tomorrow's i18n meeting

2010-01-17 Thread Jens Petersen
A reminder of tomorrow's biweekly i18n meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-01-19 Please follow up if you have a topic for discussion. Jens -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

New test machine

2010-01-17 Thread Ankur Sinha
hey, I just got myself an extra laptop that I can use to test stuff. this is the smolt profile: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_5a1b4c49-e64d-45d8-91d7-9806815221b5 please feel free to ask me to test stuff for you, I'm not using this machine for any work. regards, Ankur [ X posted to t

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-17 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:46:18PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jan 2010, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > We could easily create a new class of bugzilla ticket, say > > "MAINTAINED". An automated process would generate such tickets, > > blocking F13MAINTAINED. The ticket would ask the maintain

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/16/2010 03:50 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:13:32AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> With nobody handling the incoming bugzilla tickets. With some bug >> reports having been killed in an automated way at dist EOL. And >> worse if it turns out that packages which do bui

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-17 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010, Matt Domsch wrote: > We could easily create a new class of bugzilla ticket, say > "MAINTAINED". An automated process would generate such tickets, > blocking F13MAINTAINED. The ticket would ask the maintainer to close > the ticket to remain the owner of the package. Ticket

Re: yum-presto and comps

2010-01-17 Thread Jens Petersen
I meant to add that the reason this came up was I was trying to work out where to put yum-langpacks in comps: yum-presto being one of the reference packages I searched for. So where can/should yum-langpacks live? Jens -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraprojec

Re: libxklavier bump

2010-01-17 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 16.01.2010, 22:11 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen: > I am going to build libxklavier 5.0 in rawhide, which bumps the soname, > and also contains a small api change. The following packages will have > to be rebuilt: > > gnome-settings-daemon > gdm > control-center > kdebase-workspace

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-17 Thread Ian Burrell
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Till Maas wrote: > >> perl-SVN-Mirror iburrell (fixed by Till Maas; spot says kill it) >> perl-SVN-Simple iburrell > > There is a minor error: I fixed the -Simple package with a patch > submitted in the upstream bugtracker iirc 7 days ago. But I also noticed > that

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Tom Lane
Tony Nelson writes: > On 10-01-17 12:32:17, Mail Lists wrote: >> Someone else asked this earlier - but why do users need the >> debug-info packages - only the debugger looking at the tracebacks >> needs this. So seems installing the debug files on every desktop/ >> server that has a problem is mu

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-17 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:06:09PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 09:01:20PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:17:28PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:00:50AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > > The following 30 packages, with respe

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-17 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:39:50AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:39:54 +0100 > Till Maas wrote: > > > > Indeed. I don't see much activity from them. > > > Have you tried sending them an email? > > > If not, I can. > > > > No, please go ahead. > > I took the liberty right

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Camilo Mesias
cores typically compress fantastically well, too. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

gnome-desktop bump

2010-01-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
I'm going to build gnome-desktop 2.29.5 in rawhide, which bumps the soname of libgnome-desktop-2.so. Affected packages are: avant-window-navigator awn-extras-applets cheese compiz-gnome control-center deskbar-applet eel2 eog evolution evolution-bogofilter evolution-conduits galeon gnome-applets gn

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/17/2010 01:20 PM, Tony Nelson wrote: > Apparently Linux has no mini-dump facility, so the upload of the whole > core dump file would be onerous as well. > I'd still bet a core file is smaller than the 60 - 100 debug packages (per crashing app) I need before I can send a trace back. --

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-01-17 12:32:17, Mail Lists wrote: > On 01/17/2010 11:57 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > Am Sonntag, den 17.01.2010, 15:53 +0100 schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: > >> On 01/16/2010 04:01 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > >> > >> I'm open to any ideas how to improve this. > > > Someone else asked th

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Camilo Mesias
>  Someone else asked this earlier - but why do users need the debug-info > packages - only the debugger looking at the tracebacks needs this. So > seems installing the debug files on every desktop/server that has a > problem is much less efficient than just on the dev computer who needs > the info

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/17/2010 11:57 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 17.01.2010, 15:53 +0100 schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: >> On 01/16/2010 04:01 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: >> >> I'm open to any ideas how to improve this. Someone else asked this earlier - but why do users need the debug-info packages

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 17.01.2010, 15:53 +0100 schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: > On 01/16/2010 04:01 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > I know that APRT is still very young technology, but after 2 months it's > > time for a interim conclusion. For me the conclusions are: > > > > Pro: > > > >* abrt is a help

Navit: Re: Any takers for gpsdrive ?

