Re: [E] Re: Proposal: make utilities declared in Cleanup.h part of TS API

2023-09-01 Thread Masakazu Kitajo
> Its a judgement call, how much to minimize the API. Yes, that's why we send API proposals on the dev list. And I don't think I'm absolutely right. If we, as a community, want to have utilities as TS API, that's what we should do. I'm disappointed that others don't join this discussion, but if th

Re: [E] Re: Proposal: make utilities declared in Cleanup.h part of TS API

2023-08-31 Thread Walt Karas
We could also change the API so it provided plugins with raw HTTP headers, and let each plugin parse the headerd. Its a judgement call, how much to minimize the API. Scenario 1. We continue to write code without RAII. We have resulting resource leaks. We (potentially) find a way to put RAII in

Re: [E] Re: Proposal: make utilities declared in Cleanup.h part of TS API

2023-08-31 Thread Masakazu Kitajo
I don't see why we want to provide a helmet with TS API mark. Somebody may make a third party helmet which is better than ours. Can we steal the design? Can we make a much better one? I'm not sure because that may require interface change and/or behavior change. Then ours would be useless. It's not

Re: [E] Re: Proposal: make utilities declared in Cleanup.h part of TS API

2023-08-31 Thread Walt Karas
The analogy I would make is to needing a helmet to ride a motorcycle. You don' t need it in the strictest sense, but you need it for a reasonable level of safety. You need RAII for a reasonable level of safety against resource leaks. On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 1:50 PM Masakazu Kitajo wrote: > I s

Re: [E] Re: Proposal: make utilities declared in Cleanup.h part of TS API

2023-08-31 Thread Masakazu Kitajo
I see your point, but I think we need to draw a line. High-priority capability is blurry and questionable. We have not *needed* it for years. > We could support RAII better, but I don't think it's feasible in 10.0. This implies Cleanup.h will be unnecessary after we make it better. Not discardin

Re: [E] Re: Proposal: make utilities declared in Cleanup.h part of TS API

2023-08-30 Thread Walt Karas
The utilities in Cleanup.h add RAII capabilities to the TS API. I hope we don't need to have a debate about the value of RAII. Certainly, any API can become bloated with too many features. But RAII seems like a high-priority capability to support. We could support RAII better, but I don't think

Re: Proposal: make utilities declared in Cleanup.h part of TS API

2023-08-30 Thread Masakazu Kitajo
I wonder what should be part of TS API. There may be some exceptions, but TS API basically provides things that can only be done on ATS core. Question for all, would we want to have utilities as TS API? -- Masakazu On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 11:48 AM Walt Karas wrote: > See the PR https://github.