Re: [dev] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-13 Thread Jorge Vargas
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Jorge Vargas wrote: > can we please remove all the lisp/C talk from this thread. I came here > to see what the dwm folks had to say about go and of course the > remarkable people working on them. And I found a bunch of people that > are not going to convince each o

Re: [dev] [surf] surf-0.3 released

2009-11-13 Thread Jorge Vargas
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: > surf-0.3 is out. There are still some bugs left, but I think it's time > to roll out a new release because there changed a plenty of things: > - changed cookiefile to cookies.txt > - removed urlbar and searchbar using XProps instead >

[dev][ot]quote - suck less philosophy

2009-11-13 Thread Cengiz Tas
hi mates, reading "the cathedral and the bazaar (e.s. raymond)" i come across a nice quote of antoine de saint-exupéry which reflects the philosopy of suck less. i want to share this with you: "perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is noth

Re: [dev] [surf] surf-0.3 released

2009-11-13 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:59:31AM -0600, Jorge Vargas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Enno Boland (Gottox) > wrote: > > surf-0.3 is out. There are still some bugs left, but I think it's time > > to roll out a new release because there changed a plenty of things: > > - changed cookiefil

Re: [dev] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-13 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 03:47:46AM +, Aled Gest wrote: > > C preprocessor is stupid. C macros are ugly and dangerous, except of > > simplest cases. > > I totally agree that the C pre-processor sucks. It's ill thought out > and needs replacing. However, going back to what you were saying about

Re: [dev][ot]quote - suck less philosophy

2009-11-13 Thread Uriel
That quote has been at http://quotes.cat-v.org/ for a long time (it used to be in http://quotes.cat-v.org/programming/ but it is universal enough that i put it with the other non-programming quotes). This also relates to one of the most famous Strunk&White rules. uriel On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Kris Maglione
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 08:38:51PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: because I don't relish the idea of rebuilding them every time. No. In theory you could script it, but it's not a problem in practice because settings are usually stored in initialization scripts. -- Kris Maglione Memory is li

Re: [dev] No rule to make target `/usr/local/lib/libixp.a'

2009-11-13 Thread Kris Maglione
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:04:22AM +0100, Davide Anchisi wrote: Hi, I already posted a similar problem, but as it is still there and don't know how to solve it, here it is. When I run 'make' to compile wmii (hg2590), I get the following error: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/local/

Re: [dev] [OT] [OT]: Go programming language

2009-11-13 Thread Dmitry Maluka
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 03:47:46AM +, Aled Gest wrote: > I totally agree that the C pre-processor sucks. It's ill thought out > and needs replacing. Any proposals? > However, going back to what you were saying about > you being able to subdue Lisp's syntax with macros, any language that > req

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread David J Patrick
Quoting Kris Maglione : On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 08:38:51PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: because I don't relish the idea of rebuilding them every time. No. In theory you could script it, but it's not a problem in practice because settings are usually stored in initialization scripts. DA

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Yannic Haupenthal
David J Patrick wrote: > Quoting Kris Maglione : > >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 08:38:51PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: >>> because I don't relish the idea of rebuilding them every time. >> >> No. In theory you could script it, but it's not a problem in practice >> because settings are usually stor

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread David J Patrick
Quoting Yannic Haupenthal : Hey, I don't get it, what settings do you mean? Settings, how the windows are arranged? yes, how windows are arranged and what's running in them. I can take me a couple of days to get everything arranged just nice, it like the best work-environment I have ever used,

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Aled Gest
2009/11/13 Moritz Wilhelmy : > In lisp, the macros are part of the language and don't hide anything. > The syntax itself is lisp, with all it's parentheses. I'm only going by what Dimitry Maluka was suggesting in his e-mail. I don't see the point of writing complex macros to subdue a language to m

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Mate Nagy
Hello, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 04:22:48PM +, Aled Gest wrote: > Please don't fallaciously assume I don't know anything just because > I'm criticizing a Language you're fanatical about. > I agree, no language can directly accommodate all needs, but if I find > my self wanting to write ugly macr

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Aled Gest
2009/11/13 Mate Nagy : >  please stop posting Why?

[dev] suckless IRC ?

2009-11-13 Thread David J Patrick
where ? djp

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Aled Gest dixit (2009-11-13, 16:27): > 2009/11/13 Mate Nagy : > >  please stop posting > > Why? It's getting very much off topic. If you would care for a pleasant (really) weekend with Lisp, try installing SBCL (a popular Common Lisp implementation) on your OS and have a look at Peter Seibel's g

Re: [dev] suckless IRC ?

