[Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Beta RC Validation Test Summary

2010-09-25 Thread He Rui
Greetings, It's time to summarize F-14 Beta RC validation tests. Apologies for the absence of some RC3 install testing, but I'm glad to see that it went on smoothly, so special thanks for the ones who helped executing the cases. Though Beta has been declared gold based on the Beta release criterio

Re: Nautilus still no go in rawhide

2010-09-25 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:55, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 14:04 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > > (nautilus:11408): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion > > > `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > > > There also seem to be problems w

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
I can't tell people Fedora is the best if it's not carrying the latest upstream KDE, its just not possible. I'm constantly recruiting new users. I'm in regular contact with the team of people who run Techrights. If a new release of KDE comes out, this is what happens currently 1) Kubuntu adds a b

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
Wasn't this exception allowed for KDE at Fesco? Considering that a typical KDE upgrade contains bug fixes, security fixes as well as new features and UI changes. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 > Brandon Lozza wrote: > >> It would be nice

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: > It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to avoid > panics :) Well, I personally do not want to say: "Hey, anytime you like down the road, you get an exception to push a new major version. Have fun". We still need to see

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to avoid panics :) On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Brandon Lozza wrote: > >> It seems like the policy would kill the use of an upgraded KDE (4.5 to >> 4.6) because KDE almost always makes UI changes. > > The kde-sig aske

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:58:39 +0200 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Not a very latest thing but more like - more useful thing. Because > some useful "user experience" changes could lead to better user > experience even changing slightly the old one. It's not easy to catch > this in policy. I like the ide

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:21:33 +0200 Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:47:04PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates > > policy draft page: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft > > > > How ca

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:14:45 +0100 Alex Hudson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Alex Hudson wrote: > > > I think there's one thing missing: some discussion about the > > > guiding principles about where these rules came from. > > > > Well, there is the Boards v

Re: Nautilus still no go in rawhide

2010-09-25 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 14:04 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > (nautilus:11408): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion > > `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > There also seem to be problems with nautilus from GTK+ ABI changes - I > see various warnings al

Re: pushing updates for FTBFS

2010-09-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:39:00 -0400 Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > The problem is that we'd want to know what the ramifications of the > update are to the release. What if the fix for the FTBFS causes an > ABI break... but it's also the only way to fix the FTBFS within our > manpower needs? Better to d

Re: Nautilus still no go in rawhide

2010-09-25 Thread Tom London
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 09:31 -0700, Tom London wrote: >> 1. Nautilus no longer displays the desktop; believe I got some >> indication that this was part of the move to a newer desktop > > Since you aren't actually running the newer desktop

Re: Nautilus still no go in rawhide

2010-09-25 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 09:31 -0700, Tom London wrote: > 1. Nautilus no longer displays the desktop; believe I got some > indication that this was part of the move to a newer desktop Since you aren't actually running the newer desktop (GNOME Shell is temporarily not working in Rawhide, we'll ge

Re: Nautilus still no go in rawhide

2010-09-25 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 17:16 +0100, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > What is going on with Nautilus? It's not been usable for quite a while > now. Most recently, I've had it working by starting it from a terminal > window but now even that has stopped working and is giving me the > following > Gtk

Re: Nautilus still no go in rawhide

2010-09-25 Thread Tom London
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > What is going on with Nautilus? It's not been usable for quite a while > now. Most recently, I've had it working by starting it from a terminal > window but now even that has stopped working and is giving me the > following > > Gtk-

Nautilus still no go in rawhide

2010-09-25 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, What is going on with Nautilus? It's not been usable for quite a while now. Most recently, I've had it working by starting it from a terminal window but now even that has stopped working and is giving me the following Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module": libpk-gtk-module.so: ca

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Rex Dieter
Brandon Lozza wrote: > It seems like the policy would kill the use of an upgraded KDE (4.5 to > 4.6) because KDE almost always makes UI changes. The kde-sig asked FESCo to consider up to 1 KDE version upgrade per release, and this was generally well-received during the last FESCo meeting, so no

F-14 Branched report: 20100925 changes

2010-09-25 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Sat Sep 25 13:15:24 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 evolution-couchdb-0.4.92-1.fc14.x86_64 requires libedata-book-1.2.so.2()(64bit)

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:48:34AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > >> Say you ship with 50 bugs in a package.  As you update it through the >> lifetime of a release, that number should decrease more or less >> monotonically.  The bugs that take long

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-25 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:48:34AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > Say you ship with 50 bugs in a package. As you update it through the > lifetime of a release, that number should decrease more or less > monotonically. The bugs that take longest to fix are presumably the > hardest ones to fix, and

rawhide report: 20100925 changes

2010-09-25 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Sep 25 08:15:25 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- ImageMagick-6.6.4.1-14.fc15.i686 requires libgs.so.8 ImageMagick-6.6.4.1-14.fc15.x86_64 requires libgs.so.8()(64bit) almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64