06/2010 12:12 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 10:59:08 -0400, > Nathaniel McCallum wrote: >> >> I have an idea... I'm going to create a fork of Fedora. I'm going to >> fill it full of proprietary shit. I'm going to find the buggiest closed >> drivers I can find and l

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 10:59:08 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > > I have an idea... I'm going to create a fork of Fedora. I'm going to > fill it full of proprietary shit. I'm going to find the buggiest closed > drivers I can find and load them into the kernel. I'll also make it so > that

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: > > But I cannot list all the RHEL6 bugs. > > Why not? Strip partner names if necessary, but please make it possible > for people to decide whether a given update is a benefit to them. Well, he could list them in the bug field, but bodhi would elide t

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > However, this here is Fedora, a project that once was aiming at > "Freedom" - As trivial as it is, restrictive trademark policies simply > do not fit into this philosophy. If we don't protect the Fedora trademark, anyone can produce any

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On 06/10/10 16:31, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > > Maybe I'm being a bit too paranoid but it is your data after all :) > I just use Rawhide for testing, so a little reinstall keeps you in practice :D -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On 06/10/10 16:29, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > Cool if you turn it on in rawhide. Helps those of us who are build > challenged :-). I can test in raid and LV environments. > > Regards, > OldFart Likewise, if basic instruction provided. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora --

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Eric Sandeen
Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 10/05/2010 11:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> >> cool! I suppose I could turn it on in rawhide, or you could just >> build your own e2fsprogs to get it ... >> >> -Eric >> > > > Cool if you turn it on in rawhide. Helps those of us who are build > challenged :-). I ca

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/05/2010 11:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > cool! I suppose I could turn it on in rawhide, or you could just > build your own e2fsprogs to get it ... > > -Eric > Cool if you turn it on in rawhide. Helps those of us who are build challenged :-). I can test in raid and LV environments. Re

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-06 Thread Thomas Woerner
I am currently working on a proof of concept implementation of a firewall daemon, that will support dynamic firewall management with a D-BUS interface. This implementation should be usable in some days and will feature the transition of the current firewall model to the dynamic version. It will

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Eric Sandeen said: > Some things to test would be attempting to defrag files > which are being actively written to / read from in various > ways - concurrent access, mmap, etc. Also make sure to test files used by sendfile() and splice()/vmsplice(). -- Chris Adams Systems and

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On 10/06/2010 10:41 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/06/2010 04:08 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: >> On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:26:59 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> On 10/06/2010 02:49 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: Nonsense, trademarks exists to protect users and to avoid living off somebody else brand

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/06/2010 04:08 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > > On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:26:59 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> On 10/06/2010 02:49 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: > >>> Nonsense, trademarks exists to protect users and to avoid living off > >>> some

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/06/2010 04:08 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:26:59 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 10/06/2010 02:49 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: >>> Nonsense, trademarks exists to protect users and to avoid living off >>> somebody else brand recognition. >> >> I disagree - trademarks exist to

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Peter Jones
On 10/06/2010 10:08 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On 10/6/10, Matej Cepl wrote: >> I won't comment on the trademark issue (because that's just pure lunacy), >> but let me comment here "they don't accept my patches, so they are non- >> free". That's just nonsense ... > > Yes it is, that's not the iss

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Brandon Lozza [06/10/2010 16:28] : > > Yes it is, that's not the issue. They aren't letting us distribute it > ourselves, unless its brand is removed or we don't make those changes. It's their brand, they get to decide what they do (or let you do) with it. Emmanuel -- devel mailing list devel

Any comments about the latest version of mono on my site?

2010-10-06 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, A couple of days back I uploaded preview 8 of mono-2.8 for comments but have heard nothing back. The move to 2.8 will require a good number of rebuilds as 2.8 has had all the .NET 1.1 stuff removed. If you have a mono reliant package, can you please rebuild and let me know if there are any pr

trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:26:59 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/06/2010 02:49 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: > > Nonsense, trademarks exists to protect users and to avoid living off > > somebody else brand recognition. > > I disagree - trademarks exist to protect the manufacturer from > loosing profits be

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 10/6/10, Matej Cepl wrote: > I won't comment on the trademark issue (because that's just pure lunacy), > but let me comment here "they don't accept my patches, so they are non- > free". That's just nonsense ... Yes it is, that's not the issue. They aren't letting us distribute it ourselves, un

