Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Fri 28 Oct 2011 08:54:12 AM PDT, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 Guilherme Lino wrote: > > no one out of the professional field of computer sience have the > > time or patience to learn this unix philosophy.. > > "nobody will ever need more then 64k of memory".. "I

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Troels Henriksen
Kurt H Maier writes: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: >> >> yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal >> person > > who the fuck cares about normal people? The person who made the talk, obviously. I don't get the cognitive dissonance here

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:15:42 -0700, "Suraj N. Kurapati" wrote: > On Thu 27 Oct 2011 05:00:41 PM PDT, Pieter Praet wrote: > > Don't worry, you're not missing out on anything, besides the guy > > making a total fool of himself in front of a totally oblivious > > audience (which is just annoying; no

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:12 +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 > Guilherme Lino wrote: > > > latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional > > field of computer sience have the time or patience to learn this unix > > philosophy.. > > are you trol

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:25:48 +0200 Pieter Praet wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:12 +0200, Dieter Plaetinck > wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 > > Guilherme Lino wrote: > > > > > latex is cool, vim, dwm, but no one out of the professional > > > field of computer sience have the

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Paul Onyschuk
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:33:18 +0100 Guilherme Lino wrote: > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a > normal person > > i remember first time i used ubuntu. i started a openoffice > presentation on the 4th slide the system was already unusable. And > wet back to windows,

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread hiro
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 07:58, Pieter Praet wrote: > That's because Ubuntu sucks only marginally less than Windows > Huh? Ubuntu sucks a lot more.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 27/10/11 Guilherme Lino said: > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > person Dunno, my Mother is pretty normal. My 9-year-old son is rather special, but he's had no computer education at all. They both manage. At least openoffice allows opening of those st

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 10/28/11 at 01:35pm, hiro wrote: > > That's because Ubuntu sucks only marginally less than Windows > > > > Huh? Ubuntu sucks a lot more. I'm just a user of some suckless software, but anyway: if "suck" in this thread is used with the semi-technical sense of "not abiding by the suckless philos

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Troels Henriksen wrote: > from the purview of the average computer user. this is the biggest part of why he's an asshole. if you're not willing to learn how to use a computer don't buy a computer. if your biggest complaint about a piece of software is "I can't i

Re: [dev] [dwm] BadAtom error solved

2011-10-28 Thread Christoph Helma
Changing the last argument of XInternAtom to False works too. Up to now I did not run into troubles with WM_HINTS, but I might have just been lucky. Christoph Atom wmProperty = XInternAtom(display->get(), "_MOTIF_WM_HINTS", False); On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:05:26 +0100, pod wrote: > > "CH" ==

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 28 October 2011 12:46, Kurt H Maier wrote: > this is the biggest part of why he's an asshole.  if you're not > willing to learn how to use a computer don't buy a computer.  if your > biggest complaint about a piece of software is "I can't immediately > use it" then you are an asshole, full stop

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread hiro
"Ubuntu [...] encourages the occasional foray into the terminal emulator" It's sadly not what Ubuntu is about. And they discourage compiling your own stuff IIRC. I agree with some people here who say Lunix is not Lunix. Of course it's what you make out of it. Out of Ubuntu you can only try to mak

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:18:18 +0200, Troels Henriksen wrote: > Kurt H Maier writes: > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > >> > >> yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > >> person > > > > who the fuck cares about normal people? > > The

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:46:50 -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Troels Henriksen wrote: > > from the purview of the average computer user. > > this is the biggest part of why he's an asshole. if you're not > willing to learn how to use a computer don't buy a computer.

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:47:34 +0200, Manolo Martínez wrote: > On 10/28/11 at 01:35pm, hiro wrote: > > > That's because Ubuntu sucks only marginally less than Windows > > > > > > > Huh? Ubuntu sucks a lot more. > > I'm just a user of some suckless software, but anyway: if "suck" in this > thread

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 28/10/11 Pieter Praet said: > When acquiring *any* type of technology (in the very broad sense of the > word), you should either make an effort to educate yourself regarding > available options, usage and maintenance, or reimburse someone to do it > all for you. > > If you refuse to do either

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 28/10/11 Connor Lane Smith said: > (The only truly intuitive interface is a nipple.) I have two kids. Trust me, it's not. Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:16:33 +0100 Connor Lane Smith wrote: > On 28 October 2011 12:46, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > this is the biggest part of why he's an asshole.  if you're not > > willing to learn how to use a computer don't buy a computer.  if > > your biggest complaint about a piece of softwar

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Jakub Lach
Dnia 28 października 2011 14:17 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> napisał(a): > And they discourage compiling > your own stuff IIRC. "Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight!"