2010-01-17 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 01:07 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:46:27 -0700, Kevin wrote: > > > Greetings. > > > > I'd like to find some folks interested in co-maintaining or just fully > > maintaining gpsdrive. It's a nifty gps app that lets you download maps > > and follow

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Tom Lane
Camilo Mesias writes: > What if every component had a placeholder bug for undiagnosed ABRT > info. Keeping all of them together would help to gauge which are > significant and which are one-in-a-million cosmic rays flipping RAM > bits etc. Well, it's supposed to do that already I think: if you ge

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 01/16/2010 04:01 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: I know that APRT is still very young technology, but after 2 months it's time for a interim conclusion. For me the conclusions are: Pro: * abrt is a help for developers: I received one positive feedback from a developer: The backt

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 17.01.2010, 12:36 +0100 schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: > IMHO the big plus of abrt is it triggers even when the user is not > giving his full attention to the app and not checking what it does > exactly when it crashes (typical example is multitasking and doing stuff > in 3-4 apps when o

how to handle a gui- and non-gui-version of the same library/soname

2010-01-17 Thread Milos Jakubicek
Hi all, is there any good way how to handle the situation described at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528524 ? I.e. you have a single library (single soname) which can be compiled with or without GUI support (with different ABI) -- and we'd like to have both of them, of course --

Re: Missing multi-lib -debuginfo files.

2010-01-17 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 14:18 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > Gilboa Davara wrote: > > I'm trying to debug an issue with 32bit application running on top of > > x86_64 F12 installation. (Using multi-lib i686 RPMs) > > However, debuginfo install doesn't seem to be able to resolve i686 > > debuginfo. >

Re: Missing multi-lib -debuginfo files.

2010-01-17 Thread Björn Persson
Gilboa Davara wrote: > I'm trying to debug an issue with 32bit application running on top of > x86_64 F12 installation. (Using multi-lib i686 RPMs) > However, debuginfo install doesn't seem to be able to resolve i686 > debuginfo. That's right. There are only 64-bit debuginfo packages in the 64-bit

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Camilo Mesias
Can we draw any parallels from work in the commercial world? (I was going to use the word 'professional' but don't want to disparage open source work... it's just a different ecosystem) So at work we have to produce a software product. We test the product to the best of our ability / to test plans

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:09:56 +0100, Nicolas wrote: > > A downside is that ABRT is triggered for all sorts of weird > > memory/heap > > corruption that isn't reproducible. Stability problems with RAM chips > > are widespread. > > > > A bugzilla stock response that points at "memtester" and "memtes

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:36:03PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 à 15:09 -0500, Tom Lane a écrit : > > Users have to provide information > > about what they were doing, copies of input files, etc etc just the > > same as in a manually-initiated bug report. > > IMHO th

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 17 janvier 2010 à 12:53 +0100, Michael Schwendt a écrit : > On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:36:03 +0100, Nicolas wrote: > > > Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 à 15:09 -0500, Tom Lane a écrit : > > > Users have to provide information > > > about what they were doing, copies of input files, etc etc jus

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:36:03 +0100, Nicolas wrote: > Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 à 15:09 -0500, Tom Lane a écrit : > > Users have to provide information > > about what they were doing, copies of input files, etc etc just the > > same as in a manually-initiated bug report. > > IMHO the big plus of

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 à 15:09 -0500, Tom Lane a écrit : > Users have to provide information > about what they were doing, copies of input files, etc etc just the > same as in a manually-initiated bug report. IMHO the big plus of abrt is it triggers even when the user is not giving his full a

Missing multi-lib -debuginfo files.

2010-01-17 Thread Gilboa Davara
Hello all, I'm trying to debug an issue with 32bit application running on top of x86_64 F12 installation. (Using multi-lib i686 RPMs) However, debuginfo install doesn't seem to be able to resolve i686 debuginfo. $ debuginfo-install alsa-lib.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 dbus-libs.i686 pulseau