On 9/19/2012 7:04 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote:
A while ago (I think more than a couple of years ago now), Vlad
implemented FunctionTimer which is a facility to time how much each
function exactly takes to run. Then, I went ahead and instrumented a
whole bunch of code which was triggered throughout
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>> FWIW, when preferential content access is tied to ISP instead of
>> hardware brand, Mozilla has gone as far as sending letters to D.C.
>> against such tying. (Yes, preferred access by
On Wednesday 2012-09-19 00:04 -0400, Ehsan Akhgari wrote:
> A while ago (I think more than a couple of years ago now), Vlad
> implemented FunctionTimer which is a facility to time how much each
> function exactly takes to run. Then, I went ahead and instrumented
> a whole bunch of code which was t
A while ago (I think more than a couple of years ago now), Vlad
implemented FunctionTimer which is a facility to time how much each
function exactly takes to run. Then, I went ahead and instrumented a
whole bunch of code which was triggered throughout our startup path to
get a sense of what th
On 9/18/12 1:37 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
I think this is the worst abuse of a UA string I've ever heard of.
Actually, I would say this is one of the stronger use cases that I've
seen for UA sniffing.
...
So it seems to me that not putting hardware tokens in the UA string
effectively disables
On 9/18/2012 11:58 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote:
grep is not a suitable discovery mechanism for casual developers. What
they want is a categorized list. Something like [1]. And, this should
be easily accessible. |make documentation| doesn't count because it
requires obtaining a source tree. We shoul
Jonas Sicking schrieb:
For Firefox OS, we are getting requests from partners to add tokens to
the UA string which identify the hardware device on which Firefox OS
is running.
I think using the UA is surely the wrong place for this. If we allow the
models that want to be achieved with this at a
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>> Say that HTC wants to
>> market their phones towards soccer enthusiasts. They could do this by
>> paying the local soccer league access to a set of games which will be
>> streamed fro
On 9/17/12 10:40 AM, Justin Lebar wrote:
Many believe that MDN should be where user-facing API documentation lives.
Who's the user here? Add-on developers, Gecko developers, or
something else? It sounds like maybe you mean Gecko developers?
I really don't think the task of Gecko developers,
Mike Hommey schrieb:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:17:16PM +0300, Henri Sivonen wrote:
(Remember Web sites in the 1990s that blocked access from
browsers that the authors hadn't tested. Those were not cool.)
Such sites still exist, and they still aren't cool.
Right, just nowadays Firefox is usu
On 8/2/2012 6:32 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx
IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps in
intent with our Tablet token.
Dao suggests it would be nice to get cross-browser consistency here.
On 18/09/12 09:48, Jonas Sicking wrote:
I don't think there's a "good detection practice" for detecting what
hardware the user is running.
So either:
1) we need to invent one; or
2) we think that there is no legitimate use for the information (or
perhaps that there are a small number, but th
On 18/09/12 09:37, Jonas Sicking wrote:
So it seems to me that not putting hardware tokens in the UA string
effectively disables this business model.
I'm not sure that's true. Having no way to detect the underlying
hardware platform effectively disables this business model - or perhaps,
"busi
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:17:16PM +0300, Henri Sivonen wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> > * App stores only want to deliver applications to devices which they
> > know will run on the device.
>
> This would make sense in an Apple-esque walled garden with relativel
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> Say that HTC wants to
> market their phones towards soccer enthusiasts. They could do this by
> paying the local soccer league access to a set of games which will be
> streamed from HTCs website.
...
> I can't say that I hold this business m
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> * App stores only want to deliver applications to devices which they
> know will run on the device.
This would make sense in an Apple-esque walled garden with relatively
few different device models. However, if Mozilla's app initiative is
su
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> Since Firefox OS is openly accessible to hardware vendors, wouldn't it
> be easy for them to override any decision made by Mozilla if they or
> their content partners would prefer it that way?
The code is available, but it doesn't follow
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
> For Firefox OS, we are getting requests from partners to add tokens to
> the UA string which identify the hardware device on which Firefox OS
> is running.
We already had this debate for Firefox for Android. I think we should
apply the same
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:
> On 13/09/12 07:27, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>>
>> * Some content providers strike deals with hardware manufacturers
>> which allow devices made by the manufacturer to access content for
>> free. One way that this is implemented is by looking fo
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:49 AM, Nicholas Nethercote
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>>
>> * Some content providers strike deals with hardware manufacturers
>> which allow devices made by the manufacturer to access content for
>> free. One way that this is implement
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