2009-11-13 Thread Antoni Grzymala
David J Patrick dixit (2009-11-13, 11:48): > where ? #suckl...@oftc -- [a]

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Yannic Haupenthal
David J Patrick wrote: > Quoting Yannic Haupenthal : > >> Hey, >> >> I don't get it, what settings do you mean? Settings, how the windows are >> arranged? > yes, how windows are arranged and what's running in them. > I can take me a couple of days to get everything arranged just nice, > it like th

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread djp
Quoting Yannic Haupenthal : Hm ok, i get it now ;) I have the same problem, so i wrote in my wmiirc (in the Tagging Rules section): /Firefox.*/ -> 3 /Thunderbird.*/ -> 2 /Pidgin.*/ -> 4 /alsamixer.*/ -> 0 /weechat.*/ -> 4 Ok, looks like I'll have to learn tagging rules next.. And yes, i know

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Yannic Haupenthal
d...@linuxcaffe.ca wrote: > Quoting Yannic Haupenthal : >> Hm ok, i get it now ;) >> >> I have the same problem, so i wrote in my wmiirc (in the Tagging Rules >> section): >> >> /Firefox.*/ -> 3 >> /Thunderbird.*/ -> 2 >> /Pidgin.*/ -> 4 >> /alsamixer.*/ -> 0 >> /weechat.*/ -> 4 > Ok, looks like I'

Re: [dev] [surf] surf-0.3 released

2009-11-13 Thread Jorge Vargas
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:59:31AM -0600, Jorge Vargas wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Enno Boland (Gottox) >> wrote: >> > surf-0.3 is out. There are still some bugs left, but I think it's time >> > to roll out a new release be

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Suraj Kurapati
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David J Patrick wrote: > I can take me a couple of days to get everything arranged just nice, > it like the best work-environment I have ever used, > and if the set-up can't be saved, then there's really no point. Why not suspend/hibernate your machine to the swap

Re: [dev] [surf] surf-0.3 released

2009-11-13 Thread Peter John Hartman
Confirmed. Get the latest webkit. Peter On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Jorge Vargas wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:59:31AM -0600, Jorge Vargas wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: surf-0.3 is out. There are s

Re: [dev] [surf] surf-0.3 released

2009-11-13 Thread Jorge Vargas
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Peter John Hartman wrote: > Confirmed.  Get the latest webkit. Thanks. I'll do that. It will be nice to point that out in the README as it simply says you need the header files. > Peter > > > On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Jorge Vargas wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:52:25AM -0800, Suraj Kurapati wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David J Patrick wrote: I can take me a couple of days to get everything arranged just nice, it like the best work-environment I have ever used, and if the set-up can't be saved, then there's really

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Aled Gest
2009/11/13 Antoni Grzymala : > It's getting very much off topic. That's why it's marked with [OT], and that's why I moved it out of the Go thread. I suspect the objection is more to do with people not liking to hear criticism about things they're fond of. > If you would care for a pleasant > (rea

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread djp
Quoting Suraj Kurapati : On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David J Patrick wrote: I can take me a couple of days to get everything arranged just nice, it like the best work-environment I have ever used, and if the set-up can't be saved, then there's really no point. Why not suspend/hibernate

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Dmitry Maluka
> I don't see the point of writing complex macros to subdue a language to > my taste, when I could just as easily use another language. Why not try Lisp as another language? Macros are not necessarily kludges (though C macros are). They are a tool for code simplification and decomposition. Anothe

[dev] [surf] Download troubles

2009-11-13 Thread Christophe Etcheverry
Hello, I have noticed an annoying problem with the surf initdownload function. When I click on a link to download a file, I get that kind of error: CRITICAL **: void webkit_download_start(WebKitDownload*): assertion `priv->timer == NULL' failed And I get a 0B file in my dl directory.

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-11-13 20:00] Yannic Haupenthal > > &>/dev/null Smells like bashism. Use >/dev/null 2>&1 instead. meillo

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Moritz Wilhelmy
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:43:40AM +0200, Dmitry Maluka wrote: > Now, let's stop this discussion. Or we can continue it under the > perspective of improving the C preprocessor, that's an interesting > subject. +1

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Martin Swift
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 05:25:09PM +0100, Mate Nagy wrote: > please stop posting Please don't. I for one find this discussion somewhat interesting, not the least for the effort to exchange logically sound argumets. It's a refreshing alternative to the empty and useless mud-slinging that all too o

Re: [dev] [OT]: Lisp

2009-11-13 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Aled Gest dixit (2009-11-13, 21:10): > > If you would care for a pleasant > > (really) weekend with Lisp, try installing SBCL (a popular Common Lisp > > implementation) on your OS and have a look at Peter Seibel's great > > introductory (and more) book on Common Lisp: > > > > http://www.gigamonkey

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:31:16PM +0100, markus schnalke wrote: [2009-11-13 20:00] Yannic Haupenthal &>/dev/null Smells like bashism. Use >/dev/null 2>&1 instead. It's actually a csh-ism. zsh does it, too, but I don't think bash does. And it shouldn't work after the first &.

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread djp
Quoting Yannic Haupenthal : I have the same problem, so i wrote in my wmiirc (in the Tagging Rules section): /Firefox.*/ -> 3 /Thunderbird.*/ -> 2 /Pidgin.*/ -> 4 /alsamixer.*/ -> 0 /weechat.*/ -> 4 so this pre-defines where various apps will start ? (yes, I'll read tthe documentation) And ye

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:15:24AM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: I'd pay someone to do it, but there's not a chance in hell I will be able to myself (time and coding skills in short supply) That can certainly be arranged, if it's that important to you. -- Kris Maglione It is hard enough to r

Re: [dev] wmii can save settings on close, can't it ?

2009-11-13 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:47:54AM -0500, d...@linuxcaffe.ca wrote: And yes, i know that Firefox and Thunderbird sucks ;) and we both still use them ! I'm really amazed that anyone uses Thunderbird... So if I may re-iterate, pre-define where apps will open, using the tagging scripts, and th