Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread frederic
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:51:46 +0200, Uriel wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Pinocchio wrote: A few months ago lobobrowser.org caught my eye. Its a browser written in java (hold on... don't kick me off the list... :) ) but the thing I liked about it was its support for alternative docum

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread frederic
* defining a protocol that would play the role of HTTP, I don't think that would be necessary. HTTP is okay. Good enough versus Right. An old story. It is true it isn't that bad, but it needs some cleanup. Of course it has to be totally incompatible with the current "web stack", browser in

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-09 Thread frederic
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:06:20 +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: 2009/9/9 Pinocchio : I am saying this because even after a lot of marketing muscle and commercial force, it has been hard for Adobe, Sun and Microsoft to push their rendering stacks over HTML + Javascript. Flash is the only thing w

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-09 Thread frederic
Maybe it is not that hard to do. I think it is possible to build a prototype using Lua with some GUI toolkit bindings for instance: the server would send the Lua source to the client, and the client interprets it. Yup something like that. I guess you chose Lua because Lua is small in size

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-14 Thread frederic
Sorry Anselm, I forgot to thank you for your quick answer. 1. I designed a software to automate testing of the boxes that we build. The main language used is Python (I guess it's hard to avoid OO when using python). Basically the design is such that I have a test case class that is used wh

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-15 Thread frederic
Anselm R Garbe wrote: I don't miss closures. You got the static keyword to avoid polluting the global namespace. Kind regards, Anselm U think it may be genetic? :) Byzantine libraries, rich class hierarchies, clever closures, maybe are for members of the species /programmator domesticus/.

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-18 Thread frederic
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:00:05 +0200, Pinocchio wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:58:39 -0700, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: On 9/16/09, Frederic DUBOIS wrote: 2009/9/16 Uriel : On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:03 AM, frederic wrote: I'm pretty sure that if C featured closures, Anselm would cle

Re: [dev] [dmenu] Cache on start option?

2009-10-21 Thread frederic
dmenu can read items from stdin. You may create the cache yourself with e.g. "ls -1 -colors=never /bin >cache", then do "dmenu at the dmenu_run script for details.

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-29 Thread frederic
Example: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/img/collection/why-transparency-is-evil.jpg So sugar is evil, because if one eats too much of it, one may die. So, I agree with uriel: transparency is for idiots. Often, drunk people seem to believe that other people are drunk. Do yourself a fav

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread frederic
This thread is about the features st should implement and transparency surely is a thing that shouldn't be implemented by st, so we should probably abandon this topic. I totally agree that transparency shouldn't be part of the features of st, althought I do use transparent. I thought that

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-10-30 Thread frederic
Do yourself a favour: stop calling others idiots. No. Great, yet another Uriel.

Re: [dev] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-15 Thread frederic
I'm quite picky, and I have yet to see anything I don't like in Go, So now closures are not an issue anymore?And you don't see the OO non-non-support (sic) [from the FAQ: "is Go an OO language?" "-Yes and no"] as a problem? Beware, if you use Go's methods you might write OO-style code with

Re: [dev] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-15 Thread frederic
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:43:46PM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: On 11/15/09, frederic wrote: and sacrifices some efficiency to have a few higher level language features (gc, interface, string, map, package, init, defer, closure..) as a bonus it has multi tasking support (go, chan, select

Re: [dev] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-15 Thread frederic
So now closures are not an issue anymore? There is nothing wrong with closures per se, hacking them up on top of C is what is wrong. That's basically what you replied to me in an other thread: "I'm pretty sure that if C featured closures, Anselm and many others would promptly and cleverly han

Re: [dev] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-16 Thread frederic
Compared to your grand-daddy's GC? Obviously yes. But no GC language has yet prevailed against C in benchmarks. I don't have any statistics, but I'm not so sure of that. At least, as I said, depending on the use case. Heavily multi-threaded and dynamic memory intensive code takes a huge hit

Re: [dev] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-16 Thread frederic
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 02:54:23PM +0100, Tobias Ulmer wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 02:24:41PM +0100, frederic wrote: All this is more than just nit-picking. Pike claims a 10-20% loss compared to C, which would still be quite good. However, the first benchmarks tell another story at the

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-16 Thread Frederic DUBOIS
2009/9/16 Uriel : > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:03 AM, frederic wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that if C featured closures, Anselm would cleverly use them >> and >> make an even more simple, customizable and elegant dwm. > > I'm pretty sure that if C featured clo

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-04 Thread Frederic DUBOIS
>> widget tool kit >> > > Anselm and me were discussing about the widget toolkit, the code name of the > project > is "dwk" Dynamic Widget Kit. which is atm just a README with few random > ideas. > >  http://hg.youterm.com/dwk Something like GraphApp? (http://www.enchantia.com/software/graphapp/)

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-04 Thread Frederic DUBOIS
2010/3/4 Mate Nagy : > On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 01:14:37PM +0100, Frederic DUBOIS wrote: > >> Something like GraphApp? (http://www.enchantia.com/software/graphapp/) > looks nice until you realize it doesn't support fonts (and they even > ideologized it for themselves in the