We have the regular weekly i18n project meeting scheduled for tomorrow.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-09-30
If you have some agenda topic to discuss particularly for F14,
or package updates you want to highlight, etc, please add to
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On 09/28/2010 09:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Michael Schwendt wrote:
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.9-1.fc14
>>
>> This update is the perfect example for
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.9-1.fc14
>
> This update is the perfect example for how this new update policy is
> completely broken and just cannot work.
Again, you're extrapola
Michael Schwendt wrote:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.9-1.fc14
This update is the perfect example for how this new update policy is
completely broken and just cannot work.
A bugfix is now being held up for almost a month just because there's no
proventester w
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:17:23 +0200
> Dodji Seketeli wrote:
>
>> Brandon Lozza writes:
>> > Most of us KDE users want deliberate visible changes to the user.
>> > That's the point in having the latest version.
>>
>> Sorry if this has been already answered before, but what
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:45:11 +0200
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
> Ok - that's one problem - we sucks in selective updates and
> information for users.
>
> Other could be - change release scheme:
> 1. very similar to current one - rawhide, Fn, Fn-1
> * rawhide - really raw development platform
> * Fn
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:17:23 +0200
Dodji Seketeli wrote:
> Brandon Lozza writes:
>
> [...]
>
> >
> > Most of us KDE users want deliberate visible changes to the user.
> > That's the point in having the latest version.
>
> Sorry if this has been already answered before, but what about having
>
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-09-28)
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Meeting started by nirik at 19:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-09-28/fesco.2010-09-28-19.30.log.html
Meeting summary
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On 09/28/2010 11:57 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, John Reiser wrote:
>> A x86_64 kernel with everything else i686 [no 64-bit apps] can be good
>> non-virtually, too, particularly when it avoids 32-bit PAE for more than
>> 3.3GB of RAM.
> No it is pointless in 99% of the t
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:26:09 -0400
Kyle McMartin wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 02:32:03PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> > meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
> > irc.freenode.net.
> >
>
> Sorry,
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Or just have the download page provide a link to "List all download
> options"
this exists now in multiple forms on the
http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page
In the central frame "More download options..." right under the big
downl
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:49 PM, John Reiser wrote:
> On 09/28/2010 11:37 AM, drago01 wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
>>> We run 32 bit vms in Fedora Infrastructure a lot for purposes of memory
>>> density, we do it based on what will be running on the host as it
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On 09/28/2010 02:49 PM, John Reiser wrote:
> On 09/28/2010 11:37 AM, drago01 wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
>>> We run 32 bit vms in Fedora Infrastructure a lot for purposes of memory
>>> density, we do it based on w
On 09/28/2010 11:37 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> We run 32 bit vms in Fedora Infrastructure a lot for purposes of memory
>> density, we do it based on what will be running on the host as it doesn't
>> always make sense to do so. It's worked out ver
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 13:37 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Which really aren't the same, because they're*software application*
> > download sites which are detecting the OS you currently have installed
> > in the assumption that that's likely what you want to install
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
>> Richard Zidlicky wrote:
>> > One issue - many people have a mix of systems not all 64 bit capable. As
>> > long as the advantages are not overwhelming many of those will stick to a
>> > single var
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Which really aren't the same, because they're*software application*
> download sites which are detecting the OS you currently have installed
> in the assumption that that's likely what you want to install the
> software on.
OK, I think I've pinpointed where the conflict of
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 13:10 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > That's a neat idea, but presupposes the machine you're downloading with
> > is the only one you intend to use the image on.
> >
>
> Yet, many web sites I frequent use what I proposed.
>
> http://www.mozilla
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 02:32:03PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
Sorry, got to send my regrets.
Again, I've got to commute for a class at 4pm.
Adam Williamson wrote:
> That's a neat idea, but presupposes the machine you're downloading with
> is the only one you intend to use the image on.
>
Yet, many web sites I frequent use what I proposed.
http://www.mozilla.com
http://www.pidgin.im
Two examples for you to chew on.
They have a nice
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Richard Zidlicky wrote:
> > One issue - many people have a mix of systems not all 64 bit capable. As
> > long as the advantages are not overwhelming many of those will stick to a
> > single variant for practical reasons and obviously that can only be 32
Richard Zidlicky wrote:
> One issue - many people have a mix of systems not all 64 bit capable. As
> long as the advantages are not overwhelming many of those will stick to a
> single variant for practical reasons and obviously that can only be 32
> bit.
I have a 32-bit and a 64-bit machine, I ru
On Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:13:49 am Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> I'm having the following error with some of my packages (iverilog and
> perl-Verilog-Perl) since last week, even after updating my certs.
