On Sat, March 13, 2010 4:58 pm, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> Isn't there a mere RISK to lose 70-80% of our users if we do _not_
> implement
> the changes as well? Especially given the chance that the poll did not
> represent a significant user sample?
How many users do we need?
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Hicham Haouari wrote:
> I want to add two packages to comps in F-13 and devel:
> - ueagle-atm4-firmware to hardware-support group as default
> - linux-atm to dial-up group as default
The justification(s) for this... are?
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 03:20:02AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Chris Adams wrote:
> > Right after you _prove_ that this IS the case. How quick would you be
> > to reject that poll as unscientific and meaningless if it didn't go your
> > way? I thought it was a bad idea and didn't even take a loo
Hi Everybody,
I want to add two packages to comps in F-13 and devel:
- ueagle-atm4-firmware to hardware-support group as default
- linux-atm to dial-up group as default
Is there any objection to this ?
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I picked up the greyhounds package a while back because it was a fun
game (and I have greyhounds :)
Sadly however, I am going to orphan it again due to:
- Upstream is completely dead. I have gotten no response to lists/forum
posts anything. And the last release was almost 2 years ago.
- It c
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 12/03/10 19:27, Adam Williamson wrote:
> --snipped--
>>>
>>> Bringing it back to dialup.
>>> Fedora liveCD 500-700mb
>>> CentOS DVD 3.5GB app.
>>> Fedora 1, CentOS 0
>>
>> In my experience, many users with restricted bandwidth actually pref
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>> > Fundamental point of view difference. You take the point of view of
>> > push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not
>> > to.
>>
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Thomas Janssen
wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how
>>> you define "more ammeniable to new cont
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how
>> you define "more ammeniable to new contributors", so that's harder to
>> address. Still, I think it's
Hello, folks.
Is there anyone available to review the packages?
gluegen - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572512
jogl - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572515
Veja quais são os ass
Compose started at Sat Mar 13 09:15:11 UTC 2010
Broken deps for i386
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doodle-0.6.7-5.fc12.i686 requires libextractor.so.1
easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libboost_serialization-mt.so.5
edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.i68
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:10:44 +0200, Nikolay wrote:
> Hi
>
> There are a lot of generally useful macros in Fedora, which are not
> described in the Fedora wiki: %__awk, %__bzip2, %__cat, %__chgrp,
> %__chmod, %__chown, %__cp, %__cpio, %__file, %__gpg, %__grep,
> %__gzip, %__id, %__install, %__ln_s
On Friday 12 March 2010 04:54:43 pm Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 14:56 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > How does this proposal go with upgrades? I think stable updates +
> > upgrades are tight together. Are we going to be more conservative in new
> > releases too? Extend "stable" r
> "NU" == Nikolay Ulyanitsky writes:
NU> Some maintainers use them, some do not.
I guess people who really like extra typing, wrist pain or spec files
which are difficult to read would use them.
NU> What is recommended way?
It's up to you, but something like "%{__cp}" is absolutely pointle
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 19:10 +0200, Nikolay Ulyanitsky wrote:
> Hi
>
> There are a lot of generally useful macros in Fedora, which are not
> described in the Fedora wiki: %__awk, %__bzip2, %__cat, %__chgrp,
> %__chmod, %__chown, %__cp, %__cpio, %__file, %__gpg, %__grep,
> %__gzip, %__id, %__install
Hi
There are a lot of generally useful macros in Fedora, which are not
described in the Fedora wiki: %__awk, %__bzip2, %__cat, %__chgrp,
%__chmod, %__chown, %__cp, %__cpio, %__file, %__gpg, %__grep,
%__gzip, %__id, %__install, %__ln_s, %__lzma, %__xz, %__make,
%__mkdir, %__mkdir_p, %__mv, %__patch
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:27:00 -0500
Jon Masters wrote:
> Dealing with the number of Fedora updates getting shoved out to
> unsuspecting users is a bigger pain. I don't even bother to update my
> system daily now because I know I may need to schedule some time to
> fix something when I do upgrade.
Once upon a time, Felix Miata said:
> Not even. Just don't use new technology as excuse to accelerate abandonment
> of old hardware. New stuff does not instantly convert old stuff into bad
> stuff. We don't force old BMWs into salvage yards just because new ones use
> different sized tires. Tire m
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:43 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> Neither can be done without an outside/neutral polling agency
>> contacting and getting responses from at least 600-3000 random Fedora
>> users. The poll that was given was
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> Here is where we have a definition problem. To me, unbaked stuff is
>> things that haven't had a good month of testing if its a large change
>> (a couple of days if its a small one).
>
> If you count all the tes
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:09 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> So for most users, when updating to updates-testing (or something
>> straight from bodhi/koji that has not been put in updates-testing) a 0
>> is the most likely response t
Compose started at Sat Mar 13 08:15:12 UTC 2010
Broken deps for i386
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easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libboost_serialization-mt.so.5
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.fc12.i686 requires libecore_job.so.0
emotion-0.1.0.042-5.