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > So knowing this, I would classify the expectations that arise as a > consequence of being indoctrinated by years of windows usage, > under the category of intuition :) your grasp of genetics is breathtaking -- # Kurt H Maier

[dev] [st] Patch to fix selection rendering

2011-10-28 Thread Tarmo Heiskanen
Latest st revision introduces dirtyness handling but it wasn't implemented for selections. This patch here corrects that and selections are rendered correctly again. BTW, dirtyness thing made st fast enough to be usable as main terminal, thanks for that. ;) diff -r fb96d95c5174 st.c --- a/st.c

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:41:52 +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > [...] I think that if generations of people use windows, > this acclimatization also slowly grows in their DNA, So, only a matter of time before this becomes reality: - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ > [...] > > Dieter >

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:41:21 -0400, "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: > On 28/10/11 Pieter Praet said: > > > When acquiring *any* type of technology (in the very broad sense of the > > word), you should either make an effort to educate yourself regarding > > available options, usage and maintenance, o

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Praet wrote: > And I absolutely agree that for most FOSS projects, grokking the source > is rather unlikely to have a positive ROI re time and effort, so And that's why suckless.org is important. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:29:24 -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Pieter Praet wrote: > > And I absolutely agree that for most FOSS projects, grokking the source > > is rather unlikely to have a positive ROI re time and effort, so > > > And that's why suckless.org is i

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 28/10/11 Kurt H Maier said: > > And I absolutely agree that for most FOSS projects, grokking the source > > is rather unlikely to have a positive ROI re time and effort, so > > > And that's why suckless.org is important. Is that to say that suckless.org code is simple enough to be its own do

Re: [dev] [st] Patch to fix selection rendering

2011-10-28 Thread Peter John Hartman
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 06:31:16PM +0300, Tarmo Heiskanen wrote: > Latest st revision introduces dirtyness handling but it wasn't > implemented for selections. This patch here corrects that and > selections are rendered correctly again. BTW, dirtyness thing made st > fast enough to be usable as mai

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Pieter Praet
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:46:53 +0200, Jakub Lach wrote: > Dnia 28 października 2011 14:17 hiro > <23h...@googlemail.com> napisał(a): > > > And they discourage compiling > > your own stuff IIRC. > > "Watching shit scroll by for hours makes > me a Linux expert overnight!" > Now you're just bein

[dev] New floating windows on unselected tags are misplaced

2011-10-28 Thread Josh Rickmar
Hello, With the latest dwm tip, I just noticed that if a floating window is opened and tagged with an unselected tag via the config.h rules, the window will be shifted all the way over to the left side of the screen when the tag is activated. I have all my mplayer windows automatically tagged on

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino > wrote: > > > > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > > person > > who the fuck cares about normal people? > > > -- > # Kurt H Maier > > every application

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Guilherme Lino > wrote: > > > > yeah but the true is that a linux desktop is almost useless for a normal > > person > > who the fuck cares about normal people? > > > -- > # Kurt H Maier > > sorry, every app

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
maybe they are, just like you, a special boy! but lets not talk about that.. in my university we have 700 computer science students if 30 like linux its already to much, if really understand really linux again to much On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Michael P. Soulier < msoul...@digitaltorqu

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 29/10/11 Guilherme Lino said: > maybe they are, just like you, a special boy! but lets not talk about that.. > > > in my university we have 700 computer science students > > if 30 like linux its already to much, if really understand really linux > again to much Sorry, I don't know what you'

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
people are relieved that the linux class is over and they don't have to use it again if in 700 computer science students the great majority says "windows is so cool", "C# is so cool", "visual studio 2010 is the best" and "linux is crap"... thats because at first sight it looks crap! i just asked m

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Guilherme Lino
what you think about this http://acko.net/ (Termkit) something like this better implemented on linux will bring 21 century people into linux basics -- Guilherme Lino

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 29/10/11 Guilherme Lino said: > people are relieved that the linux class is over and they don't have to use > it again > if in 700 computer science students the great majority says "windows is so > cool", "C# is so cool", "visual studio 2010 is the best" and "linux is > crap"... thats because a

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Connor Lane Smith
This thread is demented. On 29/10/2011, Guilherme Lino wrote: > of course for all geeks its great and super cool.. but so many ppl dont know > what it is. And if they know they will not spend time to go from a "normal > responsive with all they need system" to some "unresponsive with lacking > al

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Patrick Haller
On 2011-10-29 01:44, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > This thread is demented... *very* irritating. Trolls have to perform some socially useful function or else we'd all have learned by now. Patrick * yeah, I know it's only October. ;)

Re: [dev] Linux sucks!

2011-10-28 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > maybe they are, just like you, a special boy! but lets not talk about that.. > > in my university we have 700 computer science students > if 30 like linux its already to much, if really understand really linux > again to much condolences on