Re: Kernel 2.6.34 for F13?

2010-08-20 Thread Rodd Clarkson
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Filipe Rosset wrote: > Em 20-08-2010 08:56, M A Young escreveu: > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> Will 2.6.34 pushed to stable? > > > For now, 2.6.34.3-37.fc13.x86_64 is OK for me, suspend/hibernate, sound, > KVM works like a charm! > > Still n

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Matej Cepl
Ilyes Gouta, Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:43:45 +0100: > How about a very well maintained open source piece of software, such as > WebKit which of the two forks of KHTML is well maintained in your opinion? Google one? (http://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html) > and WebKit2 (http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/We

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:25 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > That would likely be a bad idea. Mandriva did something similar a few > > years back, before I left, and it was pretty unpopular and often > > confusing for users. I lost count of

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Till Maas wrote: > Nevertheless, imho it should not be used to develop infrastructure for Fedora, > because people involved in Fedora might not want to use it, because it is not > FOSS. The less-than-clear-future roadmap for Wave as a service brings home exactly t

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > That would likely be a bad idea. Mandriva did something similar a few > years back, before I left, and it was pretty unpopular and often > confusing for users. I lost count of the number of times I explained how > to change the default fil

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 22:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: > This is definitely a step in the right direction. PK should follow > that and only display apps by default in the GUI. That would likely be a bad idea. Mandriva did something similar a few years back, before I left, and it was pretty unpopular a

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Ryan Rix
On Thu 19 August 2010 15:01:17 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Sorry, but I don't think exposing our users to remote arbitrary code > > execution (!) vulnerabilities just to make web apps a bit faster is a > > reasonable tradeoff. > > Kevin, if you took off your FSF blindfold

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 14:38 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > I think "run X as user Xorg if you're on KMS" would be a fine > > > F15Feature to aim for. Ubuntu's been working on it too: > > Of course, doing so just turns it from "

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-20 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 03:26:24PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 8/20/10 3:20 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> You are requesting people participate in discussions via Google Wave. This > >> is problematic for two reasons: > >> > >> a) Google Wave is dead > >> b) Noone wants to us

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-20 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/20/10 3:20 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> >> >> >> You are requesting people participate in discussions via Google Wave. This >> is problematic for two reasons: >> >> a) Google Wave is dead >> b) Noone wants to use Google Wave. See a) >> >> Rahul

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-20 Thread Brandon Lozza
> > > > You are requesting people participate in discussions via Google Wave. This > is problematic for two reasons: > > a) Google Wave is dead > b) Noone wants to use Google Wave. See a) > > Rahul > a) you're a troll b) you're a troll > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/21/2010 02:16 AM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: Hi all,, before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is). after some discussion, we started with some guide lines & put

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Peter Jones
On 08/20/2010 12:43 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:55 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 03:46:11AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >>> The "lesser of 2 evils" is no solution. Only NO evil at all will keep the >>> user's freedom. Users should NEVER use propri

Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-20 Thread Mahmoud Abdul Jawad
Hi all,, before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is). after some discussion, we started with some guide lines & putted them on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED, v2] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-20 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:25 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Orphan drgeo > Orphan drgeo-doc Taken. Jonathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

[ACTION REQUIRED, v2] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
The attached list shows currently orphaned packages in F-14. If they are not claimed by the end of next week, they will be blocked, potentially breaking dependencies (and causing more things to be blocked...) If you already co-maintain the package, please step up and take it. (If you don't, it may

Re: Kernel 2.6.34 for F13?

2010-08-20 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2010/8/20 Matthias Runge : > On 20/08/10 03:31, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Will 2.6.34 pushed to stable? >> >> My question is because there were also some>  2.6.30 builds for >> F11 which never rolled out and it could possible relax some things >> in combination with VMware / open-vm-tools >> >>

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 02:38:59PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> > > I think "run X as user Xorg if you're on KMS" would be a fine >> > > F15Feature to aim for.  Ubuntu's been

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-20 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 02:38:59PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > I think "run X as user Xorg if you're on KMS" would be a fine > > > F15Feature to aim for. Ubuntu's been working on it too: > > Of course, doing so just turns it

Re: Kernel 2.6.34 for F13?

2010-08-20 Thread Filipe Rosset
Em 20-08-2010 08:56, M A Young escreveu: > On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Will 2.6.34 pushed to stable? >> >> My question is because there were also some> 2.6.30 builds for >> F11 which never rolled out and it could possible relax some things >> in combination with VMware / open-vm

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > I think "run X as user Xorg if you're on KMS" would be a fine > > F15Feature to aim for. Ubuntu's been working on it too: > Of course, doing so just turns it from "Running code as X gives you > root" to "Running code as X gives

Re: Kernel 2.6.34 for F13?

2010-08-20 Thread Matthias Runge
On 20/08/10 03:31, Reindl Harald wrote: > Will 2.6.34 pushed to stable? > > My question is because there were also some> 2.6.30 builds for > F11 which never rolled out and it could possible relax some things > in combination with VMware / open-vm-tools > > https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.c

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Jon Masters
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 16:55 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 03:46:11AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > The "lesser of 2 evils" is no solution. Only NO evil at all will keep the > > user's freedom. Users should NEVER use proprietary software, be it as > > JavaScript or usin

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 03:46:11AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Kevin, if you took off your FSF blindfold you would see that it's better > > for web sites to use JavaScript. If they complied to /your/ wishes we > > would have a thousand proprietary protocols, probably

F-14 Branched report: 20100820 changes

2010-08-20 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Aug 20 13:15:48 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2010-08-20 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) Please resolve this as soon as po

Broken dependencies: perl-Config-Model

2010-08-20 Thread buildsys
perl-Config-Model has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) >= 0:0.303 On i386: perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) >= 0:0.303 Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedor

Re: broken dependencies caused by GNOME bouncing between 3 and 2.x without any advance notice

2010-08-20 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 19 August 2010 at 18:26, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 17:18 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Thursday, 19 August 2010 at 16:39, Matthias Clasen wrote: [...] > > > Again, I'm sorry. Maybe it makes you feel better to know that I am > > > feeling the sa

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-20 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Léon Keijser wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 03:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > The "lesser of 2 evils" is no solution. Only NO evil at all will keep the > > user's freedom. Users should NEVER use proprietary software, be it as > > JavaScript or using a proprieta

Re: Kernel 2.6.34 for F13?

2010-08-20 Thread M A Young
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Reindl Harald wrote: > Will 2.6.34 pushed to stable? > > My question is because there were also some > 2.6.30 builds for > F11 which never rolled out and it could possible relax some things > in combination with VMware / open-vm-tools > > https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bu

rawhide report: 20100820 changes

2010-08-20 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Aug 20 08:15:10 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.8.3-2.fc14.i686 requires libpoppler.so.6 OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.8.3-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libpoppler.so.6()(64bit) PragmA

Re: Why does X run as root?

2010-08-20 Thread Andrew Clayton
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:49:33 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:28:23PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: > > > I think "run X as user Xorg if you're on KMS" would be a fine > > F15Feature to aim for. Ubuntu's been working on it too: > > Of course, doing so just turns it from "Ru