>
> $ fedpkg import
> /home/chitlesh/rpmbuild/SRPMS/iverilog-0.9.20100928-
Adam Williamson wrote:
> That's a neat idea, but presupposes the machine you're downloading with
> is the only one you intend to use the image on.
It also presupposes it's running a 64-bit kernel if it's 64-bit capable. The
browser isn't going to tell you the CPU's LM flag.
Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Why do you think it's a good idea to except netbooks?
The netbook issue can be solved by a simple "Download Netbook Version" link
(along with a clear warning on the default download that it's only for
desktop/laptop computers and that netbook users must use the netbook
Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Exactly... this is way late to be introducing this into Fedora 14. Any
> reason it can't be held for F15? (Bug filed to this effect.)
The old behavior of that expression is not what the code probably expected,
it just happened to silently do the wrong thing instead of thr
mike cloaked wrote:
> May I chip in another thought here? Although in principle it is
> better if 64 bit versions are used on capable hardware there still
> remains a series of issues with some code - eg firefox and thunderbird
> are not always built for 64 bit
In Fedora it is, in Remi Collet's r
mike cloaked wrote:
> Some people use nightlies for example -
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-
comm-1.9.2/
> Here there are no 64 bit versions that I am aware of?
>
> I do this when the stock version is somewhat behind even the stable
> release from mozilla. eg
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 11:05 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Why do you think it's a good idea to except netbooks? And why do you
> > assume running Fedora on a three year old machine isn't a fairly common
> > case?
> >
> > (I have both 3+ year old 32-bit only machines
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Why do you think it's a good idea to except netbooks? And why do you
> assume running Fedora on a three year old machine isn't a fairly common
> case?
>
> (I have both 3+ year old 32-bit only machines and netbooks running Linux
> right here at home).
The compromise is that
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 17:32 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> seth vidal wrote:
> > i686 will run on x86_64 and i686 machines and on the overwhelming
> > majority of hw someone will happen to have.
> >
> > x86_64 will not.
>
> x86_64 will also work on an overwhelming majority of hardware around.
> Ba
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 17:03 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> > F14+ livecd-tools have now /usr/bin/mkbiarch for live images automatically
> > choosing x86_64/i686. I was told it is too late for F14 biarch spin but
> > for F15+ that one should be the best default.
>
> Doubling
seth vidal wrote:
> i686 will run on x86_64 and i686 machines and on the overwhelming
> majority of hw someone will happen to have.
>
> x86_64 will not.
x86_64 will also work on an overwhelming majority of hardware around.
Basically all non-netbook x86 hardware made in the last few years is 64-b
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 09:37:06AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> >
> > If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download
> > activity to be lower because of the promotion of the direct download
> > link of that particular iso. The spli
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Broken deps for x86_64
--
antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6
evolution-couchdb-0.4.92-1.fc14.x86_64 requires
libedata-book-1.2.so.2()(64bit)
Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> F14+ livecd-tools have now /usr/bin/mkbiarch for live images automatically
> choosing x86_64/i686. I was told it is too late for F14 biarch spin but
> for F15+ that one should be the best default.
Doubling the live image size just to support the obsolete 32-bit-only
machi
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On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:58 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
>> Huh? Sure they are.
>
> Some people use nightlies for example -
> Here there are no 64 bit versions that I am aware of?
>
> I do this when the stock version is somewhat behind even the stable
> release from mozilla. eg in f12 the current th
On 09/28/2010 01:58 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 09/28/2010 12:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>
> If anything I would expect the 32
On 09/28/2010 03:58 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>
>> On 09/28/2010 12:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>>
On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> I
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 09/28/2010 12:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download
activity to
Compose started at Tue Sep 28 08:15:11 UTC 2010
Broken deps for x86_64
--
ImageMagick-6.6.4.1-14.fc15.i686 requires libgs.so.8
ImageMagick-6.6.4.1-14.fc15.x86_64 requires libgs.so.8()(64bit)
almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64
On 09/28/2010 12:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>>>
>>> If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download
>>> activity to be lower because of the promotion of the direct download
>>>
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>>
>> If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download
>> activity to be lower because of the promotion of the direct download
>> link of that particular iso. The splits in 32bit a
On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>
> If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download
> activity to be lower because of the promotion of the direct download
> link of that particular iso. The splits in 32bit and 64bit download
> activity in the torrent server is very
Brandon Lozza writes:
[...]
>
> Most of us KDE users want deliberate visible changes to the user.
> That's the point in having the latest version.
Sorry if this has been already answered before, but what about having
the KDE SIG issuing its own respin'ed DVDs, along with its own backport
repo f
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