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 19:56 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> Jon Masters wrote:
> > And prove your point that users are desperate for intrusive
> > rolling updates and won't just use Rawhide instead if they want to get
> > the very latest and greatest unbaked stuff.
>
> First off: I'm not asking f
An increase of private mail is not leaving much time to participate in
these endless threads on devel list, if I still want to get something done
beyond that. So, just this:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:20:02 +0100, Kevin wrote:
> There is no need to prove it: The mere RISK of losing 70-80% of our user
On 03/13/2010 03:57 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> Still trying to sort out coordination of our 2 packages by 2 different
> maintainers that must be kept in sync. Surprise, one was automatically
> pushed to stable due to karma.
>
> Can that feature be selectively disabled?
In Bodhi web UI there is an o
Neal Becker wrote:
> Still trying to sort out coordination of our 2 packages by 2 different
> maintainers that must be kept in sync. Surprise, one was automatically
> pushed to stable due to karma.
>
> Can that feature be selectively disabled?
>
yes. Make sure the "Enable karma automatism" op
Still trying to sort out coordination of our 2 packages by 2 different
maintainers that must be kept in sync. Surprise, one was automatically
pushed to stable due to karma.
Can that feature be selectively disabled?
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On 03/13/2010 08:17 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
> On 03/13/2010 12:45 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>> On 2010/03/10 21:28 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed:
>>
>>
>>
>>> For anyone serious about storage (performance, reliability and power
>>> consumption) this will be a positive step.
>>>
>>>
On 03/13/2010 12:45 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2010/03/10 21:28 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed:
>
>
>> For anyone serious about storage (performance, reliability and power
>> consumption) this will be a positive step.
>>
> Not everyone. Users of larger numbers of small files and small n
On 03/13/10 11:46, Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> On 03/13/2010 11:52 AM, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote:
>> pe, 2010-03-12 kello 15:20 -0800, Jesse Keating kirjoitti:
>
>> As Fedora is the distribution I'm most familiar with, I've also
>> installed it on some of my family members' systems
Le 13/03/2010 12:46, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
> You actually want a different distribution, likely a Fedora LTS, not
> current Fedora.
>
> Unfortunately, Fedora's leadership repeatedly had brushed off a Fedora
> LTS as "unmaintainable" and redirected people to CentOS.
>
> Ralf
Our primary miss
On 03/13/2010 11:52 AM, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote:
> pe, 2010-03-12 kello 15:20 -0800, Jesse Keating kirjoitti:
> As Fedora is the distribution I'm most familiar with, I've also
> installed it on some of my family members' systems but lately I've been
> considering switching those to Ubuntu once th
pe, 2010-03-12 kello 15:20 -0800, Jesse Keating kirjoitti:
> Keeping that cutting-edge release practice, but adding to that stability
> once released would indeed be a very unique and desirable niche for
> Fedora to fill.
I've avoided participating in these threads, since I don't really want
to fe
On 03/12/2010 05:07 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/12/2010 08:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>
>>> This is extremely poor attitude Kevin and reeks of arrogance. Talking
>>> down on users and contributors who don't have the privilege of high
>>> bandwidth connections isn't what I expected from yo
On 13 March 2010 01:46, Chris Adams wrote:
> Kevin, you are continually talking as if you represent a vast majority
> of all Fedora users and the Fedora project itself. You say "we" do
> something, when you really mean "the KDE SIG". Please stop trying to
> speak for everybody else.
FWIW, not e
On 03/13/2010 09:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 07:05 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
>> As usual, a pragmatical solution/compromise would be inbetween.
>
> This is the fallacy of the middle way. it's simply not always true.
I disagree: fanatical radicalism is naive and will a
Le samedi 13 mars 2010 à 06:50 +0100, Kevin Kofler a écrit :
> Rawhide is not the answer. It comes with disruptive changes (and there's no
> real way to avoid this problem,
So the right solution is to let you do your own disruptive changes in
stable so you don't have to deal with other people di
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 07:05 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> As usual, a pragmatical solution/compromise would be inbetween.
This is the fallacy of the middle way. it's simply not always true. If I
say I'd like to steal $100 from you, and you'd prefer me not to steal
any of your money, is the 'obvi
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 07:55 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Then why not change the way Fedora is presented in the release notes.
> (said in half jest yesterday, by myself)
> That to keep Fedora fully updated
> "A highspeed internet connection is recommended"
>
>
> No, I'm not trying to help create
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:55 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> > What exactly are you trying to say?
>
> > "Do not support newer hardware to give vendors a reaons to sell old
> > hardware" ?
>
> Not even. Just don't use new technology as excuse to accelerate abandonment
> of old hardware. New stuff do
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:43 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> Neither can be done without an outside/neutral polling agency
> contacting and getting responses from at least 600-3000 random Fedora
> users. The poll that was given was one that could be easily stuffed
> and not easily proven that
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:09 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> So for most users, when updating to updates-testing (or something
> straight from bodhi/koji that has not been put in updates-testing) a 0
> is the most likely response that should be given. A +1 should only be
> given in cases where
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