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Eric Sandeen
Michał Piotrowski wrote: > W dniu 6 października 2010 05:01 użytkownik Eric Sandeen > napisał: ... >> cool! I suppose I could turn it on in rawhide, or you could just >> build your own e2fsprogs to get it ... > > I already built my own version. Ok, let me know if you can break anything! :) (

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 08:29:32 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: > > Interesting, from the meeting we can tell > > 1) A number of people want to give Mozilla an exception. > > 2) BRANDING is an issue, like I said in another thread. Which is why > people are against removing it. People have claim

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/06/2010 02:49 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: > Ralf Corsepius, Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:01:09 +0200: >> Close source school of thinking - Trademarks exist to protect an >> enterprise's product and to close out "copyiers". FLOSS exists to enable >> people "to share". > > Nonsense, trademarks exists to prote

rawhide report: 20101006 changes

2010-10-06 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Oct 6 08:15:24 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 bluefish-2.0.2-1.fc15.1.x86_64 requires libgucharmap.so.7()(64bit) clutter-gst-de

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 02:46:28PM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > But I cannot list all the RHEL6 bugs. Why not? Strip partner names if necessary, but please make it possible for people to decide whether a given update is a benefit to them. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel maili

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Ralf Corsepius, Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:01:09 +0200: > Close source school of thinking - Trademarks exist to protect an > enterprise's product and to close out "copyiers". FLOSS exists to enable > people "to share". Nonsense, trademarks exists to protect users and to avoid living off somebody else br

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 10/05/2010 11:20 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > === > #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-10-05) > === ... > 19:59:38 some examples: dracut was updated in f12/13 with a bunch of > patches. Were those all bugfixes? > 19:59:59 if it's hard to t

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Florent Le Coz, Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:20:04 +0200: >> Trademark cannot be ever free as in freedom. > That's why Fedora should not ship Firefox, but Iceweasel, or Icecat, or > Minefield, or anything else that is not trademarked and isn't impossible > to patch without mozilla's consent. I won't comme

Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-06 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 10/5/10, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > === > #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-10-05) > === > > Meeting started by nirik at 19:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-10-05/fesco.2010-10-0

Re: jackbeat

2010-10-06 Thread Brendan Jones
On 10/06/2010 08:06 PM, Xavier Bachelot wrote: > If yes, from a quick glance, it seems jackbeat uses an allowed licence > (GPL) and doesn't require any supporting libs that are not ditributable > by Fedora, so I think the only reason it's not in the repo is nobody > packaged it yet. Feel free to

Re: jackbeat

2010-10-06 Thread Xavier Bachelot
On 10/06/2010 11:55 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: > Is there a reason why this is not included in the repositories? If not > I'd be happy to submit it and take it on. > > regards, > > Brendan > > Is it this software you are talking about ? http://jackbeat.samalyse.org/ If yes, from a quick glance,

jackbeat

2010-10-06 Thread Brendan Jones
Is there a reason why this is not included in the repositories? If not I'd be happy to submit it and take it on. regards, Brendan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

fedpkg koji error

2010-10-06 Thread Farkas Levente
hi, while try to make a scratch build i always got: - # fedpkg scratch-build Could not log into koji: Opening a SSL connection failed - even if i try to remove .fedora.cert and fedora-packager-setup (so it's not a certi

Re: Package rebuilds for gcc bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634757

2010-10-06 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 15:27 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > PPS I did not modify my bump script yet to attempt a commit to master > and merge to the f14 branch. In the interest of time, I took the easy > route and just did commits to the f14 branch. Maintainers can do a > merge and fixup after the

Re: Package rebuilds for gcc bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634757

2010-10-06 Thread Peter Robinson
> PPS  I did not modify my bump script yet to attempt a commit to master > and merge to the f14 branch.  In the interest of time, I took the easy > route and just did commits to the f14 branch.  Maintainers can do a > merge and fixup after the builds have been done if they wish to have > their bran

Re: Package rebuilds for gcc bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634757

2010-10-06 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > As you might be aware, there was a period of roughly two weeks where a > gcc build (gcc-4.5.1-3.fc14) in the buildroots for both Fedora 14 and > Fedora 15.  Items built with this could have